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    #2672
    The Lost Sheep
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    Munster u19s beat connacht 23-13 tonight


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    #2673
    Clareman
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    Under 18 Club and Schools teams named

    https://www.munsterrugby.ie/domestic_news/munster-u18-clubs-and-schools-named/


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    #2674
    Hands Like Flippers
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    under 18 rugby in connacht, Munster, leinster is played with age eligibility date as July 1st not January 1st like the under 13 to 17 grades.
    So it's under 18.5...

    Why did it change?


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    #2675
    Hands Like Flippers
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    Anyone see any of the u18 games today?


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    #2676
    The Lost Sheep
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    Friend saw some of the Munster leinster clubs game. Wasnt able to go myself as was travelling. Should be able to go to some of the next rounds.

    Didn't think Munster were great. Leinster quite impressive


    https://www.irishrugby.ie/2019/08/17/u18-mens-interprovincial-festival-round-1-results/


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    #2677
    The Lost Sheep
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    Hands Like Flippers wrote: »
    Why did it change?
    Imagine clubs see change will get more playing


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    #2678
    Quin_Dub
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Imagine clubs see change will get more playing

    The main reason is too bridge the gap to U20 ( which is actually 20.5 too) and to Adult.. with U18 you had players that were still 17 years old at the start of the season meaning they couldn't play junior rugby until potentially the new year as you have to be over 18 years old to play Adult rugby.


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    #2679
    Garfin
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    Hands Like Flippers wrote: »
    Why did it change?
    Club rugby is 18.5 July 1st in Connacht so players don't get caught in no mans land where they are too young for adult rugby but too old for U18. The rep sides are Jan 1st for all the teams U16, U17, U18, U19.


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    #2680
    Hands Like Flippers
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    [quote="Garfin;111014356" The rep sides are Jan 1st for all the teams U16, U17, U18, U19.[/quote]

    So is the connacht team playing interpro u18. 5 or u18? I'm thoroughly confused lol


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    #2681
    Quin_Dub
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    Hands Like Flippers wrote: »
    So is the connacht team playing interpro u18. 5 or u18? I'm thoroughly confused lol

    The Rep sides are all Calendar year.

    The club competitions are now at 18.5 everywhere except Ulster


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    #2682
    Garfin
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    Hands Like Flippers wrote: »
    So is the connacht team playing interpro u18. 5 or u18? I'm thoroughly confused lol
    As above all the Connacht youth teams(U16,17,18,19) are 1st of Jan 2020, as are all the club cup and league grades with the exception being U18.5 boys and girls for the reasons previously referenced.


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    #2683
    The Lost Sheep
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    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    The main reason is too bridge the gap to U20 ( which is actually 20.5 too) and to Adult.. with U18 you had players that were still 17 years old at the start of the season meaning they couldn't play junior rugby until potentially the new year as you have to be over 18 years old to play Adult rugby.
    the birding gap to 20snisnt helping more clubs field at 20s or keep players interested as beyond a few city clubs no clubs play regular under 20 rugby through season in Munster.
    Connacht doesn't have a league at 20s but still has been blitz style competitions for clubs at u20 grade past few seasons.
    Hands Like Flippers wrote: »
    So is the connacht team playing interpro u18. 5 or u18? I'm thoroughly confused lol
    its not that confusing..
    All rep sides in Ireland are calender year playing off January 1st eligibility criteria
    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    The Rep sides are all Calendar year.

    The club competitions are now at 18.5 everywhere except Ulster
    crazy that we cant get all provinces to have same system.


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    #2684
    Quin_Dub
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    the birding gap to 20snisnt helping more clubs field at 20s or keep players interested as beyond a few city clubs no clubs play regular under 20 rugby through season in Munster.
    Connacht doesn't have a league at 20s but still has been blitz style competitions for clubs at u20 grade past few seasons.

    I'd agree - The U20 competitions (excluding Leinster) are generally a mess as there are simply not enough clubs fielding teams.

    In Munster you have 50-60 clubs fielding teams in the Munster Cup/Plate/Bowl competitions at U18.5 each year , but at best about a dozen fielding teams at U20. That's a huge drop off.

    There was a proposal to shift Youths to U19 and scrap the U20 level in Munster entirely.

    That would bring the competition back under Youth Rugby and might help keep players playing immediately after they leave school , but it was rejected.

    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    crazy that we cant get all provinces to have same system.

    Ulster are always different , Junior cup is U15 there , U16 everywhere else as well.


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    #2685
    The Lost Sheep
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    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    I'd agree - The U20 competitions (excluding Leinster) are generally a mess as there are simply not enough clubs fielding teams.

    In Munster you have 50-60 clubs fielding teams in the Munster Cup/Plate/Bowl competitions at U18.5 each year , but at best about a dozen fielding teams at U20. That's a huge drop off.

    There was a proposal to shift Youths to U19 and scrap the U20 level in Munster entirely.

    That would bring the competition back under Youth Rugby and might help keep players playing immediately after they leave school , but it was rejected.
    there is too much focus of some clubs having to be at top table in 20s. And then all senior clubs in cities at that level and not wanting to be in a second division and many rural clubs simply wont be able to compete with the cons etc at 20s so then dont field. 10 Years ago there was strong division 2 for clubs like kilfeacle, nenagh, dolphin,
    Moving back to 19s isnt the answer
    Getting more one off blitz days and putting them into a series would be a step forward
    Ulster are always different, Junior cup is U15 there , U16 everywhere else as well.
    I know. But isnt it u15.5....


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    #2686
    Garfin
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    https://www.connachtrugby.ie/two-changes-to-connacht-u19-team-for-visit-of-leinster/
    Connacht U19s named for tomorrows game with Leinster.

    CONNACHT U19s v LEINSTER, 2.30pm 21st August 2019 @ The Sportsground
    1. Conal O’Griofa (Corinthians RFC)
    2. Eoin DeBuitléar (Corinthians RFC)
    3. Alan Duffy (Ballina RFC)
    4. Cathal Fleming (Monivea RFC)
    5. Darragh Murray (Buccaneers RFC)
    6. Diarmuid McCormack (C) (Corinthians RFC)
    7. Gavin Meagher (Roscrea RFC)
    8. Donnacha Byrne (Sligo RFC)
    9. Aodha Hession (Creggs RFC)
    10. Cian Treacy (Ballinasloe RFC)
    11. Rory McCleane (Corinthians RFC)
    12. Cathal Forde (Corinthians RFC)
    13. Shane Jennings (Ballinasloe RFC)
    14. Hubert Gilvarry (Sligo RFC)
    15. Conor O’Shaughnessy (Galwegians RFC)
    16. Matthew Earley (Carrick RFC)
    17. Caolan Hopkins (Ballina RFC)
    18. Cian Scanlon (Corinthians RFC)
    19. Martin Fallon (Buccaneers RFC)
    20. Hubert Costello (Corinthians RFC)
    21. Harry Ballsiger (Buccaneers RFC)
    22. Luke Hogge (Sligo RFC)
    23. Diarmuid Kilcommins (Corinthians RFC)


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    #2687
    realhorrorshow
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    Connacht 7-0 up with 20 minutes played on a rotten day in Galway.


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    #2688
    realhorrorshow
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    7-0 at half time. An individual effort from Shane Jennings the difference between the sides. Connacht were winning the vast majority of collisions but Leinster seemed to be turning the tide somewhat in the last 10 minutes or so.


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    #2689
    Garfin
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    realhorrorshow wrote: »
    7-0 at half time. An individual effort from Shane Jennings the difference between the sides. Connacht were winning the vast majority of collisions but Leinster seemed to be turning the tide somewhat in the last 10 minutes or so.
    Delighted with that news Shane is a special player, this game was always going to be a big ask especially after the contrasting fortunes at the weekend. Hopefully they will be able to sustain their competitiveness in the second half.


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    #2690
    realhorrorshow
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    7-7, try for Osborne was too easy.


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    #2691
    realhorrorshow
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    14-7, Jennings again.


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    #2692
    realhorrorshow
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    Try for Soroka under the sticks, 14-14. Connacht 18 in the bin.


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    #2693
    realhorrorshow
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    14-17


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    #2694
    Garfin
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    realhorrorshow wrote: »
    Try for Soroka under the sticks, 14-14. Connacht 18 in the bin.
    He is a quality player saw him last year in UL U18s Interpros and he was the standout player.


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    #2695
    realhorrorshow
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    Great effort from Connacht to go through 20+ phases and win a penalty on halfway. Concede a penalty for a technical infringement from the resulting lineout, game over.


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    #2696
    realhorrorshow
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    Garfin wrote: »
    He is a quality player saw him last year in UL U18s Interpros and he was the standout player.

    Connacht dealt with him very well for the most part, stopped him on the gainline and/or forced a knock on a few times. He was still clearly the most powerful forward on the pitch though and demonstrated that on numerous occasions.


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    #2697
    ClanofLams
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    Garfin wrote: »
    Delighted with that news Shane is a special player, this game was always going to be a big ask especially after the contrasting fortunes at the weekend. Hopefully they will be able to sustain their competitiveness in the second half.

    Excellent all around athlete it seems. Man of the match in the All Ireland minor hurling final last year at full back. Diarmuid Kilcommins was very good too. Hopefully hurling’s loss is Connachts gain.


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    #2698
    realhorrorshow
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    ClanofLams wrote: »
    Excellent all around athlete it seems. Man of the match in the All Ireland minor hurling final last year at full back. Diarmuid Kilcommins was very good too. Hopefully hurling’s loss is Connachts gain.

    Has he committed to rugby? He's definitely a top prospect.


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    #2699
    ClanofLams
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    realhorrorshow wrote: »
    Has he committed to rugby? He's definitely a top prospect.

    I don’t know for sure but I was talking to someone involved in Galway hurling who was lamenting his loss and said he hadn’t played a game of hurling since final last year so think rugby is his priority currently.


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    #2700
    Locke_Lamora
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    The Ulster v Munster game wasn't the greatest display of rugby but I thought Munster were the better team and were unlucky to lose. Both teams tried to keep the ball when playing into the wind, but Munster were much more effective at it, and were able to essentially build phases the whole way up the pitch. Tbh, I don't think anyone really stood out, but both centres threatened half breaks every so often, and the no. 8 was strong and looked dangerous when the Ulster defence weren't set and ready for him. Munster's defence wasn't great in the short periods where Ulster were able to raise the intensity.

    Ulster will be disappointed with their performance despite getting the win. Don't want to be too negative about individual performances - but from a team perspective, the line speed was slow, easy tackles were missed and Munster were never troubled at the breakdown which allowed them to walk up the pitch (I think the only turnover they won was to win the game). Suspect kicking and inexcusable knock-on's were other problem areas. On a more positive note, I thought the no. 7 and no. 2 put themselves about in attack and defence, with the hooker setting up Ulsters second try with a break from the halfway line into the 22 after a strong hand-off and an offload to the scrumhalf.

    Bad conditions, a lot of work on's for both teams.


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    #2701
    Hands Like Flippers
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    Locke_Lamora wrote: »
    The Ulster v Munster game wasn't the greatest display of rugby but I thought Munster were the better team and were unlucky to lose. Both teams tried to keep the ball when playing into the wind, but Munster were much more effective at it, and were able to essentially build phases the whole way up the pitch. Tbh, I don't think anyone really stood out, but both centres threatened half breaks every so often, and the no. 8 was strong and looked dangerous when the Ulster defence weren't set and ready for him. Munster's defence wasn't great in the short periods where Ulster were able to raise the intensity.

    Ulster will be disappointed with their performance despite getting the win. Don't want to be too negative about individual performances - but from a team perspective, the line speed was slow, easy tackles were missed and Munster were never troubled at the breakdown which allowed them to walk up the pitch (I think the only turnover they won was to win the game). Suspect kicking and inexcusable knock-on's were other problem areas. On a more positive note, I thought the no. 7 and no. 2 put themselves about in attack and defence, with the hooker setting up Ulsters second try with a break from the halfway line into the 22 after a strong hand-off and an offload to the scrumhalf.

    Bad conditions, a lot of work on's for both teams.

    I take it this was the u19 game?


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