league of ireland admission prices

celtictiger32

i was down in tolka last week for the shels v limerick game. (my first game of the season im sorry to admit) and was disappointed to see that shels are still charging 15 euro into the game, personallly i think this price is too high especially for a first division game. i remember reading an article somewhere that bayern munich charge 4 euro into their home and get a full house regularly. im not saying lower the price and you will see the sold out signs down in tolka every week but surely a lower price would attract a lot more into the ground and possibly some of the supporters that dont go anymore because of the said reason (and i know for a fact there is a good few). just putting it out there anyway to see what you think and also curious what the price is at other grounds around the country?......

Fromvert

Bayern Munich tickets are between €30 - €70 for seated, €15 for standing and €5 for blind and disabled people.

€15 seems fair enough to me.

partyndbs

too expensive but its economies of scale kinda, if a club can charge low prices its because they get so many fans that they are able to. irish teams rely so much on the small number of fans so have to charge a higher price

applehunter

€10 to get into Turners Cross.

Anything over €10 for the 1st division is a rip off tbh.

celtictiger32

partyndbs wrote: »

too expensive but its economies of scale kinda, if a club can charge low prices its because they get so many fans that they are able to. irish teams rely so much on the small number of fans so have to charge a higher price

would they not get more through the turnstiles if the prices were lower and in turn maybe a higher revenue overall?

partyndbs

mayb for a team like shamrock rovers but for bohs for example i think it wouldnt make a difference if the price was 5 euro and 15 euro, the same people are gonna go week in week out. just my opinion

celtictiger32

i dont know i know a good few league of ireland fans who were regular attendees at games who just wont pay that money to go to a game some of them through recession reasons and just cant afford it and others just out of protest. imo i think even 10 euro would be a fair enough price for any of the games.

partyndbs

yeah mayb just something i thought. i think a 5er-10er should be the prices.

celtictiger32

Fromvert wrote: »

Bayern Munich tickets are between €30 - €70 for seated, €15 for standing and €5 for blind and disabled people.

€15 seems fair enough to me.

the article may have gotten it wrong with the 4 euro bit, but i know one guy who goes over to germany regularly for games and never pays anywhere near 30-70 he claims any of the games in germany are cheaper than here....

btw is standing sections not illegal now under fifa/uefa laws??

PomBear

Galway United's admissions are Adult admission €12, concession €10, secondary school €5. Family ticket €20, U12s free of charge accompanied.

celtictiger32

at least they are doing some sort of a deal for the kids. i know bohs have contacted my club several times about free passes for the kids teams which i have to commend them on. they also go around the schools with passes too, its a great idea its promoting irish football to the next generation, getting bums on seats and when some of these kids carry on their support when theyre older they start paying their admission, buying jerseys etc

aliveandkicking

It's to do with the price elasticity of demand being so inelastic for LOI attendances. Shels average a crowd of 850ish charging €15. If they were to drop prices to say €10 (33% drop) they would need to increase their average crowd to 1275 (+50% increase) just to breakeven. That is not going to happen. It makes no financial sense to drop prices by 33% and think you are going to get a 50% increase in average attendances to enable you to breakeven.

bohsfan

aliveandkicking has hit the nail on the head there. A club would have to reduce prices for an entire season to really see what effects it had on average attendances.

Margins are so tight these days that a club could go bust if they carried out this experiment and it failed, so its not likely to happen unless attendances naturally go up first. Chicken and egg!

€15 is a bit steep for Div 1 alright...

gustavo

€15 for entry at Sligo Rovers - been the same price for at least 5 years I find it good value

stovelid

I don't think 15 is that bad. Using Germany as an example is disingenuous as it's pretty much a model league for supporters in all respects.

It's a vicious circle for LOI: the players and facilities don't warrant 15 quid but charge less and what's on offer will probably get even worse.

Where prices should be made competitive is in attracting kids (which rovers and other clubs already do) with lower prices and family season tickets.

SEPT 23 1989

I have started bringing my daughter up to Tallaght to watch Rovers and i think its much better value bringing her there than going to the cinema or bowling or anything like that

Boskowski

stovelid wrote: »

I don't think 15 is that bad. Using Germany as an example is disingenuous as it's pretty much a model league for supporters in all respects.

I can't quite follow that. Especially since the better teams in the LOI are probably on 3rd division level in Germany and that's just an eduacted guess, it may not be at that even.

VinylJunkie

partyndbs wrote: »

yeah mayb just something i thought. i think a 5er-10er should be the prices.

What are you basing this on?

stovelid

Boskowski wrote: »

I can't quite follow that..

Read it again.

Pinturicchio

2011 Galway United admission prices:

Adult Ticket: €12

Students and O.A.P's.: €10

Seconday school students: €5

Kids U-12 GO FREE
Kids must be accompanied by an Adult

Family Ticket: €20
2 Adults & 2 Secondary School Students

CiaranC

Anyone who is going to go regularly will have a season ticket, making it far cheaper than 15 quid

celtictiger32

aliveandkicking wrote: »

It's to do with the price elasticity of demand being so inelastic for LOI attendances. Shels average a crowd of 850ish charging €15. If they were to drop prices to say €10 (33% drop) they would need to increase their average crowd to 1275 (+50% increase) just to breakeven. That is not going to happen. It makes no financial sense to drop prices by 33% and think you are going to get a 50% increase in average attendances to enable you to breakeven.

the op mentioned an experiment of reducing prices for a season, i think thats a good idea especially in the 1st division where the likes of wage bills etc wouldnt be too high. i honestly believe that if the price was say 10 euro that your figure of 1275 wouldnt be that far off as i said 15 euro for a first division game is putting people off and maybe that reduction would bring some of these people back to the games

Boskowski wrote: »

I can't quite follow that. Especially since the better teams in the LOI are probably on 3rd division level in Germany and that's just an eduacted guess, it may not be at that even.

i know were not exactly the elite of european football, but german 3rd division??? i dont think so.

DB10

Some people pay alot more to see Ireland these days, and lets be honest they aren't Brazil are they.

The prices are ridiculous especially to see many players who arent up to the levels required for such prices. A tenner is amble amount especially for Div 1.

The FAI though should be lowering their prices which is more important. Or maybe have some sort of budget deal for LOI fans.

Every LOI season ticket holder gets half price for every Ireland game...?

I'm dont have a LOI team btw.

Gillington

I think €15 is fair enough for a premier game,but how long can clubs realistically afford to keep it that? Bump it up to €20 and you'll scare everyone off

stovelid

DB10 wrote: »

Or maybe have some sort of budget deal for LOI fans.
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This exists.

They're called season tickets.

DB10

15 seems quite high to me. Alot of people are living on the dole.

DB10

stovelid wrote: »

This exists.

They're called season tickets.

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I'm saying that LOI fans should get in cheaper to Ireland international games with their club season ticket.

If this deal exists then apologies because I've never heard of it.

Le King

Considering kids get between 10-15 euro pocket money, if that now-a-days. 15 quid is very steep. I presume kids are a 5er or something? What are the incentives for a 14-17 y/o to go?

Quite simply kids from 12 and above being forced to pay adult prices turns people away. Especially when they can get their football feed from their TV and playing it locally.

Sorry but the standard of football isn't going to get a 15 year old out of his house to pay 15 quid to watch it. I imagine a new ticketing pricing policy should be introduced which would allow for the expansion of the LoI. Some of the attendances are quite simply shocking.

stovelid

DB10 wrote: »

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I'm saying that LOI fans should get in cheaper to Ireland international games with their club season ticket.

If this deal exists then apologies because I've never heard of it.

Ah right, I meant LOI games. Misunderstood because the FAI are repsonsible for the league too - not just Ireland.

Don't really care about Ireland freebies to be honest. I would say a lot of the LOI syupport don't either.

The point about cheap LOI tickets is that if you have season ticket - especially a family one - it works out far cheaper than paying in at the gate every week.

Pinturicchio

Le King wrote: »

Considering kids get between 10-15 euro pocket money, if that now-a-days. 15 quid is very steep. I presume kids are a 5er or something? What are the incentives for a 14-17 y/o to go?

Quite simply kids from 12 and above being forced to pay adult prices turns people away. Especially when they can get their football feed from their TV and playing it locally.

Sorry but the standard of football isn't going to get a 15 year old out of his house to pay 15 quid to watch it. I imagine a new ticketing pricing policy should be introduced which would allow for the expansion of the LoI. Some of the attendances are quite simply shocking.

Under 12s are free and secondary school students are a fiver in to Terryland.

stovelid

By the way, am I the only one that gets a pain in my tits with constant lectures on ticket prices and making the league attractive from people that wouldn't go to a game if it was being played beside their back garden with 50 cent admission?

Le King

stovelid wrote: »

Ah right, I meant LOI games. Misunderstood because the FAI are repsonsible for the league too - not just Ireland.

Don't really care about Ireland freebies to be honest. I would say a lot of the LOI syupport don't either.

The point about cheap LOI tickets is that if you have season ticket - especially a family one - it works out far cheaper than paying in at the gate every week.

Probably, but what about those that can't afford a lump sum up front?

In times like these surely LoI should market itself towards a replacement in families previous entertainment. I know that might not wit well having a load of families at the games with the current fans but it could prove successful.

Mongarra

I have a LOI club membership (different from season ticket) but I have never been told that there are discounted tickets available for Ireland games. Am on block booking myself so have never asked the club for an Ireland game ticket but if there is a scheme I will certainly look into it.

Back to the thread topic, the membership gives entry to home games in the league but not the FAI cup as that gate is divided with the away club, but it works out dearer than the season ticket price (About €20 per league game - €360/18 games) . I don't know what the extra cost is for as I am not entitled to any proceeds if, for example, there was a profit (LOL) for the year or if, say, the ground was sold.

Coillte_Bhoy

stovelid wrote: »

By the way, am I the only one that gets a pain in my tits with constant lectures on ticket prices and making the league attractive from people that wouldn't go to a game if it was being played beside their back garden with 50 cent admission?

No one is lecturing. OP just making an observation and who are the pople here who you refer to in yur last line?

stovelid

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

No one is lecturing. OP just making an observation and who are the pople here who you refer to in yur last line?

Do you monitor these threads lall day looking for micro-instances of offence or something? Has the bat-singal already been dispatced to your thanks-buddies?

celtictiger32

stovelid wrote: »

By the way, am I the only one that gets a pain in my tits with constant lectures on ticket prices and making the league attractive from people that wouldn't go to a game if it was being played beside their back garden with 50 cent admission?

if thats in referance to me i said it was my first game of the season but i have been going to loi games regularly for the last 15 years.

Le King

stovelid wrote: »

By the way, am I the only one that gets a pain in my tits with constant lectures on ticket prices and making the league attractive from people that wouldn't go to a game if it was being played beside their back garden with 50 cent admission?

I presume you're referring to the likes of me, who attend most of Kildare County's games in their brief existence until cronyism destroyed the club where people were put in positions who could not perform the task to an adequate ability needed of them. Also lack of basic rules from the FAI gave the club a death sentence from the start. The club was rotten behind the scenes.

Sorry I haven't quite moved on to a new club yet.

stovelid

Le King wrote: »

Probably, but what about those that can't afford a lump sum up front?

In times like these surely LoI should market itself towards a replacement in families previous entertainment. I know that might not wit well having a load of families at the games with the current fans but it could prove successful.

S'true that the lump sum is often a big call all at once alriight. At the end of the day though, there is only so far you can drop the ticket prices. Tallaght for example costs a lot to rent and host matches so dropping the prices too far means you don't make ends meet. I still think tickets (dad and kid, say, cost 22 quid) still compares favourably to a trip to the cinema or elsewhere.

I thinki the current fans would like to see more familes at games. Tallaght is attracting lots of families these days and it's good because it means younger fans coming along outside of the usual generational lLOI fan thing.

@ Tiger and Le King: fair enough, my bad.

Boskowski

celtictiger32 wrote: »

I know were not exactly the elite of european football, but german 3rd division??? i dont think so.

So you think that a LOI team could hold their own in the 2. Bundesliga? Dream on. Would you please have a look at the teams and their budgets and the players involved there? We're talking about teams like Hertha, KSC, Bochum, Aachen, Duisburg, Cottbus, Fortuna, Bielefeld etc. They're all drawing 10 or 15 thousand on a dull day and 40 or 50 thou on a good one with full TV coverage.

To give you an idea:
The lowest ranked 2. Bundesliga team (Ingolstadt) in terms of TV money spread still receives 3.750.000 from the TV deal alone for the 2010/2011 season. That's before any gates and sponsoring and whatnot. Does any LOI team have a turnover like that?
The smallest budget of any 3rd division team in the season before last was 2.8 million by Eintracht Braunschweig.

Look I don't want to offend anyone, really not, I have great respect for the LOI, but it's just not the same playing field at all. German 3rd tier football is professional football, not semi or something, in fact I might think it would actually be worse, over the course of a full season I'd say the very best LOI teams might just about not go under in division 3. Might.

Even teams in the Regionalliga (4th tier) are factually all full time professional setups with 4 or 5 times training a week and 6 and 7 figure budgets.

German football might not be at the very best at the moment when it comes to the very European top level since the financial structures are different (read not so much debt madness) but German football and its league structure has unbelievable depth.

Coillte_Bhoy

stovelid wrote: »

Do you monitor these threads lall day looking for micro-instances of offence or something? Has the bat-singal already been dispatced to your thanks-buddies?

Offended? My thanks buddies?? Dear me, i merely pointed out that no one was lecturing anyone, and anyway the op had in fact attended agame that wasnt in his back garden.

stovelid

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Offended? My thanks buddies?? Dear me, i merely pointed out that no one was lecturing anyone, and anyway the op had in fact attended agame that wasnt in his back garden.

That's good. It's all settled now so on the statiscally remote off-chance that you have someting relevant to contribute to the thread, we're sorted.

stovelid

Boskowski wrote: »

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German football might not be at the very best at the moment when it comes to the very European top level since the financial structures are different (read not so much debt madness) but German football and its league structure has unbelievable depth.

It was actually me that made the orginal point but I didn't mean the football. I don't know much about German football but had had read recently that the supporter experience/prices were relatively low for the facilites and football on offer so was just saying that the price comparison might not be a good example compared to say, England, which would would be our main competitor for the affections of local football supporters.

Coillte_Bhoy

stovelid wrote: »

That's good. It's all settled now so on the statiscally remote off-chance that you have someting relevant to contribute to the thread, we're sorted.

You're in good form today i see. Have a nice evening.

Boskowski

stovelid wrote: »

It was actually me that made the orginal point but I didn't mean the football. I don't know much about German football but had had read recently that the supporter experience/prices were relatively low for the facilites and football on offer so was just saying that the price comparison might not be a good example compared to say, England, which would would be our main competitor for the affections of local football supporters.

I agree price structures are very different to England and therefore here. Thats a valid point. 15 Euro seems highish tho for amateur football which it effectively is in the second tier, right?

Pauleta

A few of my mates who have never really had much interest in Irish football started supporting Bray a few years ago because the season ticket was €100 and still go now. Its great value for Premier Division football. I think the price of most LOI football is ridiculous. Im personally sick of the price i pay to see Shelbourne. If they upped the price next season for Premier Division football i would pick and choose what games i go. Its the princible of the whole thing.

UglyBolloxFace

stovelid wrote: »

a pain in my tits

See your Breast Doctor (Mammarologist is the technical term I think).

leeroybrown

celtictiger32 wrote: »

btw is standing sections not illegal now under fifa/uefa laws??

Nope. For domestic competitions teams just have to comply with their own national associations rules. The Bundesliga allows terracing so long as it complies with their rules. Borussia Dortmund have a 25,000 person terrace for domestic home games.

Gavin "shels"

Boskowski wrote: »

I agree price structures are very different to England and therefore here. Thats a valid point. 15 Euro seems highish tho for amateur football which it effectively is in the second tier, right?

Any idea how much it is into League 2 games?

CSF

stovelid wrote: »

By the way, am I the only one that gets a pain in my tits with constant lectures on ticket prices and making the league attractive from people that wouldn't go to a game if it was being played beside their back garden with 50 cent admission?

A million times yes.

Ebbs

Pauleta wrote: »

A few of my mates who have never really had much interest in Irish football started supporting Bray a few years ago because the season ticket was €100 and still go now. Its great value for Premier Division football. I think the price of most LOI football is ridiculous. Im personally sick of the price i pay to see Shelbourne. If they upped the price next season for Premier Division football i would pick and choose what games i go. Its the princible of the whole thing.

Rovers have theres priced at 220 for adults to 120 for students to 85 for kids.

For argueably the best facilities in the league, and one of the top teams I think its very reasonably priced. Gets you tickets for a Europa League game too.

Pinturicchio

Galway United adult and concession season tickets are €99.

Secondary school season tickets are €59.