Shotgun catridges - 7.5s for hunting

JR79

Just wondering about 28 gramme 7.5s.
What quarry can they be used on. I take it they would be fine for pigeon & crows but not for duck & rabbit.

What would the effictive range be with a double barrel full & half choke.

Thanks

Sparks

Moved to hunting...

Glensman

JR79 wrote: »

Just wondering about 28 gramme 7.5s.
What quarry can they be used on. I take it they would be fine for pigeon & crows but not for duck & rabbit.

What would the effictive range be with a double barrel full & half choke.

Thanks

Fine for rabbit, we use them when ferreting... Your right about duck though.

Full and half I would say your good to 30yards- every shot being different you might get more or less.

JR79

Cheers sparks

landkeeper

depends on choke and range i have shot plenty of all with trap shells both flighting and decoying ferreting and walked up but you have to know the limitations of your gun/shell combination the last thing i shot with 7s was a big dog fox but i wouldn't recomend 7s for fox

Tackleberrywho

JR79 wrote: »

Just wondering about 28 gramme 7.5s.
What quarry can they be used on. I take it they would be fine for pigeon & crows but not for duck & rabbit.

What would the effictive range be with a double barrel full & half choke.

Thanks

You'll take fur off a bunny with them but are not very effective at killing them
No6 34 is a better all round shell in my experience

fathersymes

Clay loads use a harder shot which will not deform to the same extent on live game, will still kill though.

Cass

Glensman wrote: »

Full and half I would say your good to 30yards- every shot being different you might get more or less.

+1.

With a full choke the best effective range would be 30-ish yards. After that the chances of injuring the animal is higher, rather than killing it outright.

I use 7.5s for pigeons, crows, and squirrels when shooting is close. Anything futher i use either Eley 34g 6s, or for a good knock down cartridge Super Express 36g 5's. Unbelieveable stopping power on anything out to and including 60+ (-ish) yards.

Tackleberrywho

+ If you intend eating game much more difficult not to swallow 7.5's over larger pellets too.

prior to owning a rifle I used a shotgun for everything.
Bunny's Birds and clays.

My Fav shell was the old WINCHESTER 6's in a packet that opened like a box of cigarettes.

Today I find Remington 6's a great all rounder, and they cycle really well in a semi

meathstevie

7.5/28g within it's limits should be fine as long is isn't the clay loads with hardened pellets. Not that there's anything wrong with them but they just lack the energy transfer the straightforward lead ones deliver.

meathstevie

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

+ If you intend eating game much more difficult not to swallow 7.5's over larger pellets too.

prior to owning a rifle I used a shotgun for everything.
Bunny's Birds and clays.

My Fav shell was the old WINCHESTER 6's in a packet that opened like a box of cigarettes.

Today I find Remington 6's a great all rounder, and they cycle really well in a semi

Jeezes lad, does Remington have you on a retainer to plug their stuff ??

Tackleberrywho

meathstevie wrote: »

Jeezes lad, does Remington have you on a retainer to plug their stuff ??

I wish

They IMHO are the better constrructed shells in there price band.
The run very consistently for me.

I like Eley Shells too!

tfox

I use 28g 7.5's for most things except duck and high driven pheasants. It's a great allround cartridge for snipe, woodcock, corvids, rabbits, pheasants etc

Tackleberrywho

tfox wrote: »

I use 28g 7.5's for most things except duck and high driven pheasants. It's a great allround cartridge for snipe, woodcock, corvids, rabbits, pheasants etc

I found a lot of squealing bunnies with 7 &1/2's in my early days of shooting.

28's are great for clays as they open fast and wide, but Buggs Bunny needs a lot of pellets to play dead, or bigger harder hitting Pellets

I suppose it depends more so on chokes, if you put full choke and 2/4 you have a different spread

Longranger

A bit light for bunnys IMHO. I'd prefer ELEY super game 5's for them. Keep the 7 1/2's for Woodies and snipe in sept. If you want a good all rounder you'll be hard pressed to beat ELEY supers in 6 32g or remmie shurshot 6 34g. Whatever you do,don't use 7 1/2s for duck! Just my two cents...

JR79

Thanks for the replys.
I suppose Iam just trying to see where I can use the cheaper 7.5s, not to be buying more expensive catridges where I don't need them.
Interesting to see the response about rabbts.Personally I use eley grand prix/maximum no. 5's on rabbits.

cavan shooter

There is a chap I know uses 71/2 in a Browning A5, choked extra full...for what its worth he doesn't miss. I would only use 6s' or 5s' 32g.

fodda

7.5 and above was only ever designed for use on clay targets and i think that may even include 7's as well. Small shot like this does not have the kinetic energy for clean kills except at very short ranges and being as a shotgun is useless after 45 yards with small shot then shooting with 7's and above would have to be very close.

Birdshot was always 4, 5, and 6 with in fact 5's being the universal game shot more or less suitable for most small game/birds. This has been proven and accepted for maybe hundreds of years?

Having heavier loads just means more lead shot in the cartridge and no more power or longer range. This means that at short ranges there is a chance of more shot hitting the target but at a reduced velocity so it is doubtfull there is any gain.

landkeeper

that's your opinion fodda i disagree having spent 30 years shooting and seeing many many good shots who preferred 7s for most shooting as it gives a better pattern
but rather than have a row here read this especially the bit about ft/lbs
http://www.jonathan-spencer.co.uk/Reference/Guns/Shotgun/Ammo/Shotsize.pdf

fodda

landkeeper wrote: »

that's your opinion fodda i disagree having spent 30 years shooting and seeing many many good shots who preferred 7s for most shooting as it gives a better pattern
but rather than have a row here read this especially the bit about ft/lbs
http://www.jonathan-spencer.co.uk/Reference/Guns/Shotgun/Ammo/Shotsize.pdf

Well i can beat you by 10 years not that it means anything.

Down bottom of your page at 5. Ballistics and Striking Velocities is basically what i was saying.

And to add to that before multi-choke guns came out in the mid 1980's game and sporting guns never had full chokes, i think they were mostly 1/4 & 1/2 or 1/4 & 3/4 for the reason mentioned by your link of not "getting the wrath of the cook" through too many pellets in the bird.....which meant that the shot size had to be big enough to do the job with i remember an ideal hit of around 5 shot.

Being as you have been popping away that long you will also remember the time when clay cartridges were plastic wadded and all game cartridges were fibre wads and 7's, 8's, and 9's were plastic wadded.

Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_shot

landkeeper

yes i can but we found after a couple of seasons of decoying, roost shooting and general game shooting that using slightly tighter choked guns and smaller shot sizes ie 7-7.5s gave us less wounded birds as there was a better pattern with less gaps
however i suppose for rough shooting where alot of the shots are at going away birds going up a shot size or two might be no bad thing
i worked for a bloke in scotland 25years ago who used 9s for walked up and driven snipe he seldom missed and some of my best ever duck flighting was with a winchester 101 skeet gun and winchester trap 200s in yank 7.5

fodda

landkeeper wrote: »

i worked for a bloke in scotland 25years ago who used 9s for walked up and driven snipe he seldom missed and some of my best ever duck flighting was with a winchester 101 skeet gun and winchester trap 200s in yank 7.5

Proof that you do not need a full choke for game shooting.....i wish people could understand that. For those who dont know a skeet gun has no restriction on the barrel so no choke at all, what used to be called a "true cylinder" or "improved cylinder".

I remember years ago people used to say that the new (as they were then) plastic wads gave them tighter pattens for their shot, perhaps that's why it became mainstream?

landkeeper

well if you remember the designers of 'plaswads' as they were refered to used to maintain that their wads gave a tighter pattern at a 'given' range as the shotcup kept the pellets together for longer after leaving the barrel
having used both in the same cartridge i agree with them one of my aya's is ic and 1/4 choke gives tighter patterns with plastic wadded 7s than it does with the same shell with fibre wad

fodda

Yes i do "plaswads" .:)

Trouble was we had to pick up after clay shooting and that used to drive us crazy.

Do you remember Baikel cartridges made in the USSR with the flames coming out of your gun:D

landkeeper

the jack of all trade ones with 7,6,5,4,3,1s, and a few bbs thrown in for good measure
do you remember the rottweil ones that were all plastic with no metal head
one of those went through an army and navy sidelock of someone i knew only left the head in the chamber :eek:

fodda

We used to buy 5000 at a time of those for clay shooting, used to cost just a few hundred quid.