Irish Rail install new boundary along Newcastle/Kilcoole line (Wicklow)

foggy_lad

Pineapple stu wrote: »

The answer is yes,there are too many people using the line as a public footpath.

How many people have been killed or hit by trains on this stretch of the line? Compare that to the cork line or Portlaoise area and it is not needed for safety reasons at all.

Pineapple stu

foggy_lad wrote: »

The permanent way is fine if people are barred access but where there has never been fences then the right of way is created by years of people using different paths and going about their business. This right of way is more powerful than any bits of paper or permanent way Irish rail claim ownership of.

All it will take is for one person to be killed by a passing train for people to sue Irish Rail for not having it fenced off in the first place and blame them on the death.
If i walked across your property every day for a few years it doesnt give me the right of way to do so.

Pineapple stu

foggy_lad wrote: »

How many people have been killed or hit by trains on this stretch of the line? Compare that to the cork line or Portlaoise area and it is not needed for safety reasons at all.

It doesnt matter how many compared to anywhere else, prevention of any future incidents can only be a good thing.

shamwari

foggy_lad wrote: »

The permanent way is fine if people are barred access but where there has never been fences then the right of way is created by years of people using different paths and going about their business.

You are wrong. Years of people crossing the line = years of trespass. How can trespass across a live railway create a right of way?

foggy_lad wrote: »

This right of way is more powerful than any bits of paper or permanent way Irish rail claim ownership of.

And on what basis have you formed this opinion? If this were true then the entire railway could be rendered inoperative in the morning. :rolleyes:

LXFlyer

As I said above much earlier in the thread there has been one further significant change - that is the fact that the new ICR trains are virtually silent when approaching - that in itself means a much higher chance of an accident as people cannot hear trains coming unlike before.

Judgement Day

Nobody here has any thoughts on my comment about the level of trespass on the DART line? I have repeatedly raised the issue with Dick Fearn but to no avail. The fencing, if and when it is installed, is overkill. If Pineapple Face had ever walked in the area he would know that only a fool would chose to walk the rail line in preference to the path. He is on here purely to stir things and behaves in a childish way - i.e. I know something the rest of you don't -...NA, NA,NA....:rolleyes:

-Chris-

Judgement Day wrote: »

If Pineapple Face had ever walked in the area he would know that only a fool would chose to walk the rail line in preference to the path. He is on here purely to stir things and behaves in a childish way - i.e. I know something the rest of you don't -...NA, NA,NA....:rolleyes:

Great, so now we have two childish people in the thread... :rolleyes::)

Judgement Day

-Chris- wrote: »

Great, so now we have two childish people in the thread... :rolleyes::)

Pineapple stu

Judgement Day wrote: »

Nobody here has any thoughts on my comment about the level of trespass on the DART line? I have repeatedly raised the issue with Dick Fearn but to no avail. The fencing, if and when it is installed, is overkill. If Pineapple Face had ever walked in the area he would know that only a fool would chose to walk the rail line in preference to the path. He is on here purely to stir things and behaves in a childish way - i.e. I know something the rest of you don't -...NA, NA,NA....:rolleyes:

This thread is not about the Dart line. Why should anyone trespassing on the dart line have anything to do with you?
Grow up JD, stop throwing the rattle out just because i dont agree with you. The point is there are fools that walk on the tracks all over the country.
Just because i dont agree with you Dave it doesnt mean im here to stir things up so you can bin that old chestnut.
In what way would it be overkill? You clearly have an issue with Irish Rail so no matter what they will do along the network ive no doubt you would conjure up something to complain about.
Its only a fence JD, no big deal and how many times do i have to tell you that i know the area well? so give it a rest with the "If he has walked the area " nonsense.
Hope you have an enjoyable weekend

cjpm

Pineapple stu wrote: »

The public have no right to be lineside unless they are Irish rail staff or working on behalf of Irish rail and have an Irish Rail member of staff with them . Up to 7.5 meters from the rail is Irish Rail property so they can do what they want with it.

I've a query regarding this....

Is it set out in law somewhere?

What if the railway is built in cut with embankments on both sides? Where the fence line is exactly on the middle of the embankment, do they own all the embankment too? I've heard fellas saying that they own 10 feet into the field from the embankment in this case..... Is that right???

Losty Dublin

cjpm wrote: »

I've a query regarding this....

Is it set out in law somewhere?

What if the railway is built in cut with embankments on both sides? Where the fence line is exactly on the middle of the embankment, do they own all the embankment too? I've heard fellas saying that they own 10 feet into the field from the embankment in this case..... Is that right???

The assumption would be that adequate land on the surface was purchased in order to to allow for an embankment or cutting to be made; otherwise they'd have struggled to build the line in parts. A fence isn't essentially going to be on the boundary of the land all the time; some fences are to stop encroachment by people and animals and not just to mark borders while fences may have moved or subsided over time. I don't know of a 10 foot rule but having a distance from an embankment would be common sense stuff.