Foreign nationals in the emergency services?

caseyann

Hey guys i am curious,i remember seeing a article about employing foreign nationals in the Garda and emergency services.
We know they have to be Irish citizens to become any of the above.
But in the Garda they said they were going to recruit foreign nationals.
First i have never seen a Black or Asian or polish or other in any of the above.
Has it not happened?
Second have you ever seen any?
Or is it just a case no one is interested to get in to them here?

Goonerdee

caseyann wrote: »

Hey guys i am curious,i remember seeing a article about employing foreign nationals in the Garda and emergency services.
We know they have to be Irish citizens to become any of the above.
But in the Garda they said they were going to recruit foreign nationals.
First i have never seen a Black or Asian or polish or other in any of the above.
Has it not happened?
Second have you ever seen any?
Or is it just a case no one is interested to get in to them here?

You should check out the Garda facebook page there is a picture of the Commissioner with two or three Oriental women at the passing out parade. At the time I checked, there were some nasty comments by facebookers. I'll have another look and see if I can put the photo link here.

Irishrossoblu

caseyann wrote: »

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First i have never seen a Black or Asian or polish or other in any of the above.

I believe the term African. And yes there are many 'Foregin Nationals' in the Gardai. I have seen a good few Asian Gardai.

starviewadams

Fair few Asian men and women in AGS now(not sure if they're full time or reserve though),have seen a few African lads in the DFB as well.

Eru

Irishrossoblu wrote: »

I believe the term African. And yes there are many 'Foregin Nationals' in the Gardai. I have seen a good few Asian Gardai.

Why because if your black your African? This isn't the US and theres plenty of black people who consider themselves Irish or English etc. Also, outside of the states noone takes any offence by the term 'black'. Dont believe me, ask a black person from Spain, Italy, Argentina or Brazil what they call themselves and the answer will be preto, Negro or nero = Black in Portuguese, Spanish and Italian

as for the op. Plenty of Asians and eastern europeans have joined up but not so many black people. I dont believe they get stick in general but if I was them I would get pissed of being rolled out at every media campaign

caseyann

Goonerdee wrote: »

You should check out the Garda facebook page there is a picture of the Commissioner with two or three Oriental women at the passing out parade. At the time I checked, there were some nasty comments by facebookers. I'll have another look and see if I can put the photo link here.

I saw something of that,i dont think they were becoming Garda,even though i dont get that i know loads of Chinese people who have been here for like over 15 years.
I think they might get a hell of alot of abuse being not Irish looking and even worse if not sounding Irish.
Polish and other EU people would find the same.

Irishrossoblu wrote: »

I believe the term African. And yes there are many 'Foregin Nationals' in the Gardai. I have seen a good few Asian Gardai.

I believe the term would be Black as they might not be Africans.

I have never ever seen anyone who wasnt Irish.

starviewadams wrote: »

Fair few Asian men and women in AGS now(not sure if they're full time or reserve though),have seen a few African lads in the DFB as well.

I havent seen any,i dont think they will be taken serious.

paky

there was once an article on the newspaper about an asian garda who got his jaw broken in ballymun. he was only two weeks on the job and he went on sick leave after

caseyann

Eru wrote: »

Why because if your black your African? This isn't the US and theres plenty of black people who consider themselves Irish or English etc. Also, outside of the states noone takes any offence by the term 'black'. Dont believe me, ask a black person from Spain, Italy, Argentina or Brazil what they call themselves and the answer will be preto, Negro or nero = Black in Portuguese, Spanish and Italian

as for the op. Plenty of Asians and eastern europeans have joined up but not so many black people. I dont believe they get stick in general but if I was them I would get pissed of being rolled out at every media campaign

Its mad but anyone black i know calling them black doesnt make them anyway annoyed or feel like i am being racist.Or else when they say i am white i am going to all up in their face hissy fit.Two can play that game.:D


So you have actually seen people from other ethnicities or races in the Garda?

Goonerdee

caseyann wrote: »

I saw something of that,i dont think they were becoming Garda,even though i dont get that i know loads of Chinese people who have been here for like over 15 years.
I think they might get a hell of alot of abuse being not Irish looking and even worse if not sounding Irish.
Polish and other EU people would find the same.


I believe the term would be Black as they might not be Africans.

I have never ever seen anyone who wasnt Irish.

I havent seen any,i dont think they will be taken serious.

Again, facebook An Garda Siochana Graduation 22nd July 2010, there are Chinese there. I was going to put the link of the picture up but I'm not sure if it would be a breach of TOS.

caseyann

Goonerdee wrote: »

Again, facebook An Garda Siochana Graduation 22nd July 2010, there are Chinese there. I was going to put the link of the picture up but I'm not sure if it would be a breach of TOS.

There was three girls,they look so sweet and cute in their uniforms,just want to pinch their cheeks.
I can not imagine these girls being taken seriously.

caseyann

caseyann wrote: »

There was three girls,they look so sweet and cute in their uniforms,just want to pinch their cheeks.
I can not imagine these girls being taken seriously.

Making stupid comments like that of course you won't. Do you think the same if you see an Irish Garda who looks sweet and cute?

There are loads of different nationalities in AGS. Just because you haven't seen them doesn't mean they are not there. You said that you saw the pic on the official Garda Facebook page and still asked your question.

Goonerdee

Goonerdee wrote: »

Again, facebook An Garda Siochana Graduation 22nd July 2010, there are Chinese there. I was going to put the link of the picture up but I'm not sure if it would be a breach of TOS.

Don't see how it breaches anything with AGS/Facebook/Boards. You're just showing a public image to the public.


But yeah, I have to be honest, I had noticed this before. In all my time, I've never seen a black or non-Irish Garda. Dunno if that's good or bad.

I know AGS can be great at times, and to be fair to them, my local station is starting to look a bit more serious these days with their new Toyota and the cleaning up of the other patrol cars and the RSU Volvo driving through every now and again, etc., but there's a real underlying shoddiness to them that I just love, and I think the Irish people in the uniform adds to it. :pac:

klong

Black GR in New Ross if I remember rightly. Plenty of Eastern European GRs too. Have seen a few Gardaí of Asian extraction.

American Garda (married an Irishwoman I think) based somewhere out Wesht.

herya

Caseyann is always active in xenophobic threads, don't mind him
absolutely there are Asian and I believe Polish Gardai, I've seen them with my own two eyes.

caseyann

foreign wrote: »

Making stupid comments like that of course you won't. Do you think the same if you see an Irish Garda who looks sweet and cute?

There are loads of different nationalities in AGS. Just because you haven't seen them doesn't mean they are not there. You said that you saw the pic on the official Garda Facebook page and still asked your question.

I just saw the pic for the first time,because i looked for the picture now when Goonerdee pointed me in that direction.
My comment was stupid because it was honest?

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't see how it breaches anything with AGS/Facebook/Boards. You're just showing a public image to the public.


But yeah, I have to be honest, I had noticed this before. In all my time, I've never seen a black or non-Irish Garda. Dunno if that's good or bad.

I know AGS can be great at times, and to be fair to them, my local station is starting to look a bit more serious these days with their new Toyota and the cleaning up of the other patrol cars and the RSU Volvo driving through every now and again, etc., but there's a real underlying shoddiness to them that I just love, and I think the Irish people in the uniform adds to it. :pac:

I know i could have sworn they were taking on EU nationals as Garda, over 7 years ago.And yet have never seen one or heard one.

caseyann

klong wrote: »

Black GR in New Ross if I remember rightly. Plenty of Eastern European GRs too. Have seen a few Gardaí of Asian extraction.

American Garda (married an Irishwoman I think) based somewhere out Wesht.

It would be something different and good call and make it easier for translation.

herya wrote: »

Caseyann is always active in xenophobic threads, don't mind him
absolutely there are Asian and I believe Polish Gardai, I've seen them with my own two eyes.

I made the thread :rolleyes:

mikemac

I don't know what the story is now but don't you have to pass an Irish language test?
Or is that done away with?

If we send the Polish recruit out whest the locals may make a fool out of him!

caseyann

feelingstressed wrote: »

I don't know what the story is now but don't you have to pass an Irish language test?
Or is that done away with?

If we send the Polish recruit out whest the locals may make a fool out of him!

I was thinking one thing that is a major issue.I would find the accent barrier even for me with some parts of Ireland, as i am sure some people from other counties find with the Dublin accent.
Friends of mine sit in awe when they hear an accent from Kerry,and ask for translation.I usually reply dont ask me

Condatis

Irishrossoblu wrote: »

I believe the term African. And yes there are many 'Foregin Nationals' in the Gardai. I have seen a good few Asian Gardai.

How is the term African? They are black, therefore the term is black.

Eru

caseyann wrote: »

So you have actually seen people from other ethnicities or races in the Garda?

Work with 2 both Asian. Language barrier on some occasions but like was said, I get that with Cork lads as well

Opening up recruitment was one of the most forward thinking actions I have seen in AGS for a long long time and I personally think any negatives will be far outweighed by the positives.

One barrier or problem will be promotion, both irish and non could play the card "I didnt get promoted because im ......." or "He got promoted ahead of me cause hes ...... and they didnt want to be called racists"

mr.dunkey

ive seen and know of foreign nationals in the ambulance service and have met them in the fire and garda too.

Not many Coloured lads mainly european and americans.

Dunkey

Shield

Please don't use the word "Coloured". It's highly offensive and inappropriate.

caseyann

mr.dunkey wrote: »

ive seen and know of foreign nationals in the ambulance service and have met them in the fire and garda too.

Not many Coloured lads mainly european and americans.

Dunkey

I havent seen any,also i dont think a lot of naturalized Irish citizens or foreign nationals frequent boards.
So i cant even ask them how they are finding working here in garda or emergency services.

Terrontress

I have previously seen a Garda in Dublin city centre that I would describe as 'Chinese' although he could be as Irish as I am. And he could be of Japanese, Taiwanese etc. origin.

mr.dunkey

psni wrote: »

Please don't use the word "Coloured". It's highly offensive and inappropriate.

sorry admin, just that a previous thread people are been refered to as black, i just taught coloured was more PC.

MagicSean

I know four fulltime Chinese members, one fulltime Romanian and one Polish reserve. It's great to have members that know different cultures and languages.

Kewreeuss

Hi Mod,
I never knew 'coloured' was offensive either. Has it got to do with South Africa and aparteid or is it because it draws attention to the fact that it refers to a person who is not white?

source

There were 3 Asian's, a Romanian and an Englishman in my phase going through the college.

Yes there are numerous foreign nationals in An Garda Siochana. No matter what your opinion this is a fact. Get over it.

caseyann

foinse wrote: »

There were 3 Asian's, a Romanian and an Englishman in my phase going through the college.

Yes there are numerous foreign nationals in An Garda Siochana. No matter what your opinion this is a fact. Get over it.

Explain your last part there?

Marsden

Seen an Asian Garda in a patrol car a while ago, had to do a double take as I didn't know there were any non Irish in the Gardai.

Fair play to them, they probably would have to put up a bit of extra stick because of their ethnicity. I have a friend who's every inch what you'd expect from a copper, big cork accent and everything and even he said the initially was getting abuse by little scrots for being a "rookie".

I'd say it would be harder for non Irish.

Beruthiel

caseyann wrote: »

There was three girls,they look so sweet and cute in their uniforms,just want to pinch their cheeks.
I can not imagine these girls being taken seriously.

Your nickname would suggest you're a girl, you should be ashamed for making a comment like the above.
Do you think that size and how you look determines how seriously you'll be taken?
It is ALL in the attitude and follow through. Ever hear of Gráinne Ní Mháille or Queen Maeve?

Bang Bang

During 2010 the number of overseas Paramedic qualifications who gained recognition in Ireland are as follows;

Australia 1
Canada 1
USA 3
Poland 14
Slovakia 1
South Africa 2
Spain 1
Switzerland 1
UK 7

There are already a number of National Ambulance Service Paramedics who's nationalities are from some of the listed countries above.

frozenbanana

There was a polish fella active on boards a while back -ojewriej- he got into AGS.

There is good few polish guards, even more chinese.

stockyboie

why is ireland the only country that allows people born in foreign countries to serve in the police force? Is there a reason for this.

Shield

stockyboie wrote: »

why is ireland the only country that allows people born in foreign countries to serve in the police force? Is there a reason for this.

No it isn't. I was born in Dublin and I serve in Northern Ireland, which is technically foreign soil.

Zambia

stockyboie wrote: »

why is ireland the only country that allows people born in foreign countries to serve in the police force? Is there a reason for this.

Your comment is very misinformed I know several Irish cops here.

Eru

stockyboie wrote: »

why is ireland the only country that allows people born in foreign countries to serve in the police force? Is there a reason for this.

Theres Irish lads working all over the US, Australia, Canada, UK and a few floating around other areas. I even know one lad who left ags and ended up in Singapore.

Also, being born abroad doesnt stop you from being raised in Ireland and being an Irish citizen.

meathstevie

stockyboie wrote: »

why is ireland the only country that allows people born in foreign countries to serve in the police force? Is there a reason for this.

Ireland is an EU country and just like in other EU countries public service and civil service employment is open to other EU citizens once they fulfill objective recruitment criteria.

Dudess

It's mistakenly assumed that "black" is offensive - however, black people themselves use it, and if "black" is offensive, by that logic, "white" is offensive.

mr.dunkey wrote: »

sorry admin, just that a previous thread people are been refered to as black, i just taught coloured was more PC.

You obviously had good intentions but I think black people get annoyed by that term, because white people don't get referred to as "coloured" yet white is a colour.

discus

mr.dunkey, Dudess - I'm sure that soon enough there will be yet another sea change with regards to how we ascribe a black/coloured/african(or caribean) american/dark person.

Of course, it'll be some idiot white fool who decides if it's offensive or not.

Merch

mikemac wrote: »

I don't know what the story is now but don't you have to pass an Irish language test?
Or is that done away with?

If these individuals have fair play, but if they haven't what does that say?

time lord

Approved terms of N.Y.C.I.


Foreign-national
Non-Irish national
Immigrant
Migrant
People from overseas
New communities
New Irish
Minority Ethnic
Minority Ethnic background – this is the favoured term
Ethnic Minority
Cultural minority
Minority language people – people whose first language/mother tongue is not English
Black
Brown – sometimes used by people speaking of themselves but not generally appropriate for others to use
Black and Minority Ethnicities (BMEs) – an official term used by NCCRI and also in UK
Cultural and Ethnic Minorities – a term that consciously includes Travellers who are recognised officially as a cultural minority group in Ireland but not an ethnic minority group


Just though it relevant to the thread.

Zambia

Whats NYCI?

time lord

Zambia wrote: »

Whats NYCI?

National Youth Council of Ireland. I should of said. The list is off
Practical Guidelines for Supporting Interculturalism in Youthwork.
The list is pretty handy.

CharlieCroker

I have worked or presently work with a number of foreign nationals.
In templemore the was one black girl, 3 polish and 5 Chinese and at the moment I work with 2 chinese, 1 pole and one of Libyan decent...oh, and 1 English lad.

That's just my district but I do reckon it's more Dublin-centric as that's where most guards are sent out of the college