Clonmel Thread

KanyeSouthEast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122587031#Comment_122587031

ceepo well said. I actually couldn’t agree more.

pooch90

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122586931#Comment_122586931

Closed the shop in July. The footfall just wasn't there. Plus lots of antisocial behaviour on her doorstep apparently. Stakelums and Fieldmaster came and undercut the **** out of them for the school book scheme too.

Sandor Clegane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122587031#Comment_122587031

Fair enough maybe you no more than me about them, I'm only referring to the new faces I've seen around not the scumbags like the guy who took your bike who I'm sure we all no of by your description, I'm well aware that there are career scumbags around but before I no more I try and give people the benefit of the doubt, actually again today I've seen a fella outside Lidl that I've never seen before…there are going to be genuine people mixed in too I'm sure you're aware of that, I also see a tent pitched outside the highschool of late too.

I personally no people struggling for places to live, rent out of this world, sofa surfing, no places available and yet they can house a heap of immigrants on a whim, that's wrong imo and it just makes things even harder on homegrown people, just makes the situation worse, get your own house in order before taking on others is my point.

Ceepo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122590669#Comment_122590669

Yes there are people struggling and as you say couch surfing and yes rents are very high, but you seem to have moved the goal post some what..

You made a point about helping our own, and I gave examples of how our own are being helped. There are very few sleeping on the streets in Clonmel. From time to time you will see one or two. The vast majority are in accommodation paid for by the state or state agency. People who will never work a day in their lives, I know a few landlords that have been stung by these over the years. Imagine owning an apt, rented to to one of these fine people, paid for by HAP, lad gets jail, hap then refusing to pay as he's in jail, can't be evicted, landlord left with an empty apt and no income. Another had a apt, HSE rented the apt beside his and moved junkie in, now he struggles to rent his place. These are the facts of what's happening,. Another addict in his early 40 living in a old folks council house , ended up in jail, house was taken off him, came out of jail and was put up in the old Fennessy hotel, guess who was paying for that?.

To your point

"yet they can house a heap of immigrants on a whim,"

Where are these immigrants being housed?. Yes they are put up in hotels and centres, but they're not taking anyone's house. Maybe the state should put some of the scrots into the ipas centre as well, and give them the 38.50 instead of paying for their accommodation and also giving them dole. And give the house to some of the people sleeping on couch's.

I do feel genuinely sorry for people stuck in the couch surfing circle, but usually this is a very temporary thing. The vast majority of them are working people for whatever reason are going through hard time, and I'm sure they'll turn things around. If they do find accommodation there is agency there to help them as well. There is plenty of employment around, and lots of opportunities to improve yourself if the desire is there to do it. I'm living proof of that myself. And I've no problem at all trying to help the people that want to be helped.

They idea that the state is doing nothing for our own is frankly BS, people in Ireland don't have it bad really when you look at what's happening around the rest of the world. Ireland a homeless rate 3 x lower per capita then UK and almost half of Finland. Of course that doesn't mean things couldn't be better, of course it could.

KanyeSouthEast

Ceepo facts like that have no place on the internet.

Ceepo

The interesting thing about the 2 cases I mentioned above is, the council were able to evict that lad who went to jail, he got 2 years and the family were willing to pay the rent whilst he was in jail . The private landlord wasn't allowed evict his tennant, even though he was on remanded in custody for a serious crime while waiting for the court case to come up, which meant the place was empty with no income coming in, Cases like this is one of the many reasons why landlords are leaving the rental market in droves,

Woodcutting

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122591867#Comment_122591867

It must be in the council tenancy agreement that they can evict? People who make an effort should be helped but some won't make an effort. They can't be helped or are unable to cooperate with help

Ceepo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122597202#Comment_122597202

Yes I'd imagine that it's in the council tennant agreement, otherwise houses might remain empty to long periods of time. Maybe private landlords should have this stipulated in their contracts as well.

Paddico

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122586765#Comment_122586765

Oh god, here we again.🙄

Sandor Clegane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122597460#Comment_122597460

Even if you don't agree with me on the helping our own part, which is fair enough, as I said maybe you no more than me about said people and I accept that, but we are taking in an unsustainable amout of immigrants ontop of the problems that are already here, and we still have the heywood road to look forward to, you can't tell me it will make the town any better than it is, its bad enough already and adding more people to the mix will make it even worse.

More homeless, more antisocial behaviour, more begging, more drain on resources.

Ceepo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122597535#Comment_122597535

As I said before, you're talking bollox. Where is your evidence? By the way you taking,you'd think that the state is out there actively looking for immigrants. It not, are they immigrants coming here, of course they are. No one is denying that. But when they do arrive here they have to go this process . No doubt that this process could be better quicker and more efficient. Certain people want to label all immigrants as rapist and pedos without a shred of proof.

Where are the "concerned citizens" brigade when volunteers are needed at the soup kitchen?.

You started off by saying we should look after our own first, and I gave multiple examples of how our own are being looked after, and you still come back with, "look after our own". . So here is the question for you, what do you want people to do for our own?. By the way you're taking, you'd think it's look after one and nothing for the rest. That's not how a functioning society works. Maybe you'd be so kind to point us all in the direction where this perfect utopian country that you imagine we should have here is ?. There are many many thousand of immigrants coming to Ireland every year, the vast majority of them are the very doctors, nurse, mechanics, hotel staff that you and me rely on, on a daily basis.

"More homeless, more antisocial behaviour, more begging, more drain on resources"

About 8/10 years ago I done some work in an housing estate in town. One por chap was waiting over 2 years for the council to come up to clean and paint his kitchen after he had a small chip pan fire. He was getting very annoyed about the situation and had to have a joint to calm himself down, before settling down in front of his 60" TV with his slab of cans. And you want to talk about "a drain on resources" 😔. They wouldn't wash the ceiling or walls nevermind buy a tin of paint

Here is an idea, maybe get these begging to actually do work for their handouts, there is plenty of work that could be done around the town and surrounding areas.

A friend of mine lives in The docklands in Dublin, there have been 3 murders and number of serious assaults there in the past few years, most of the victims were of foreign origin, all the assailant were Irish, where is your outrage there. ?. Where are the concerned citizens or the vigilante walking group patrolling the area there.

You better look under the bed tonight the boogie man might be there and get you. .

Some of the immigrants are spending thousands and thousands of euros to trafficking scum to come here for the 38.50 hand outs. Maybe someone should go over an point out the error of their ways..

Sandor Clegane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122598067#Comment_122598067

By look after our own I'm speaking broadly, as in we have an ongoing housing crisis, renting crisis, Hse crisis, I think it would be prudent to make a dent in these issues before stressing the system further by adding more and more people to the mix, how is going to cope with more people when its on its knees already? yes it started as talking about those lads in town, some are career scumbags I've accepted that but what we're talking about is bigger than these locals, its going on all over the country.

If you really believe that the government no everything about all those people coming in then that's your belief, some people believe the world is flat so you're not alone with believing bizarre things, you're talking about a country with a well known history of hookery and **** ups, to think this govt will and can be trusted to manage the influx of people we are seeing is ridiculous in my opinion, we have a gutted Garda force who are basically on their knees at the moment and we also have no military to speak of.

You're bringing in waves of people with radically different beliefs and ethics to the western world and hoping they'll just assimilate into society, its doesn't work and we're going to run into serious problems down the line like other countries have.

Not being concerned about this is stupid, its what fuels far right lunatics, constantly ignoring legitimate concerns from people turns them to these other parties as they give the finger to the status quo, look at what's happening in Germany at the moment.

Its not sustainable.

Ceepo

By look after our own I'm speaking broadly, as in we have an ongoing housing crisis, renting crisis, Hse crisis, I think it would be prudent to make a dent in these issues before stressing the system further by adding more and more people to the mix, how is going to cope with more people when its on its knees already? yes it started as talking about those lads in town, some are career scumbags I've accepted that but what we're talking about is bigger than these locals, its going on all over the country.

Do you honestly think there is anyone in the country that doesn't know that there is a housing/rent or hse crisis. But as I said before, it's not a them or us situation. In '23 Ireland had a net immigration of approx 80k of which 13k were ipas. But the ipas are the problem ?. Throwing money at the hse will not solve the issues with it. It needs top down reform, and unions to back that reform, best of luck with that.

If you really believe that the government no everything about all those people coming in then that's your belief, some people believe the world is flat so you're not alone with believing bizarre things, you're talking about a country with a well known history of hookery and **** ups, to think this govt will and can be trusted to manage the influx of people we are seeing is ridiculous in my opinion, we have a gutted Garda force who are basically on their knees at the moment and we also have no military to speak of.

So now you're calling me a flat earther?. Please show where did I say I believe the government know everything about them. Of course the government doesn't know everything about them, how could they. The reason they are being put up in ipas centers is to find out that information.

Not being concerned about this is stupid, its what fuels far right lunatics,

I would argue that its believes like yours that fuels right wing lunatics.

Iny last post I ask you a few questions, that I note you didn't answer.

1, where is your proof?

2,Where are the "concerned citizens" brigade when volunteers are needed at the soup kitchen?

3, Maybe you'd be so kind to point us all in the direction where this perfect utopian country that you imagine we should have here is ?

4, what do you want people to do for our own?

And I'll add another one, What are you personally doing to help with the issue you raised, apart from waving your fist and shouting at the clouds

Woodcutting

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122598067#Comment_122598067

I'm surprised the council agreed to paint his kitchen ever. I have a friend in a council house and they have to do their own painting. Also she told me chip pans are not allowed.

Ceepo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122601029#Comment_122601029

Yes it was very surprising but I can assure you it happened. The work was part of remedial works by a builder on behalf of the council to I think off the top of my head 56 rooms in various houses that had mould issues. The house in question had mould on some walls in 3 rooms all of which were painted along with the kitchen. To put it mildly, the place was stink.

Another poor soul was giving out that the council wouldn't replace the toilet bowl, after "it just broke". There was a piece about 5" missing of the top rim, and also had no toilet seat... You would nearly feel sorry for the soul as he was recovering from a broken leg at the time, until he was heard saying to his dealer that he could brake his other leg if he didn't pay for the quantity of tablets he order by Monday.

The mind boggles..

Nollog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122601029#Comment_122601029

No chip pans is on my private landlord lease too, it's probably fire-safety related.

Woodcutting

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122601159#Comment_122601159

It is fire safety yes, chip pans are deadly

klose

chips pans, Jesus haven’t heard that one in a while, can you even buy them anymore?

Ceepo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122603886#Comment_122603886

Probably not id imagine. But we are talking pre Air fryer days

awny

just wondering if anyone here has any experience of Gillian O Mahony in Lynchs in family law?

cml387

Impressive new signage at the railway station specifically for the trains.

Of course then there's the old superstitions that Irish stations are always spruced up just before they are closed.

2 fast

Great to see Mani reopen by the staff. Wishing them well.

Though some guy on FB clonmel page seems to be going on about what he knows but saying nothing. Lousy if he's talking nonsense, if there's something just say it.

decies

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122643796#Comment_122643796

which Clonmel page ?

Recliner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122643796#Comment_122643796

Yes, best of luck to them all.

I read the comments that you're talking about. I reckon he's one of these people who likes to think he's in the know, and really knows nothing. He sounds painful.

freshpopcorn

Nothing crazy expensive but a De’longhi toaster was a bit more expensive than the other popular brands but it's the best one we've ever had.

cml387

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122645370#Comment_122645370

I think we're on a crossed line…

freshpopcorn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122646164#Comment_122646164

Wrong thread but I did buy it at DID in The Poppyfields.

Romero

Delete

bmc58

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122603886#Comment_122603886

You can fry chips in any sort of frying pan.

julyjane

Can anyone recommend a good driving instructor for a few good pre-test lessons? Learner has had the 12 edt lessons but could do with a second set of eyes on them as they really need to pass sooner rather than failing and then having to wait and work on it all over again.