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Joe Higgins Appreciation Thread

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭later12


    KarmaBaby wrote: »
    The money wasn't taken out of circulation, but a lot of it is leaving the country by other means.
    Yes it is. Money is simply taken out of general cicrulation when banks raise their capital requirements. Money does exit through debt, yes, but that is not the same as 'disappearing'. I would describe disappearing as literally cash gathered into boxes and going into a hole in the ground, serving no regular transactional function, i.e. taken out of circulation. You may have heard this in the news recently in relation to Irish reserves. It is a day to day aspect of what is called fractional reserve banking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    20Cent wrote: »
    If corporate tax rates were increased multinationals will all leave is debatable. Most don't even pay the generous 12%. Haven't seen a statement from him re the top earners in the semi states.

    The examples of dishonesty are just your opinion on how he handled things. He was genuinely against bin charges and even went to jail for it. Where the other protesters were from is immaterial, it is actually an example of him standing up for what he believes in. A racist murder should also be of concern to public representatives of an area.

    Debatable? Of course, but anything is debatable. When multinationals clearly signal that corp tax is a deal breaker in locating, that's when you pay attention and protect that tax and it becomes more significant then debatable.

    Yes, of course they are my opinions. But by pointing out my opinion, you have just given your opinion in reply, so bit of a circle there.

    I am sorry, but the only people saying it was a racist murder was Joe and SP. The murder occurred, within a week, Joe had posters and a rally was set up. No facts were known, the men were arrested and charged within a day or two, the Gardai did not mention race in their interviews. But obviously Sherlock Joe Higgins knows more :rolleyes:

    If Joe was as interested in crimes regarding race or nationality or ethnicity, he would have done the exact same stuff for all the other muders of Irish and non-Irish young men in the area but he has not. Complete hypocrisy and I would actually think the only racism that I saw with that horrific crime is that Joe and the Socialist Party saw a young black man killed and used the race of the victim for their own campaigning and publicity backed up by no evidence or facts. And I ain't the only one who thought that, as I said, the religious leader who was close to the family was publicly disgusted at the tactics too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    KarmaBaby wrote: »
    80% of this is just a repeat of things you've already said but in a slightly different way and the rest amounts to blatant trolling, such asking for references I've already given you, ignoring answers I've already given and misquoting me.

    You haven't brought any new evidence to the table with regard to questioning Joe Higgins' character so if you want this debate to continue then I suggest you get back on topic and start there.
    Endlessly saying "I've answered this already" and accusing me of trolling doesn't address my questions or substantiate your claims.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭KarmaBaby


    I am sorry, but the only people saying it was a racist murder was Joe and SP. The murder occurred, within a week, Joe had posters and a rally was set up. No facts were known, the men were arrested and charged within a day or two, the Gardai did not mention race in their interviews. But obviously Sherlock Joe Higgins knows more :rolleyes:

    If Joe was as interested in crimes regarding race or nationality or ethnicity, he would have done the exact same stuff for all the other muders of Irish and non-Irish young men in the area but he has not..

    I haven't seen any published material on this murder. Can you provide some links please?

    I did find this though. Here is an article Joe wrote on a different West Dublin Dublin murder of one "Wayne Doherty". It was not racially motivated and the man was Irish, which would appear to expose what you're stated above as be complete bull.

    http://www.joehiggins.eu/2009/07/wayne-dohertys-murder-for-working-class-solidarity-against-thuggery/

    And here he writes about the murder of Robert McCartney, again not a racially motivated killing, not even in his constituency and the guy was not an SP supporter.

    http://www.socialistparty.net/pub/pages/socialist004mar05/3.htm

    Joe has also written countless and I mean literally countless pieces condemning the murder of innocents all over the world. He is an anti-war activist and arguably the strongest advocate of human rights in the Dail.

    Despite all this, you specifically only have a problem with him condemning of the murder of a young black man in Dublin. Why might that be?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭BOZG


    The other example. A young man is killed in Tyrellstown a few years ago. It was awful. The Gardai caught the men resp onsible within a day or two, charged them and now awaiting trial. Good result. But no, Joe flies in from Europe and starts politicising the death which even caused the priest who was close to the victims family to publicly show his disgust at what Joe was doing. Joe had put posters up everywhere about this death and even organised a march without even waiting for due process or details of the death to become known. Sickening.

    Ah, nothing like baseless accusations. The truth is actually that Toyosi's family called the demonstration and asked Joe, the Socialist Party and other community activists who are active in the area for assistance in organising it.

    If you'd actually seen the posters being put up in Tyrellstown or the thousands of leaflets being dropped, you would have seen the dozens of young people from Tyrellstown, including Toyosi's friends and family, running around the area putting them up.

    I'd like to see evidence that a priest close to the family showed his disgust at what Joe was doing. At the time, the imam in the community came out in opposition to the march with disgraceful claims that it would cause violence. These claims were clearly proven wrong on the day. Toyosi's mother, along with her family attended the march on the day and Toyosi's father gave his support to it but was not there himself.

    As for claims of it being politicised by Joe, it was actually politicised by the community itself who saw Toyosi's murder as the final straw and spoke out against the racism that they regularly faced. If you bothered to read or listen to the media coverage at the time, you would have seen the stream of stories from right across Ireland about the problems of racism - in schools, from the Gardaí, from state institutions, in society in general. And if my memory serves me correctly, in the same week of Toyosi's death, the TUI published a report on how racism and racist comments were quite widespread in schools. It was inevitable that Toyosi's murder would have political ramifications in those circumstances.


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