few questions about rim fires

adam_newe

hey lads hoping to pick up a 22 lr rim fire soon enough just wondering what type of game can you shoot?

also how much could i pick up a 2nd hand 22 for on a small budget? what would the deadly range be?

and whats the price difference between a centre fire and rim fire? gun and ammo wise

thanks a million for reading

adam

Cass

............. just wondering what type of game can you shoot?

Rabbits, and other small game/vermin. Nothing bigger than a rabbit though. A fox for example would be possible at close range, but over 50-60yards unless shot placement is perfect you will only wound it and not kill it outright.

also how much could i pick up a 2nd hand 22 for on a small budget?

New for everything including scope, rings, monts, case, ammo, cleaning gear you'd be looking at approx €800. Second hand you could pick up everything for about the €400 mark. They can be got cheaper but you may get less in the package.

what would the deadly range be?

Deadly range is somewhat vague/misleading. Any rifle is "deadly" for distances almost unthinkable, even a .22lr. A better description would be the effective range. This is more descript to the rifles ability to cleanly kill your target with minimal to no suffering on the animals behalf. This for a .22 (depending on the animal being shot) would be70 yards. Its possible to shoot further with better shot placement and better ammo. Out ot 120 yards. I would avdise as a newbie to start short and progress as you become more adept with the rifle.

and whats the price difference between a centre fire and rim fire? gun and ammo wise

A centrefire rifle has a primer cap in the base of the shell that when struck by the firing pin ignites the powder and fires the projectile/bullet. It must strike the primer in the centre of the shell base or it will not fire. A rimfire works in the same way, but has no primer cap. Instead the base/rim of the sheel is all a primer containing the priming compound needed to ignite the powder. A strike to any part of the rim will cause the round to fire.



In terms of cost. A rimfire usually starts of cheaper than a centrefire, however for certain models/makes rimfires can exceed the cost of centefires. This occurs up to a certain point whereby rimfire prices "level out" and the price of centrefire rifles continue to rise.

It awkward to explain but try this. A new basic CZ .22lr will cost about €450. A new basic centrefire CZ .223 will cost about €700. The prices for the scopes for each could be the same depending on model. One thing to be careful off is a .22lr has no recoil (to speak off) whereas a .223 has recoil and the scope must be able to deal with the "shunt" of the rifle when fired. So if you paid a €100 for a scope for a .22lr it could work fine for years. Put the same scope on a,223 and it could loose zero, break, etc.

I could go on with similar prices, etc but the choices are so extensive that it would take weeks to ry and cover even most of them let alone all of them.


Also have a read of the Red highlighted notice on the main shooting page. It has all the info you need in relation to licensing, etc.

Tackleberrywho

adam_newe wrote: »

hey lads hoping to pick up a 22 lr rim fire soon enough just wondering what type of game can you shoot?

Rabbits and Foxes. Foxes 60 yards or so head or heart/lung shot.

also how much could i pick up a 2nd hand 22 for on a small budget? what would the deadly range be?

rm €250 up for reasonable condition.

and whats the price difference between a centre fire and rim fire? gun and ammo wise

.22lr from €5 a box 50, .223 €12 box 20

thanks a million for reading

adam

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garv123

check out the for sale/wanted section if you are looking to go second hand.
heres a .22 magnum for sale. better for foxes out to 100 yards.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056231730
heres a beauty of a .22 if you happen to be left handed
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056194903
heres another .22lr for sale
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71239047

basically the .22 is a rabbit gun. anything bigger is strongly frowned upon.

adam_newe

thanks a million lads for all of the advise really appreciate it:)

FISMA

Adam,
I think you should assume that the 22 has a deadly range of 2 miles, 3 to be safe.

That is, if you miss and a shot goes over a hill (which would constitute incredibly bad judgment on behalf of the shooter - loss of license kind of stuff), there had better not be anyone downrange closer than 2 or 3 miles, to be safe.

I believe I remember reading on 22LR boxes where the deadly range was 1.5miles. Considering that is the lawyer induced manufacturer's warning, it is probably overestimated anyway.

The effective range of the 22LR is not much, 150yards max for paper targets, give or take. All of my 22LR shooting is within 100ya, usually less than 50ya.

Bigger centerfire rifles should consider a six mile deadly range.

clivej

Bunny's out to 125yards are very possible with the 22lr, Foxes should never be a target but many lads do shoot them.

Heads shots only at a maximum of 50yards on a fox, remembering that the head shot kill zone on a fox is quite small and never go for the heart/lung on a fox with the 22lr its just not ethical. All hunters want to give a kill shot not a maim shot EVER.

Fermanaghman

I have a new vid here of me bunny busting with a .22 magnum if your interested

www.youtube.com/user/MrFermanaghman

deeksofdoom

adam_newe wrote: »

hey lads hoping to pick up a 22 lr rim fire soon enough just wondering what type of game can you shoot?

also how much could i pick up a 2nd hand 22 for on a small budget? what would the deadly range be?

and whats the price difference between a centre fire and rim fire? gun and ammo wise

thanks a million for reading

adam

I have a .22 Magnum for sale here if your interested

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056241339

Spunk84

You could get a cheap enough .17hmr these days, I have one and shot foxes out to 170yards with a clean kills, with 22 your abit limited on shooting power.did you look at Sportsden.ie ????

poulo6.5

Spunk84 wrote: »

You could get a cheap enough .17hmr these days, I have one and shot foxes out to 170yards with a clean kills, with 22 your abit limited on shooting power.did you look at Sportsden.ie ????

I am sorry but tho op is looking for advise so here I go. A .17 is not going to give you clean kills at 170y maybe an odd time but not all the time even if you are a good shot.
I am speaking from experience.
I had a magnum for a few years and shot plenty of foxes with it but unless you are bang on and no further than 120y you are just going to injure it. I also shoot with a friend of mine with a .17 and he is changing it for a .223 because it is not suitable for foxing.

I now have a .223 for foxing and a .22lr for bunny bashing.

A rim fire is great for small game like rabbits and in some cases an od fox if the opportunity presents it's self and is within range otherwise you are just being cruel.

Spunk84

poulo6.5 wrote: »

I am sorry but tho op is looking for advise so here I go. A .17 is not going to give you clean kills at 170y maybe an odd time but not all the time even if you are a good shot.
I am speaking from experience.
I had a magnum for a few years and shot plenty of foxes with it but unless you are bang on and no further than 120y you are just going to injure it. I also shoot with a friend of mine with a .17 and he is changing it for a .223 because it is not suitable for foxing.

I now have a .223 for foxing and a .22lr for bunny bashing.

A rim fire is great for small game like rabbits and in some cases an od fox if the opportunity presents it's self and is within range otherwise you are just being cruel.

no problem poulo, but as i said ive hit them "out" to 170 yards with clean kills, in saying that it was only one fox at 170yards;) but the rest where anywhere from 40-120 yards or so, same as your friend when i have the moola i will be upgrading to a .223. As for bunnies theres a post here with a rabbit hit at 300yards with a .17

poulo6.5

I don't doubt that a .17 would be able to kill a rabbit at that range if hit right as far as rim fires go it is very good at what it does.
I use a .22 because it can be silenced the best you can hope to do with .22 mag or .17 is quieten them a little.
If sound was not an issue I would have a .17 for rabbit shooting.
Also it's hard to beat .22lr on price per round