Mayo Garda - 'Give me your name and address or I'll rape you'

silverharp

13.30 is the bit that made the news today

http://vimeo.com/21952231

4zn76tysfajdxp

Brief Silence.

whippet

is this supposed to be shocking? From what I heard on the radio this morning it was as if the woman was locked in to a room and threatened with rape unless she gave over her details.

This is a couple of lads in private having a joke .... goes on in every workplace.

But I am sure the woman will be looking for compensation for 'distress', 'harrassment' and everything else under the sun.

The reality is she failed to give details as required. She is in another country and failing to comply with the law of the land. She should be kicked out as soon as possible

Annasopra

whippet wrote: »

is this supposed to be shocking? From what I heard on the radio this morning it was as if the woman was locked in to a room and threatened with rape unless she gave over her details.

This is a couple of lads in private having a joke .... goes on in every workplace.

But I am sure the woman will be looking for compensation for 'distress', 'harrassment' and everything else under the sun.

The reality is she failed to give details as required. She is in another country and failing to comply with the law of the land. She should be kicked out as soon as possible

what? do you actually know the full details of who she Is?

whippet

Johnnymcg wrote: »

what? do you actually know the full details of who she Is?

from what I heard she is a non-national who is here for the sole purpose of protesting.

Annasopra

whippet wrote: »

from what I heard she is a non-national who is here for the sole purpose of protesting.

where did you hear this? or maybe you just made it up?

whippet

Johnnymcg wrote: »

where did you hear this? or maybe you just made it up?

no i didn't make it up. The journalist from the Mayo News who was approached by the protest group (along with the Irish Times journalist) said this morning on Newstalk that the person in question was a non-national who was here as part of a solidarity group against the Shell site.

Judging by the comments made by the Guards in question she is from America. I don't think I need to explain how the Police Force in the US would deal with a non-national who refuses to give their details when requested

Wreck

whippet wrote: »

Judging by the comments made by the Guards in question she is from America. I don't think I need to explain how the Police Force in the US would deal with a non-national who refuses to give their details when requested

Yeah that makes it all ok then, and if she was a Saudi national it would have been ok to stone her.

whippet

Wreck wrote: »

Yeah that makes it all ok then, and if she was a Saudi national it would have been ok to stone her.

what are you on about?

She was arrested for a public order offence. Nothing more nothing less.

She isn't making any accusation of anything improper about the arrest or how she was treated while under arrest.

What was caught on camera was a discussion between the arresting officers in private, it was never meant to be heard by her or anyone else.

It sounds unprofessional, but never was the prisioner's rights in question here.

I detest sensationalist nonsence like this.

Annasopra

whippet wrote: »

what are you on about?

She was arrested for a public order offence. Nothing more nothing less.

She isn't making any accusation of anything improper about the arrest or how she was treated while under arrest.

What was caught on camera was a discussion between the arresting officers in private, it was never meant to be heard by her or anyone else.

It sounds unprofessional, but never was the prisioner's rights in question here.

I detest sensationalist nonsence like this.

it was heard though and its not just unprofessional its joking about violence

gman2k

Johnnymcg wrote: »

it was heard though and its not just unprofessional its joking about violence

And how is a person who has suffered rape meant to feel?
Supposing their local Garda station is the one in question....how would that person feel? walking in there knowing that some Gardai think it's funny talking about raping women.

But have no fear, there will be nothing done against these 'Guardians of the Peace', technicalities will be found, the Garda Union will object, evidence deemed in-admissable etc etc etc etc

merlie

whippet wrote: »

This is a couple of lads in private having a joke .... goes on in every workplace.

How is threatening a vulnerable woman with rape a joke? I would hate to think that this is commonplace in workplaces. For any woman who has been in such horrendous circumstances to hear two men, let alone Garda talking in such a manner, would be simply awful and particularly scary.

I myself would hate to have overheard something like that, and as a victim of assault, when I was younger, I'm really glad that it came to light, as I would hate to think that this kind of behaviour is tolerated.

whippet

in every walk of life people joke about insensitive things, in every job people give out about customers, workmates, family etc .. say things they don't mean, bravado .. what ever you call it.

Unfortunatly this was caught on tape, it does sound unprofessional, and it isn't right or proper, but I don't think it deserves the media hype and condemnation that it has attracted.

Sure even on facebook the word Fraped is close to inclusion in the oxford dictionary, I hear the term 'first touch of a rapist' most evening as football training etc ... it is part and parcel of life but it should be in a public domain, and the fact that the video camera was left on in the garda car is the only reason why we even know about this.

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merlie wrote: »

How is threatening a vulnerable woman with rape a joke?

How is that relevant?

baldbear

If employees have been sacked from jobs in banks, offices etc.
around the country for sending offensive material then why shouldn't the police here face serious disciplinary procedures?

They sould like immature young lads making stupid remarks
but you can't be joking about rape, especially when been recorded and a gaurd.

Shell to sea were handed a brilliant piece of propoganda to beat the gaurds with.

whippet

merlie wrote: »

How is threatening a vulnerable woman with rape a joke? .

she wasn't threatened with rape.

she wasn't privey to this conversation.

she was never intended to hear the conversation

So, from another angle, your a talking to your brother about another sibling when they are not around and you say 'He took my new jacket out with him tonight .. i'll F-in' kill him when he comes home' .. are you actually threatening you murder your brother?

merlie

Mckinley Full Concrete wrote: »

How is that relevant?

I was quoting what Whippet had said. To a woman it may well sound threatening. It depends on the tone in which it was spoken. But really one can't have Garda say such things as they are meant to be people we can go to in our most vulnerable times.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0405/breaking12.html

wandatowell

Sounds to me like one garda is trying to be funny and impress his mate with an immature joke,


Idiots

whippet

merlie wrote: »

I was quoting what Whippet had said. To a woman it may well sound threatening. It depends on the tone in which it was spoken. But really one can't have Garda say such things as they are meant to be people we can go to in our most vulnerable times.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0405/breaking12.html

nothing about rape was said to the woman in question what so ever.

whippet

wandatowell wrote: »

Sounds to me like one garda is trying to be funny and impress his mate with an immature joke,


Idiots

that is exactly what happened.

sink

Every male dominated work place I have ever worked there were sick jokes made about rape, murder, racism, anti-Semitism, anti-disability and all sorts of bigotry. They are pretty much part and parcel of male bonding. Storm in a teacup.

questionmark?

whippet wrote: »

in every walk of life people joke about insensitive things, in every job people give out about customers, workmates, family etc .. say things they don't mean, bravado .. what ever you call it.

Unfortunatly this was caught on tape, it does sound unprofessional, and it isn't right or proper, but I don't think it deserves the media hype and condemnation that it has attracted.

Sure even on facebook the word Fraped is close to inclusion in the oxford dictionary, I hear the term 'first touch of a rapist' most evening as football training etc ... it is part and parcel of life but it should be in a public domain, and the fact that the video camera was left on in the garda car is the only reason why we even know about this.

Saying "i'll rape ya" while in a position of authority such as that of an on duty garda was wrong and misplaced humour. Of course people have a bit of banter at work and the facebook reference would have being ok. But these are people that would be expected to deal with rape victims and tarnishes the image of An Garda Siochana in the good work that they do. Another poster had suggested they get fired as it has happened to others. IMHO a good bollocking off from the super and a writtin warning to go on their record would suffice.

whippet

questionmark? wrote: »

But these are people that would be expected to deal with rape victims and tarnishes the image of An Garda Siochana in the good work that they do. .

it does tarnish their image and does not help their cause dealing with the protester at the Shell site. But this woman who was causing an obstrucion is not a vicitim here whatsoever.

The incident where Eddie Brennan in Tallaght garda station threatend a suspect on tape with being sexually assaulted in Mountjoy is a case worthy of this level of outrage.

droidus

This is pretty offensive, and its not good to think that Gardai are making these kind of jokes about anyone, but it shouldn't really be such a big deal... There is a context here though - the well publicised abuses of power committed by the guards in their policing of the Corrib protests - and this recording certainly illustrates the contempt that the guards have for the protestors, and gives some inkling of the attitudes that have led to the mistreatment of protesters.

Wreck

whippet wrote: »

what are you on about?

Apologies if I misread your post, but you seemed to be intimating that because she is an American national there is a legitimate comparasion so be made to way those arrested in the US are treated to how they are treated here. Outside of that, this is not sensationalism, it's truly disgusting that the Gardai would speak like this on duty, if I were to do so in my workplace I would be at the very least severely reprimanded, and I'm not under any onus to protect and serve the community. It's also very worrying that some people view comments like this as no more than typical banter between males. Summed up well in the thread in AH by Solair.

Solair wrote: »

When you're wearing a Garda uniform, or when you're a teacher, a medical practitioner, a nurse or anyone who is in a position of power, you do not talk like that in any situation.

Even if they were just 'two lads talking sh*ite", it would still be pretty shocking. The fact that they were two gardai on duty means that it's completely unacceptable behaviour.

The other issue is that vulnerable people who have been victims of sexual assault have to rely on the Gardaí to be their first point of contact in a crisis and to deal with often very personal information and accounts of terrible situations. They also have to rely on them to bring prosecutions against their attackers and also to provide protection to victims.

What kind of twisted message does this "lads talking sh*ite" send out about the Gardaí. Do they find rape to be an amusing topic or something?!

Quite honestly, I think this should be dealt with directly by the Minister for Justice. It's that serious!

Also, this is the modern world, recording devices are tiny and should be assumed to be everywhere. You behave appropriately when you're on duty.

Canis Lupus

I'm lost for words on the high horsedness of some people in here.

It was a joke said in private, get over yourselves ffs.

Velvety

It was a joke made in private. No-one was threatened with anything.

I would bet my life that neither Guard would ever make light of an actual case of rape. The reason the joke is funny, is because rape as a punishment for protesting is such an outlandish thing to say.

He is obviously aware it's outlandish. That's why it's funny. That's why it's clearly a joke.

If he had said that she would be executed for protesting, no-one would assume it was anything other than a joke. I'm really saddened at the spin and fuss that's going to be made over this.

Iwannahurl

Invitation to the posters here who think this incident is blown out of proportion and that the Garda officers in question were just engaging in a bit of harmless inconsequential banter.

Off the top of my head I don't know any Mods, in AH or elsewhere on Boards, that are definitely female. But if you do, try making rape-related comments of a similar nature about them. Let's see then whether you avoid being banned for long.

My guess: such tasteless and abusive carry-on might well get you permanently banned from Boards.

Now consider this 'real-life' situation which concerns the clearly unprofessional behaviour of Garda officers. It reveals a lot about their attitudes to their work and to their dealings with the public. I hope they pay an appropriate price for their lack of discipline and professionalism.

jetpack101

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Invitation to the posters here who think this incident is blown out of proportion and that the Garda officers in question were just engaging in a bit of harmless inconsequential banter.

Off the top of my head I don't know any Mods, in AH or elsewhere on Boards, that are definitely female. But if you do, try making rape-related comments of a similar nature about them. Let's see then whether you avoid being banned for long.

My guess: such tasteless and abusive carry-on might well get you permanently banned from Boards.

Now consider this 'real-life' situation which concerns the clearly unprofessional behaviour of Garda officers. It reveals a lot about their attitudes to their work and to their dealings with the public. I hope they pay an appropriate price for their lack of discipline and professionalism.

Grow up you dickhead........
I have never heard such drivel in all my life. You went into your rant without fully understanding the story behind it. Its people like you that should be banned for stupid statements like the one you just made.

[mod: user banned for personal abuse]

pakalasa

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I'm lost for words on the high horsedness of some people in here.

It was a joke said in private, get over yourselves ffs.

I'm sure their wives / daughters etc will find it hilarious too.:mad:

Canis Lupus

pakalasa wrote: »

I'm sure their wives / daughters etc will find it hilarious too.:mad:

I make jokes like that all the time. The entire POINT is that it's OTT intentionally but you have to be careful with the person you're saying it to (one of my friends is a girl and she makes jokes like that herself).

Them having wives and their ability to be professional when FACING the public bears no relation whatsoever to a joke made in private between friends.

I personally hope the garda 'investigating' has common sense and just lets the matter slide so they can get on with their jobs. It's a pathetic attempt to get two gardai in trouble imo.

J77

questionmark? wrote: »

IMHO a good bollocking off from the super and a writtin warning to go on their record would suffice.

A good bollocking for being so stupid as not to ensure the camera was turned off is what they should get.

The woman sounds like a nightmare in fairness. I have no time for most of these protesters, I can only assume since she's american/canadian that she has no standing to even be there or protest the matter.

bigbridge

NUI Status for Templemore i think.

donvito99

Humour is an important part of policing.

I don't think what was said there would in anyway effect how they would deal with women, but the entire public.

This was just banter between a bunch of lads, happens all the time, this time in uniform.

Kersmash

Baha, I laughed my arse off. My friends and I have conversations like this all the time. It's just a few lads having the bant, they weren't actually threatening her with rape, it was a joke that wasn't said infront of her. Ridiculous.

[Jackass]

I think we should withhold judgement on whether or not the rape comment is serious or not until we can get an actual picture of what the girl actually looks like.

Let's not jump the gun here lads.

Grumpypants

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I'm lost for words on the high horsedness of some people in here.

It was a joke said in private, get over yourselves ffs.

But it wasn't in private though was it? They were at work.

Is it too much to ask that the police actually police the country instead of driving around making rape jokes.

finty

Grumpypants wrote: »

But it wasn't in private though was it? They were at work.

Is it too much to ask that the police actually police the country instead of driving around making rape jokes.

so nothing done or said while at work is private?

What has making a bad joke in private while on a car journey got to do with someone doing their job?

Are they mutually exclusive? or am i missing something....


please explain

or is that just more sensationalist nonsense?

silverharp

I must say though my thought at the time was, if I came out with that line at work I'd have a Ricky Gervais awkward silence moment, at the same time storm in a tea cup for sure, its not like a crime was committed.

Grumpypants

finty wrote: »

so nothing done or said while at work is private?

What has making a bad joke in private while on a car journey got to do with someone doing their job?

Are they mutually exclusive? or am i missing something....


please explain

or is that just more sensationalist nonsense?

Correct, something said in public is not private, something said in private is private.

It wasn't said in a private car journey it was said in a Garda car, which is their workplace while they are on duty and in the middle of carrying out an arrest.

Its very simple if you want to make bad jokes in private do it in private, don't do it at work when you are being video'd.

tallaghtoutlaws

Grumpypants wrote: »

It wasn't said in a private car journey it was said in a Garda car, which is their workplace while they are on duty and in the middle of carrying out an arrest.

They weren't carrying out an arrest though. The girl was in a different car. These guys were in a separate car but they took the girls camera in their car as they were also on their way back to the station.

Its very simple if you want to make bad jokes in private do it in private, don't do it at work when you are being video'd.

They had no knowledge that the camera was still on. When they confiscated it they obviously didn't turn it off. So they were not being filmed by anyone.

Correct me if I am wrong though, work or not the car is still private space. If I work in an office it is considered private to workers of said office and company. Any non employees have no right to be there unless invited in. If it was considered public space anyone could walk in and out of it. Same goes for a vehicle.

finty

Grumpypants wrote: »

Correct, something said in public is not private, something said in private is private.

It wasn't said in a private car journey it was said in a Garda car, which is their workplace while they are on duty and in the middle of carrying out an arrest.

Its very simple if you want to make bad jokes in private do it in private, don't do it at work when you are being video'd.

Dude go get the facts straight first

UpTheSlashers

It was actually pretty funny. And before it they could be heard logically talking about incident, potential consequences etc.

James Forde

lastlaugh

bryanjf wrote: »

Hahaha! :pac: I nearly choked laughing at this!*

*Obviously if I was working when I saw this I wouldn't have found it in the least amusing. I definitely would have tut-tutted in fact.

thebullkf

Mckinley Full Concrete wrote: »

How is that relevant?

how is it not

thebullkf

whippet wrote: »

she wasn't threatened with rape.

she wasn't privey to this conversation.

she was never intended to hear the conversation

So, from another angle, your a talking to your brother about another sibling when they are not around and you say 'He took my new jacket out with him tonight .. i'll F-in' kill him when he comes home' .. are you actually threatening you murder your brother?

yeah thats the same:rolleyes:


Garda have a higher duty of care given their position of power.

At best its extremely crude and unprofessional deserving of reprimand.
at worst its a suspendable offence.

Just because he wasn't going to actually rape her doesn't make it any less heinous.
Are you a garda whippet?

If you make a joke in an office,in private and somebody you didn't know was there,actually heard it and was offended, you should be punished.

Simples

thebullkf

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I make jokes like that all the time. The entire POINT is that it's OTT intentionally but you have to be careful with the person you're saying it to (one of my friends is a girl and she makes jokes like that herself).

Them having wives and their ability to be professional when FACING the public bears no relation whatsoever to a joke made in private between friends.

I personally hope the garda 'investigating' has common sense and just lets the matter slide so they can get on with their jobs. It's a pathetic attempt to get two gardai in trouble imo.

hence you're reason for defending it. it wasn't in private....it was while on official duty, fuckin pricks end up giving daycent garda a bad name.

Mike...

Seen Photoshop is already been put to use.....

thebullkf

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

They weren't carrying out an arrest though. The girl was in a different car. These guys were in a separate car but they took the girls camera in their car as they were also on their way back to the station.



They had no knowledge that the camera was still on. When they confiscated it they obviously didn't turn it off. So they were not being filmed by anyone.

Correct me if I am wrong though, work or not the car is still private space. If I work in an office it is considered private to workers of said office and company. Any non employees have no right to be there unless invited in. If it was considered public space anyone could walk in and out of it. Same goes for a vehicle.

consider yourselfcorrected.
its a garda car=workplace=work=private

lastlaugh

It's unfortunate that they were 'caught' on tape.

God knows the Guards have to deal with enough sh!te in their job, I think they are entitled to a bit of 'comic relief'.

"Oh, but they were on duty", "It's so unprofessional" blah blah whinge moan.

Hopefully whoever 'reprimands' them goes easy on them and advises them to check if they are being recorded before they have a bit of banter.