Next Call of Duty Wishlist

Magill

hightower1 wrote: »

See your missing the point, while you CAN run around like a tool in all these games attempting shots at shotgun range with a class designed for extreme long range - no other game with a sniper class has such and issue like QS than COD. In fact in an average night of playing I will see at least x2 people in every match QS and yet in any given night I will not see anyone actually using the class as its meant to be - SNIPING.

In fact since MW2 came out I can only recall seeing and being in a few games with what anyone could call actual snipers as opposed to the other games you listed which in any given game you can find multiple people actually using a sniping class for ... shock horror.. sniping! lol.




Who said it was going to ? The thread title is "wishlist" not "post and we'll change COD"



I dont hate sniping in COD, its very difficult, takes a lot of skill and when done right can be a major advantage to a team. ..... the issue is that no one snipes in COD -

Sniper definition again - "A sniper is a marksman who shoots targets from concealed positions or distances exceeding the capabilities of regular personnel. Snipers typically have specialized training and distinct high-precision rifles.

In addition to marksmanship, military snipers are also trained in camouflage, field craft, infiltration, reconnaissance and observation."




lol, I facerape QS tools daily tbh. I mostly run SMGs or ARs so their essentially free XP for me but the thing is it unbalances the game. Example - 6v6 game but x2 people one one team are QS , it leaves that team at a major disadvantage as they are bleeding points.
There in is the issue though, sure they make for easy targets / XP but if I wanted "easy" kills simply for kills sake I'd mod, I dont cause I want a fair, balanced and challenging game.... not one thats littered with people fanny acting trying to use a gun for a completely unintended and opposite purpose leave the game balance in tatters.
I'm sure you'll agree the best COD games are close, hard fought , down to the wire games that really push you... quick scopers do not deliver that.


A prime example of how a class should be used thats not "the norm" would be the riot shield class, when you see them in the field they are doing exactly what the class was designed for.. distraction and breaking through defense points... and likewise when you get them in a game that one player actually adds a lot to the gameplay and flow of that specific match while in most cases for the better. You get those "ah sh*t , lob a nade and try flank" moments when you come across a shield user slowly pacing towards you. You may win or loose the engagement BUT it definitely was fun.

Now thats what a game should be like when a class is used as its intended... "snipers" dont use the class as its intended and as a result dont add to the game like the above example and only serve as free xp which isnt fun at all.


I'll end with a question... Do you find quick scopers difficult to kill? (based on how you are as a player I would imagine not) Do you think they are effective players?That being said... would you like cod littered with people that are easy kills / not challenging or would you prefer more games to come down to the wire more often because the opposition are actually using classes as intended and ether not dragging their team down or giving you a challenge.

From my POV i really dont see any "Quickscopers" in black ops, i see people sniping (or at least trying) that also will turn to quickscoping if its needed... but i've seen probably less than 10 people that are acting the bollox doing 360's and trying to quickscope from half the map away. I think hutch summed it up really well once, quickscoping is not a playstyle... its a tool within a playstyle. I mean even in MW2 i found it rare to see someone doing nothing but quickscoping and acting the maggot, so i think your exaggerating ALOT. Unless its different on the xbox that is.

I dont find it hard to kill "QS'ers" but i also find normal snipers just as easy to kill, you can outsnipe a sniper on pretty much every map bar a couple of spots, with an AR.

I might post a sniping gameplay of mine up, when i snipe i play quite agressively, not really "Quickscoping" but up in your face with fast shots. A good player playing that way is far more effective than sitting back getting easy kills every so often.. because im not only killing the other team im also capping flags and playing the objective.

I dont have a problem with people quickscoping(talking more MW2 here), even when playing on my own it doesnt really bother me because most of the time my team SUCKS.. no matter what guns they're using. I've had games where i've got 40+ kills in TDM and the rest of my team are under 5... none of them are sniping.

hightower1

Magill wrote: »

From my POV i really dont see any "Quickscopers" in black ops, i see people sniping (or at least trying) that also will turn to quickscoping if its needed... but i've seen probably less than 10 people that are acting the bollox doing 360's and trying to quickscope from half the map away. I think hutch summed it up really well once, quickscoping is not a playstyle... its a tool within a playstyle. I mean even in MW2 i found it rare to see someone doing nothing but quickscoping and acting the maggot, so i think your exaggerating ALOT. Unless its different on the xbox that is.

I dont find it hard to kill "QS'ers" but i also find normal snipers just as easy to kill, you can outsnipe a sniper on pretty much every map bar a couple of spots, with an AR.

I might post a sniping gameplay of mine up, when i snipe i play quite agressively, not really "Quickscoping" but up in your face with fast shots. A good player playing that way is far more effective than sitting back getting easy kills every so often.. because im not only killing the other team im also capping flags and playing the objective.

I dont have a problem with people quickscoping(talking more MW2 here), even when playing on my own it doesnt really bother me because most of the time my team SUCKS.. no matter what guns they're using. I've had games where i've got 40+ kills in TDM and the rest of my team are under 5... none of them are sniping.

See I dont play BOPS at all, bored me to tears tbh so its MW2 all the way for me on the 360. Maybe the ps3 is just a diff community playing but I honest cannot recall any match where someone with a sniper class didnt run round attemping to qucikscope. In contrast I cant recall actually seeing anyone snipe except for wasteland and wehn you get a good sniper on wasteland we all can attest to the impact that has on a game. I love when that happens, its a really nice challange trying to stay out of the sight lines and flank. A hell of a lot more fun than the continual stream of 1v1 encounters with people 10meters away with an intervention trying to quickscope... a simple sidestep left /right and a few rounds for an easy kill. There is no rush or thrill to that and its completely boring when you come accross multiple people in a row doing it.

I was playing afghan last night. Its arguably one of the best maps for actuall sniping yet the ENTIRE opposing team was quick scoping... suffice to say the match was a walk over for my own team but was about as entertaining as the firing range level at the start of the campaign.
- run, run, run... sidestep, shoot, kill.... run, run, run... sidestep, shoot, kill... rinse and repeat" urgh. As the match went on one by one they stopped acting about and just switched to AR classes but by that stage it was way too late for them to win or make the match intresting.

If even a small number of people attempted to actually snipe it may be worth having the class but as it is next to no one does. All the class serves to do these days is result in games like the one above and thats why I would love to see it removed.

Alas, like we know... it wont be. All I can hope for is that they make quick scoping impossible in MW3.

GEasy

QSing in CSS ain't bad ? That game need to get rid of snipers too ? It is known to be a horribly unbalanced game anyway . It's no good nerfing snipers in COD , maps aren't layed out / big enough for some one to hold a vantage point for sniping for any considerable amount of time . It's easy to snipe as you described in BF because the maps are huge . QS is a bit of fun anyway and I can easily hold my own . I'm not one of those who won't resort to 'hard scoping' if needed either . I just want the kill

callaway92

introduce a Juggernaut killstreak

hightower1

LakesKeane wrote: »

QSing in CSS ain't bad ? That game need to get rid of snipers too ? It is known to be a horribly unbalanced game anyway . It's no good nerfing snipers in COD , maps aren't layed out / big enough for some one to hold a vantage point for sniping for any considerable amount of time . It's easy to snipe as you described in BF because the maps are huge . QS is a bit of fun anyway and I can easily hold my own . I'm not one of those who won't resort to 'hard scoping' if needed either . I just want the kill

Sigh, see this is the problem..... quick scopers like yourself dont understand sniping at all. No sniper in any way would stay in one position for any serious length of time let alone try to "hold" it. You take one or two targets and move to a new spot (preferably with sight lines that incorporate possible ways to your old spot so you can take out people assuming your still there - also a good tip to booby trap your last known position also) while still effectual covering other open sections of ground.

So if you dont understand sniping and the maps themselves arent conducive for sniping why in the name of god is the class in there still? Designers would be better off add a shotgun class with a one hit kill shotgun with huge range but slow reload seeing as thats how quick scopers seem to play..... now imagine pitching that new class to a design meeting, you'd be laughed out of the room for coming up with a class that would have a horrible effect on the balance of matches.

Seems like the developers are just too cockless to actually get rid of the class altogether. Bottom line is the class is not used as intended by 90% of the people selecting it, for those who try the maps are not designed (mostly) for the skill of actual sniping and when the class is used it only serves to upset the balance of the game.

Magill

Yeah Lakes !!!! YOU QUICKSCOPER !!! LOL

Jesus hightower, im not even going to argue with you anymore because it would be pointless. You obviously have absolutely no clue what your talking about, and clearly have no idea what quickscoping actually is and the difference between being an agressive sniper and some 5 year old zirgrizz fanboy.

GEasy

You take one or two targets and move to a new spot (preferably with sight lines that incorporate possible ways to your old spot so you can take out people assuming your still there

Those tatics just don't run in COD with killcams and silencers stopping one shot kills (except headshots) etc. . Far too easy for the person killed to switch to a sniper class quickly and get a revenge kill.

The game isn't supposed to be ultra realistic, realistic =/= fun.

Designers would be better off add a shotgun class with a one hit kill shotgun with huge range but slow reload seeing as thats how quick scopers seem to play..... now imagine pitching that new class to a design meeting, you'd be laughed out of the room for coming up with a class that would have a horrible effect on the balance of matches.

These are the guys that came up with NUKES ffs! They could turn a match on it's head by someone camping yonks from an objective! The shotty you described is the SPAS btw

I think BF is what you're after really. Snipers can play the way you seem to want them to play. As Magill said, not everyone who snipes in CoD is a Grizz wannabe, they annoy me as much as the next person.