From today I can call myself an atheist

oldrnwisr

boatbuilder wrote: »

My point is that the theory of evolution is the result of people's lack of belief in something supernatural.

No, evolution is a fact confirmed by observable evidence. The theory of natural selection is an explanation of the mechanism of evolution which is the result of examination of the available evidence.

boatbuilder wrote: »

Once you rule out the supernatural, there is no explanation for the world....hence the popularity of evolution (which has many many many flaws)

You shouldn't confuse naturalism with atheism. Atheism is merely a response to a question. It doesn't say anything about the supernatural.

The popularity of evidence comes from the fact that it has an overwhelming amount of evidence to support it, just like gravity, germ theory etc. etc.

Flaws such as??

boatbuilder wrote: »

If you believe in God, then God's version makes sense. If you don't then its evolution for you. It basically boils down to that.

Wow, what a stunning fail. Evolution is not a contingent part of atheism. You only have to look at Raelians or Buddhism to see that the lack of belief in gods does not automatically imply evolution.

boatbuilder wrote: »

If you believed in God in the first place, you would acknowledge that humans don't and can't know everything about the world and that all we are really doing is scratching the surface with our scientific reasoning.

You don't need to believe in God to make such an elementary acknowledgement.

boatbuilder wrote: »

The world is more complex than we realise and its up to the individual to decide if billions of amazingly complex things exist as a result of chance, or if it was created by God.

Chance?

boatbuilder wrote: »

I respect your right to believe what you want to but if you are wrong, the consequences for you when you die are not good to say the least. For people who believe in God, the consequences for them if they are wrong are nil.

Ah yes, Paschal's wager, the last refuge of the apologist. Paschal's wager fails on every single level, but then so does your overall argument.

wingnut32

boatbuilder wrote: »

Yes, and yes if you don't believe in God. I have a feeling you already knew the answer. Anyhow, its your choice and I genuinely wish you well.

Thats a bit of a contradiction isnt it..lol.

oldrnwisr

oldrnwisr wrote: »

Wow, what a stunning fail. Evolution is not a contingent part of atheism. You only have to look at Raelians or Buddhism to see that the lack of belief in gods does not automatically imply evolution.

You what?

oldrnwisr

bluewolf wrote: »

You what?

Okay, what part of that would you like me to clarify?

Galway K9

Saying that god doesnt exist as fact is just as naieve as saying god exists....There are insufficient facts to actually state "God does not exist or God does exist!"

Come to Agnosticism....the weather is fine!:D

oldrnwisr

oldrnwisr wrote: »

Okay, what part of that would you like me to clarify?

Buddhism precluding evolution. Never heard of it before...?

godanicus

One simple fact is that all the trouble or hardship we have faced as a civilisation is due to religion.!!!

godanicus

godanicus wrote: »

One simple fact is that all the trouble or hardship we have faced as a civilisation is due to religion.!!!

dont be daft

MagicMarker

Galway K9 wrote: »

Saying that god doesnt exist as fact is just as naieve as saying god exists....There are insufficient facts to actually state "God does not exist or God does exist!"

Come to Agnosticism....the weather is fine!:D

Who's saying god does not exist as fact?

oldrnwisr

bluewolf wrote: »

Buddhism precluding evolution. Never heard of it before...?

Okay, sorry bluewolf, I see the confusion now. The examples I cited were not intended as ones which preclude evolution. Rather, an atheistic faith such as Buddhism or Raelism doesn't automatically require acceptance of evolution, contrary to boatbuilder's assertion.

boatbuilder

Everything you have said here is as a result of not believing in a supernatural God, so yes of course your point of view makes sense from a humanistic point of view.
Comments about "fail" etc are a symptom of exactly what I'm talking about...man's reliance on human reasoning (which is not that great) rather than God's supernatural reasoning.

oldrnwisr wrote: »

No, evolution is a fact confirmed by observable evidence. The theory of natural selection is an explanation of the mechanism of evolution which is the result of examination of the available evidence.



You shouldn't confuse naturalism with atheism. Atheism is merely a response to a question. It doesn't say anything about the supernatural.

The popularity of evidence comes from the fact that it has an overwhelming amount of evidence to support it, just like gravity, germ theory etc. etc.

Flaws such as??



Wow, what a stunning fail. Evolution is not a contingent part of atheism. You only have to look at Raelians or Buddhism to see that the lack of belief in gods does not automatically imply evolution.



You don't need to believe in God to make such an elementary acknowledgement.





Chance?



Ah yes, Paschal's wager, the last refuge of the apologist. Paschal's wager fails on every single level, but then so does your overall argument.

MagicMarker

boatbuilder wrote: »

Everything you have said here is as a result of not believing in a supernatural God

So do all people who accept evolution not believe in a supernatural god?

boatbuilder

Dades wrote: »

If the teacher had a Computerized Axial Tomography Scanner he could see the child's brain. Or a baseball bat.

Analogy FAIL.

Which brings me back to the point I made earlier... that non-believers will fall back on science (which cannot be relied on as 100% fact) as a result of their non-belief in any higher power.

boatbuilder

MagicMarker wrote: »

So do all people who accept evolution not believe in a supernatural god?

No, I believe that certain elements of evolution are true, but that the theory has been taken a bit too far.

Turtwig

boatbuilder wrote: »

Everything you have said here is as a result of not believing in a supernatural God, so yes of course your point of view makes sense from a humanistic point of view.
Comments about "fail" etc are a symptom of exactly what I'm talking about...man's reliance on human reasoning (which is not that great) rather than God's supernatural reasoning.

Yet your only way of knowing whether to rely on God's supernatural reasoning is by your own fallible human reasoning. Knowing one's own reasoning is flawed isn't a legitimate reason to trust somebody else's reasoning.

robindch

boatbuilder wrote: »

I believe that certain elements of evolution are true, but that the theory has been taken a bit too far.

Bit too far? How?

MagicMarker

boatbuilder wrote: »

No, I believe that certain elements of evolution are true, but that the theory has been taken a bit too far.

Well if you don't believe that only atheists accept evolution, how can you say that accepting evolution is a result of not believing in a supernatural god? Can you not see that you're contradicting yourself there?

oldrnwisr

boatbuilder wrote: »

Everything you have said here is as a result of not believing in a supernatural God, so yes of course your point of view makes sense from a humanistic point of view.
Comments about "fail" etc are a symptom of exactly what I'm talking about...man's reliance on human reasoning (which is not that great) rather than God's supernatural reasoning.

By all means, feel free to ignore all of my points. Silly me, I thought this was a discussion board.

Reliance on human reasoning eh? Have you demonstrated that there is a God whose reasoning we can rely on?

Comments about fail are a symptom of your own weak arguments btw.

Galway K9

MagicMarker wrote: »

Who's saying god does not exist as fact?

Read the Original Post

MagicMarker

Galway K9 wrote: »

Read the Original Post

Well played sir.

dead one

oldrnwisr wrote: »

Okay, sorry bluewolf, I see the confusion now. The examples I cited were not intended as ones which preclude evolution. Rather, an atheistic faith such as Buddhism or Raelism doesn't automatically require acceptance of evolution, contrary to boatbuilder's assertion.

The confusion is necessary because 'Many Historians believe the philosophy of evolution has important routes to tyrannical empires and ideals such as Nazism, Communism, Uniformitarianism and Humanism. This illustrates its potential influence in our way of thinking as individuals and as a governing society'.

AhSureTisGrand

irishconvert wrote: »

Eh, no it doesn't. Aisha was between 16 and 19 when she was married to the Prophet.

Between 16 and 19? Still makes the Prophet something of a yuss hunter imo

Zillah

dead one wrote: »

The confusion is necessary because 'Many Historians believe the philosophy of evolution has important routes to tyrannical empires and ideals such as Nazism, Communism, Uniformitarianism and Humanism. This illustrates its potential influence in our way of thinking as individuals and as a governing society'.

Ahahahaha

MagicMarker

dead one wrote: »

The confusion is necessary because 'Many Historians believe the philosophy of evolution has important routes to tyrannical empires and ideals such as Nazism, Communism, Uniformitarianism and Humanism. This illustrates its potential influence in our way of thinking as individuals and as a governing society'.

OMG, it's happening again!!!

oldrnwisr

dead one wrote: »

The confusion is necessary because 'Many Historians believe the philosophy of evolution has important routes to tyrannical empires and ideals such as Nazism, Communism, Uniformitarianism and Humanism. This illustrates its potential influence in our way of thinking as individuals and as a governing society'.

Don't you just love Godwin's law?

J_E

I sometimes find atheism hard to cope with. I hate the feeling of having no idea what happens when I die. Sure, you can just say "It's like being asleep forever" but you can't remember being asleep. It's like, how does it feel like to not be conscious? How can I even comprehend that? I stay up at night sometimes worrying about, thinking that maybe I'm not living life as good as I should be, part of me wishing I had religion as a comfort blanket, but I honestly can't go there anymore.

robindch

dead one wrote: »

'Many Historians believe the philosophy of evolution has important routes to tyrannical empires and ideals such as Nazism, Communism, Uniformitarianism and Humanism. This illustrates its potential influence in our way of thinking as individuals and as a governing society'.

Your quote has been stolen from the following christian-aligned website:

http://www.religiousword.com/2011/03/creation-vs-evolution/

For somebody who claims to be a muslim, I have to say that you're much more into fundamentalist christianity than I'd have expected.

And you're not getting this plagiarism thing at all, are you? :rolleyes:

Turtwig

MagicMarker wrote: »

dead one wrote: »

The confusion is necessary because 'Many Historians believe the philosophy of evolution has important routes to tyrannical empires and ideals such as Nazism, Communism, Uniformitarianism and Humanism. This illustrates its potential influence in our way of thinking as individuals and as a governing society'.

OMG, it's happening again!!!

Nah I get reminded of this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

Beruthiel

Cydoniac wrote: »

I sometimes find atheism hard to cope with. I hate the feeling of having no idea what happens when I die. Sure, you can just say "It's like being asleep forever" but you can't remember being asleep. It's like, how does it feel like to not be conscious? How can I even comprehend that?

I don't understand what there is to comprehend. You will return to the same status as before you were born.

I stay up at night sometimes worrying about

You should quit that. It solves nothing.

thinking that maybe I'm not living life as good as I should be.

If you are not happy, change your life until you are.
It really does not matter what you are doing in this life, the most important thing is to be happy.

dead one

robindch wrote: »

Your quote has been stolen from the following christian-aligned website:

http://www.religiousword.com/2011/03/creation-vs-evolution/

For somebody who claims to be a muslim, I have to say that you're much more into fundamentalist christianity than I'd have expected.

And you're not getting this plagiarism thing at all, are you? :rolleyes:

That's why i put "'" a mark in it. The quote has nothing to do with christianity. It is unversal truth. We must accept it ,whether it is from jews site or Christian site or atheist site.

I remember something . Why you don't respond to its contents:D