Thank God he's not PRO anymore

Torlac

Keeping in mind we are hosting the World Handball Championships in 2012 and the possibility of it being included in the Olympics handball players and fans should be glad to see the back of this gombeen :mad:

http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/drop-the-gaas-deadwood-declares-angry-lynch-149061.html

keane2097

Find it hard to disagree with a lot of what he said there tbh.

The "ego trip for a small number of people" line rings pretty true.

folan

keane2097 wrote: »

The "ego trip for a small number of people" line rings pretty true.

i would agree, except its always been the GAAs job to promote this small sport to more people. they, and him, failed doing exactly what he is is suggesting in the article.

How many handball alleys have been built and promoted recently? hell, id never heard of it before 5 years back.

Torlac

well they have a big development going on at Croke Park at the min.
maybe he's sore about the money being spent on it.

keane2097

Torlac wrote: »

well they have a big development going on at Croke Park at the min.
maybe he's sore about the money being spent on it.

He probably is sore, I don't think he's particularly trying to hide the fact.

keane2097

folan wrote: »

i would agree, except its always been the GAAs job to promote this small sport to more people. they, and him, failed doing exactly what he is is suggesting in the article.

How many handball alleys have been built and promoted recently? hell, id never heard of it before 5 years back.

Well it depends.

Are these products that are worth promoting? If a game is to be pushed by the association it ought to be on some sort of merit.

I'm not convinced that something like rounders deserves to have any of the other games' money syphoned off into its promotion.

h2005

folan wrote: »

i would agree, except its always been the GAAs job to promote this small sport to more people. they, and him, failed doing exactly what he is is suggesting in the article.

How many handball alleys have been built and promoted recently? hell, id never heard of it before 5 years back.

Two in my town although one was by locals alone

Torlac

h2005 wrote: »

Two in my town although one was by locals alone

deadly, where is that btw?

h2005

Torlac wrote: »

deadly, where is that btw?

Moycullen, Galway

nice_guy80

There are over 150 handball clubs in the country apparently.

That doesn't sound like a small minority sport to me

keane2097

nice_guy80 wrote: »

There are over 150 handball clubs in the country apparently.

That doesn't sound like a small minority sport to me

It depends on how you measure it. The clubs thing is pretty vague.

Numbers playing it would be a more sensible metric, which could be pretty easily compared against other sports.

Torlac

it would be easy to compare but not an accurate reflection.
minimum 15 on a team as opposed to max of 2 in handball

keane2097

Torlac wrote: »

it would be easy to compare but not an accurate reflection.
minimum 15 on a team as opposed to max of 2 in handball

That's really not an issue at all.

Ash.J.Williams

Torlac wrote: »

Keeping in mind we are hosting the World Handball Championships in 2012 and the possibility of it being included in the Olympics handball players and fans should be glad to see the back of this gombeen :mad:

http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/drop-the-gaas-deadwood-declares-angry-lynch-149061.html

what will they call handball if it's "being included in the olympics"?

Torlac

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

what will they call handball if it's "being included in the olympics"?

Depends on which version gets in.
The "one-wall" handball is very popular. They could always it by court size.

Correct me of i'm wrong but is the other game of handball actuall called Olympic Handball ?

Ash.J.Williams

Torlac wrote: »

Depends on which version gets in.
The "one-wall" handball is very popular. They could always it by court size.

Correct me of i'm wrong but is the other game of handball actuall called Olympic Handball ?

i'm sure in the olympics it's just called "handball"

folan

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

i'm sure in the olympics it's just called "handball"

it is. Interesting question.

hatz7

Torlac wrote: »

Keeping in mind we are hosting the World Handball Championships in 2012 and the possibility of it being included in the Olympics handball players and fans should be glad to see the back of this gombeen :mad:

http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/drop-the-gaas-deadwood-declares-angry-lynch-149061.html

What makes him a gombeen? I read the article, nothing out of the ordinary, he has an opinion and he aired it.

I'm not sure at all, if what he said was true, but it wouldn't surprise me if what he said was true.

Grudaire

hatz7 wrote: »

I'm not sure at all, if what he said was true, but it wouldn't surprise me if what he said was true.

There's a lack of facts and figures from the whole thing - it is hard to get anything concrete from the whole thing. It's hard to take the article seriously when he is so vague when it comes to hard facts.

Breaking it down I'd be surprised how much the "peripherals" cost the core GAA games. I don't see any money being pumped at rounders in any significant amount, similarly for handball. As a handball player I'd like to point out that it's not free to play.
Before I would even take the article seriously I'd love if someone posted stats on any of the following:

• Central GAA money subsiding Handball/Rounders/Scór
• Central GAA Time/Effort on the "peripherals"
• Irish Language 'Quangos' (Note that GAA Clubs ar now required to have an Irish language officer - This is a voluntary, unpaid role)

This article is no more than the usual me-féin-ism that you see from every organisation. Just because he's given extra air time doesn't mean he should be!

btw: I agree completely with him on the sponsorship - The GAA should be allowed to accept their sponsorship money without the hastle

Mardy Bum

The financial statement by from the Handball council is up. GAA Grants from 2010 amounted to €227,000. I fail to see how this is some colossal amount of money that needs to be curved. It is a fifth of the Irish Sporting Council's 'Games Development Grant' which the GAA received in 2009 which amounted to €1,187,000.

The new 'Handball Centre' which may not even be built is also going to house a whole floor of GAA admin offices so this is not purely a kind hearted donation from the GAA. It will also be the GAA first direct input into the infrastructure of the game in decades.

This man has a chip on his shoulder.

keane2097

Mardy Bum wrote: »

The financial statement by from the Handball council is up. GAA Grants from 2010 amounted to €227,000. I fail to see how this is some colossal amount of money that needs to be curved. It is a fifth of the Irish Sporting Council's 'Games Development Grant' which the GAA received in 2009 which amounted to €1,187,000.

The new 'Handball Centre' which may not even be built is also going to house a whole floor of GAA admin offices so this is not purely a kind hearted donation from the GAA. It will also be the GAA first direct input into the infrastructure of the game in decades.

This man has a chip on his shoulder.

I would have thought a fifth was a fairly massive proportion in the circumstances no?

Mardy Bum

keane2097 wrote: »

I would have thought a fifth was a fairly massive proportion in the circumstances no?

The figure does not include Hurling which received 1,115,000 alone as part of their Sports Council grant in 2009. This is just the Sports Council grant which is only a tiny drop in the GAAs income. Link to GAA financial report


This is the only grant they receive. Club teams spend over that in their budget easily every year.
To put it into perspective turnover by the GAA in 2009 was €50.8 with profits at 21.5 million surely a tiny bit of this can be spent on promotion of the minority sports.
Sure it is not even much more than Christy Cooney's wage.

keane2097

Point well taken, ty for the clarification.

yahoo_moe

Poor form to say that the GAA shouldn't try to tackle rural isolation... it mightn't be their key responsibility but I think it's a great initiative and would like to see more effort put behind it, not less.

hatz7

Cliste wrote: »

There's a lack of facts and figures from the whole thing - it is hard to get anything concrete from the whole thing. It's hard to take the article seriously when he is so vague when it comes to hard facts.

Breaking it down I'd be surprised how much the "peripherals" cost the core GAA games. I don't see any money being pumped at rounders in any significant amount, similarly for handball. As a handball player I'd like to point out that it's not free to play.
Before I would even take the article seriously I'd love if someone posted stats on any of the following:

• Central GAA money subsiding Handball/Rounders/Scór
• Central GAA Time/Effort on the "peripherals"
• Irish Language 'Quangos' (Note that GAA Clubs ar now required to have an Irish language officer - This is a voluntary, unpaid role)

This article is no more than the usual me-féin-ism that you see from every organisation. Just because he's given extra air time doesn't mean he should be!

btw: I agree completely with him on the sponsorship - The GAA should be allowed to accept their sponsorship money without the hastle

If the 'peripherals' have a greater influence in the power structure of the GAA than their numbers merit, then its only right that this issue should be highlighted. I had never heard that argument before, but if offers food for thought.

Your talk of hard facts and figures is meaningless, when one considers we are talking about the GAA here. I am not trying to be smart, I am being deadly serious.

It is logical that the GAA should stick to its core sports. Hurling and Football,male/female. I'm not saying its right, but it is logical.

Why don't those other groups stand on their own two feet
Maybe as DL argued, those peripheral sports are ego trips for a small group of individuals, who wouldn't have an interest in leading a national organization of, for example, rounders, separately from the GAA.

Maybe it is time for a divorce, the GAA cannot be expected to commit itself to so many different sports/groups and deliver strong results across all codes.

And as importantly, would it not be in the interests of rounders et al to have their own separate national organizations that would focus specifically on their own codes?

I would argue that the article is deserved of far more consideration than you wish to admit.

I'm glad we all agree that the GAA should not have any hassle regarding sponsorship.

Grudaire

Given that you're just supplying words I'd like to emphasise that my point stands - there has been no evidence to show that Central GAA money, or time/effort is being disproportionally spent on the "peripherals". Untill I see that there's plenty of REAL problems to be dealt with.


Also, another thing I'd just like to point out is that it's poor form for people to use the term "peripherals". It achieves nothing more than being a divisive use of language that will get peoples backs up against a wall.
The GAA is the GAA - every bit of it is the GAA. CLG is the GAA, GAA Handball is the GAA, etc etc. People like to think that it's made of seperate entities, but I think we should view it as an entity that plays several sports.
Dividing the GAA isn't really the solution, and indeed it would be questionable as to would get the honour of keeping the name! :pac: But seriously the current structure of the GAA means that only two codes (namely Hurling and Mens Football) come under central GAA rule. Handball etc all have their own Ard Chomhairle and staff, and as such take care of themselves.

Why can't we work together to keep players within the GAA - different sports suit different people.

PS: If you go to the GAA website (namely this page: http://www.gaa.ie/about-the-gaa/publications-and-resources/0/0/1/ ) You can see some hard facts and figures in the annual report.

hatz7

If there is any money at all being spent that is not directly related to Hurling& Football (male + female) then, That would be the grounds for arguing that the other codes should remove themselves from under the umbrella of the GAA.

I used the term peripherals because that was the term used in the previous post. There isn't (although should be) a font or whatever to denote the sarcasm of that previous poster.

The argument about the naming rights of the organization is weak and can be considered no more than mere parish politics.
The 'why can't everyone just get along' argument can be answered by stating that the core sports are not being maximized to their full potential because of the influence of other codes within the top tier of power in the organization.
It is quite illogical for 1 sporting body to be in control of so many different codes.The delivery of service is negatively effected.
Kinda like the HSE in a way, too big, too broad, no accountability, impossible to get anything done or changed.

Grudaire

hatz7 wrote: »

If there is any money at all being spent that is not directly related to Hurling& Football (male + female) then, That would be the grounds for arguing that the other codes should remove themselves from under the umbrella of the GAA.

But then you have to question where the money comes from. It's not like the GAA as an organisation doesn't get any money for promoting several sports. Don't make an argument if you can't be arsed clicking a link (that I kindly provided) that will give you the basis for that argument.

Various grants recieved by the GAA: nearly €4million (approx €3mill from the sports council of Ireland)

~ €60,000 given to Scór and "Costaisí Cultúrtha" from central GAA funds where roughly the same amount was granted by the Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs in 2010)

~*€230,000 given to the "peripherals" Liathróid Láimhe and Chluichí Corr (against the €3mill granted by the sports council)

So in summary - WTF are you on about?

hatz7 wrote: »

The argument about the naming rights of the organization is weak and can be considered no more than mere parish politics.
The 'why can't everyone just get along' argument can be answered by stating that the core sports are not being maximized to their full potential because of the influence of other codes within the top tier of power in the organization.
It is quite illogical for 1 sporting body to be in control of so many different codes.The delivery of service is negatively effected.
Kinda like the HSE in a way, too big, too broad, no accountability, impossible to get anything done or changed.

And yet the GAA is by far the most effective sporting organisation in Ireland. Why change what works?

hatz7

Cliste wrote: »

But then you have to question where the money comes from. It's not like the GAA as an organisation doesn't get any money for promoting several sports. Don't make an argument if you can't be arsed clicking a link (that I kindly provided) that will give you the basis for that argument.
Various grants recieved by the GAA: nearly €4million (approx €3mill from the sports council of Ireland)
~ €60,000 given to Scór and "Costaisí Cultúrtha" from central GAA funds where roughly the same amount was granted by the Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs in 2010)
~*€230,000 given to the "peripherals" Liathróid Láimhe and Chluichí Corr (against the €3mill granted by the sports council)
So in summary - WTF are you on about?
And yet the GAA is by far the most effective sporting organisation in Ireland. Why change what works?

Ah your getting bitter now!! bless ya.

What I am arguing is that 'Influence' within the decision making structure of the GAA is an important issue that should be debated.

Now your reluctance to speak of influence, such as the type that DL mentioned, is making me think that, maybe he is onto something.
DL argued that the other codes have too much influence within the GAA.
Maybe they do, because, if this is how a handball player (you) engages in public debate, then it makes me wonder how that handball leader would act when sitting at the top table in the decision making process.

I do not take any figures that happen to be released from the GAA with anything other than a good laugh. I am a no expert, but I am of this land, and I know that it is best to take those figures with a pinch of salt.

Your last sentence is most illuminating, why change what works?
DL wouldn't have spoken out it everything works.
In fact everything quite clearly doesn't work, if the other sports are neglected so bad, why would ye even want to stay with the GAA???????? answer that.

Analogy.(I don't even know if that's the right term)
GAA= big abusive daddy
Other sports= poor defenseless wife + kids

Ye are not being treated right with daddy spending all the wages on booze (football) and fags (hurling)

best option for ye?????????????????????????????????????????????????
Leave, no doubt, stand on yer own feet, get yer own acts together and pursue a happy life.

Yes the first step of separation, is the toughest, but then you will settle down again, return to normality and then grow!

Read the last post again and you may get a better understanding of what I was trying to get across.
I have an awful feeling that there must be some personal or family HSE link there somewhere...

Now, no more of that language outa you either.

So in summary, what are you on about?

Mardy Bum

hatz7 wrote: »

Ah your getting bitter now!! bless ya.

What I am arguing is that 'Influence' within the decision making structure of the GAA is an important issue that should be debated.

Now your reluctance to speak of influence, such as the type that DL mentioned, is making me think that, maybe he is onto something.
DL argued that the other codes have too much influence within the GAA.
Maybe they do, because, if this is how a handball player (you) engages in public debate, then it makes me wonder how that handball leader would act when sitting at the top table in the decision making process.

I do not take any figures that happen to be released from the GAA with anything other than a good laugh. I am a no expert, but I am of this land, and I know that it is best to take those figures with a pinch of salt.

Your last sentence is most illuminating, why change what works?
DL wouldn't have spoken out it everything works.
In fact everything quite clearly doesn't work, if the other sports are neglected so bad, why would ye even want to stay with the GAA???????? answer that.

Analogy.(I don't even know if that's the right term)
GAA= big abusive daddy
Other sports= poor defenseless wife + kids

Ye are not being treated right with daddy spending all the wages on booze (football) and fags (hurling)

best option for ye?????????????????????????????????????????????????
Leave, no doubt, stand on yer own feet, get yer own acts together and pursue a happy life.

Yes the first step of separation, is the toughest, but then you will settle down again, return to normality and then grow!

Read the last post again and you may get a better understanding of what I was trying to get across.
I have an awful feeling that there must be some personal or family HSE link there somewhere...

Now, no more of that language outa you either.

So in summary, what are you on about?

You should see a doctor about that chip on your shoulder.
You don't trust the figures which the GAA publish yearly? Good man :rolleyes:. No one is complaining about the lack of money being spent. The GAA gives a small grant yearly to the different organisations compared to what it takes in profit over the course of the year from all of its activities.

What person is exerting their influence on the GAA negatively?

hatz7

Mardy Bum wrote: »

You should see a doctor about that chip on your shoulder.
You don't trust the figures which the GAA publish yearly? Good man :rolleyes:. No one is complaining about the lack of money being spent. The GAA gives a small grant yearly to the different organisations compared to what it takes in profit over the course of the year from all of its activities.

What person is exerting their influence on the GAA negatively?

oh your way too late to be entering into this, go back to the start of the thread, read, if you have a brain, engage with it.

What point did you try to make with your post?

see a doctor lol

Mardy Bum

hatz7 wrote: »

oh your way too late to be entering into this, go back to the start of the thread, read, if you have a brain, engage with it.

What point did you try to make with your post?

see a doctor lol

If you can't understand my posts on this thread already, I'd advise you to put a little thought into them instead of insulting everyone.

All you are doing is spouting repetitive ill-informed rhetoric without facts. You were presented with the financial records of the GAA which you seemingly dismissed. You are claiming influence in the GAA from those who are involved in periphery organisations also, who are they and what makes their influence negative? They may be very talented people. Are they fraudulent in some way?

I don't expect you to answer these points as they already have been put to you and all you seem to do is avoid them and insult other posters.

Grudaire

hatz7 wrote: »

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Well I could argue against shadows, but I'd rather not!

hatz7

Mardy Bum wrote: »

If you can't understand my posts on this thread already, I'd advise you to put a little thought into them instead of insulting everyone.

All you are doing is spouting repetitive ill-informed rhetoric without facts. You were presented with the financial records of the GAA which you seemingly dismissed. You are claiming influence in the GAA from those who are involved in periphery organisations also, who are they and what makes their influence negative? They may be very talented people. Are they fraudulent in some way?

I don't expect you to answer these points as they already have been put to you and all you seem to do is avoid them and insult other posters.

I dismissed the financial figures but also stated a reason for doing so.

Now you said "You are claiming influence in the GAA from those who are involved in periphery organisations also, who are they and what makes their influence negative? They may be very talented people. Are they fraudulent in some way?"

I did not say any of the above. If you understood (which lets face it, you did not)the post I had written, its clear that I suggested that DL may have been correct in what he said in the article

The final line of my post was a copy and paste job from the previous poster Mardy Bum who began her post to ME with 'see a doctor lol'

YOU who have avoided giving any answer to the questions I raised.
In all your posts you have not made any reference to DL, That just makes me think that maybe he is onto something.

insult other posters?
Your not worth insulting..

Mardy Bum

hatz7 wrote: »

I dismissed the financial figures but also stated a reason for doing so.

YOU who have avoided giving any answer to the questions I raised.
In all your posts you have not made any reference to DL, That just makes me think that maybe he is onto something.

Lets look at your reason for dismissing the figures

I do not take any figures that happen to be released from the GAA with anything other than a good laugh. I am a no expert, but I am of this land, and I know that it is best to take those figures with a pinch of salt.

Your reason is invalid. You are 'no expert... but of this land', come on thats not a reason. The figures are reciprocated in the other accounts of the organisations which receive money from the GAA. These accounts are audited.

You start off by saying :

I'm not sure at all, if what he said was true, but it wouldn't surprise me if what he said was true.

Various people replied to you but you refuse to listen to any of the arguments given re. Financial statements, the structure of the organisations, etc.

Now you said "You are claiming influence in the GAA from those who are involved in periphery organisations also, who are they and what makes their influence negative? They may be very talented people. Are they fraudulent in some way?"

I did not say any of the above. If you understood (which lets face it, you did not)the post I had written, its clear that I suggested that DL may have been correct in what he said in the article

But you have said this constantly and all you talk about is influence:

The 'why can't everyone just get along' argument can be answered by stating that the core sports are not being maximized to their full potential because of the influence of other codes within the top tier of power in the organization.

Whats the difference in what I said and what you said? 'Core sports not being maximised because of involvement of those from periphery sports' is exactly the same as what I said. Who is this phantom person who is influencing the GAA? I have answered your questions about influence.

This thread is about the article why would I reference him when this is exactly what the thread is about.

The final line of my post was a copy and paste job from the previous poster Mardy Bum who began her post to ME with 'see a doctor lol'

Where exactly do say 'lol'. I implied you have a chip on your shoulder.

insult other posters?
Your not worth insulting.

:rolleyes:

FYI bolding your posts does not strengthen your argument, it makes it look like you are in secondary school.

hatz7

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Lets look at your reason for dismissing the figures
Your reason is invalid. You are 'no expert... but of this land', come on thats not a reason. The figures are reciprocated in the other accounts of the organisations which receive money from the GAA. These accounts are audited.
You start off by saying :
Various people replied to you but you refuse to listen to any of the arguments given re. Financial statements, the structure of the organisations, etc.
But you have said this constantly and all you talk about is influence:
Whats the difference in what I said and what you said? 'Core sports not being maximised because of involvement of those from periphery sports' is exactly the same as what I said. Who is this phantom person who is influencing the GAA? I have answered your questions about influence.
his thread is about the article why would I reference him when this is exactly what the thread is about.
Where exactly do say 'lol'. I implied you have a chip on your shoulder.
:rolleyes:FYI bolding your posts does not strengthen your argument, it makes it look like you are in secondary school.

Dearest Lady,
I am satisfied that my contribution to this thread was positive.I didn't gain anything substantial from it, you didn't answer any queries or questions you were just pushing your own agenda. Your point blank refusal to engage in meaningful debate has therefore closed this thread.

Slan

Mardy Bum

I see you can't even read my post or engage in debate. Terrible troll!

Ignore/

Dionysus

Torlac wrote: »

Keeping in mind we are hosting the World Handball Championships in 2012 and the possibility of it being included in the Olympics handball players and fans should be glad to see the back of this gombeen :mad:

http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/drop-the-gaas-deadwood-declares-angry-lynch-149061.html

Good thread idea. There are so many aspects of our natives sports which have already been "forgotten" - the Tailteann Games spring immediately to mind - that I think they should make that extra effort for handball, rounders and the like. They add greatly to the richness of our sporting heritage.

Above all else, the GAA should be promoting hurling, though.

ArmaniJeanss

Torlac wrote: »

Keeping in mind we are hosting the World Handball Championships in 2012 and the possibility of it being included in the Olympics handball players and fans should be glad to see the back of this gombeen :mad:

Whats this about? Is there any actual real possibility of it being included in the Olympics? My gut feeling would be that a game played in tiny pockets in a handful of countries wouldn't have a snowballs chance of becoming an Olympic sport.

Which is not to say it wouldn't be as deserving of a place as say Archery or GrecoRoman wrestling, but they have the key advantage of being Olympic Sports already. I thought all new sports were going to be mass appeal sports (like Tennis, Golf etc).

Mardy Bum

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Whats this about? Is there any actual real possibility of it being included in the Olympics? My gut feeling would be that a game played in tiny pockets in a handful of countries wouldn't have a snowballs chance of becoming an Olympic sport.

Which is not to say it wouldn't be as deserving of a place as say Archery or GrecoRoman wrestling, but they have the key advantage of being Olympic Sports already. I thought all new sports were going to be mass appeal sports (like Tennis, Golf etc).

http://gaahandball.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1084:historic-progress-in-handball-olympic-bid&catid=34:news-archive

The article in the link above should clarify things for you. It is being played at the World Games in 2013 which is the platform where games are 'tested' before entry into the Olympics. It is 1 wall handball which will be played not the 4 wall game. 1 wall is huge in NY, take a look at the vid- http://vimeo.com/15605950

Torlac

hatz7 wrote: »

Why don't those other groups stand on their own two feet
Maybe as DL argued, those peripheral sports are ego trips for a small group of individuals, who wouldn't have an interest in leading a national organization of, for example, rounders, separately from the GAA.

Maybe it is time for a divorce, the GAA cannot be expected to commit itself to so many different sports/groups and deliver strong results across all codes.

And as importantly, would it not be in the interests of rounders et al to have their own separate national organizations that would focus specifically on their own codes?

hatz7 wrote: »

Analogy.(I don't even know if that's the right term)
GAA= big abusive daddy
Other sports= poor defenseless wife + kids

Ye are not being treated right with daddy spending all the wages on booze (football) and fags (hurling)

best option for ye?????????????????????????????????????????????????
Leave, no doubt, stand on yer own feet, get yer own acts together and pursue a happy life.

Yes the first step of separation, is the toughest, but then you will settle down again, return to normality and then grow!

I would argue that if you want to split the GAA into its own sports then it's only right that the football and hurling should be split from each other too.

Separation is the toughest step but hurling will settle down and return to normality.

It seems hard to justify all the money hurling gets when realisticly there are only 5 or 6 teams who can mount a challenge to with the All-Ireland!
That way then hurling could concentrate on its own code.

On a serious note though, the GAA is not football and hurling and a few other codes. It's all of them together.
We should be proud of all our codes. Especially when we have outstanding athletes flying the flag for us abroad in international competitions. How many World Champions have we in football and hurling?????
I know guys with All-Ireland medals and people would hardly acknowledge them but if the local football team won the county final the team would be "heros" for years to come. I don't think that will ever change and I'm not campaigning for it but give credit where it's due is all I'm saying.

So thats why I say thank God he's not PRO cause his attitude to the other codes is not the right message to be sending out imo

LeoB

This country would be in some mess if it were not for the G.A.A. The G.A.A are doing the work that should be done by several state bodies and this only dilutes what the association is about.

I think Danny is pretty bang on. The G.A.A has to many pulling at it for funding from all over the place and trying to accomadate to many who are on an ego trip as he puts it.

Grudaire

LeoB wrote: »

This country would be in some mess if it were not for the G.A.A. The G.A.A are doing the work that should be done by several state bodies and this only dilutes what the association is about.

I think Danny is pretty bang on. The G.A.A has to many pulling at it for funding from all over the place and trying to accomadate to many who are on an ego trip as he puts it.

:facepalm: (perhaps epic facepalm would be more appropriate)

The figures have been brought to the thread, they do not back that argument up.

nice_guy80

LeoB wrote: »

This country would be in some mess if it were not for the G.A.A. The G.A.A are doing the work that should be done by several state bodies and this only dilutes what the association is about.

I think Danny is pretty bang on. The G.A.A has to many pulling at it for funding from all over the place and trying to accomadate to many who are on an ego trip as he puts it.

Handball and Scor use up a tiny fraction of the GAA's overall budget

Maybe if Danny had looked at some of the main wastages in the GAA while he was PRO - counties developing big stadia for no reason. County managers being paid. The big expenses many officials claim and the big money wasted on annual banquets for this committee and that committee. (I'm off to find the annual spend in the GAA report) Junkets abroad by officials to various competitions and tournaments abroad.

LeoB

Cliste wrote: »

:facepalm: (perhaps epic facepalm would be more appropriate)

The figures have been brought to the thread, they do not back that argument up.

Where I am coming from on this is the G.A.A. simply cant sustain what is coming under its umbrella at the moment and not only Croke Pk but right down to club level.

Look at the costs incurred by an average size club in just staying afloat. My first point still stands re work being done by G.A.A.
The other units do have people on ego trips and why not the people who are interested in Music look for funding off Ceoltás? And btw I am not slagging any other unit of G.A.A I admire all the people who give their time all over the country for kids.

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Handball and Scor use up a tiny fraction of the GAA's overall budget.

I would prefer to see the G.A.A spend money on pitch (not grounds) developments, like floodlights, dugouts fencing around pitchs

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Maybe if Danny had looked at some of the main wastages in the GAA while he was PRO - counties developing big stadia for no reason. County managers being paid. The big expenses many officials claim and the big money wasted on annual banquets for this committee and that committee. (I'm off to find the annual spend in the GAA report) Junkets abroad by officials to various competitions and tournaments abroad.

Hard to argue with this. The money spent on county grounds is a waste. One and maybe two championship venues perprovince is plenty. Most counties would be happy to get 5-10,000 at league games so a smallish stand with a decent covered terrace would be plenty. Managers getting paid is wrong imo but fair expences I have no problem with but whats fair? If there is a conference on I have no problem with delegates getting fair expences either. Wonder if we have compliance officer to oversee these expences?

Health and safety and other regulations have cost the G.A.A a fortune because we constantly come under pressure to follow other codes and if we dont cull our outgoings clubs will suffer as the revenue will be there to filter down. Just an opinion mind you but I have been around long enough to see

I dont think Danny is ante anything more doing a Colm McCarthy on G.A.A funding

Mardy Bum

LeoB wrote: »

Where I am coming from on this is the G.A.A. simply cant sustain what is coming under its umbrella at the moment and not only Croke Pk but right down to club level.

Look at the costs incurred by an average size club in just staying afloat. My first point still stands re work being done by G.A.A.
The other units do have people on ego trips and why not the people who are interested in Music look for funding off Ceoltás? And btw I am not slagging any other unit of G.A.A I admire all the people who give their time all over the country for kids.


I dont think Danny is ante anything more doing a Colm McCarthy on G.A.A funding

Have you looked at any of the links provided which show the amount of money which the 'other' organisations get? It is minuscule.

Colm McCarthy is a world famous economist who knows what he is talking about Danny on the other hand appears to have a chip on his shoulder and as far I know doesn't have a Ph.D in economics.

Grudaire

LeoB wrote: »

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You haven't said what money could be better spent elsewhere, the amount spent on the whole lot together might buy a set of flootlights - but wait then that money mightn't be got by the organisation.

You're acting like anyone who disagrees with you isn't an active member of a GAA club.

LeoB

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Have you looked at any of the links provided which show the amount of money which the 'other' organisations get? It is minuscule.

Colm McCarthy is a world famous economist who knows what he is talking about Danny on the other hand appears to have a chip on his shoulder and as far I know doesn't have a Ph.D in economics.

A lot of people would not agree with a lot of what Colm McCarthy has done or proposed.

As for the links I am fairly well aware of where monies go with the G.A.A all I am doing here if you read my post is giving another version/side and sorry if it does not agree with your mindset. Figures can be manipulated to read how you or I might the other to read them

Cliste wrote: »

You haven't said what money could be better spent elsewhere, the amount spent on the whole lot together might buy a set of flootlights - but wait then that money mightn't be got by the organisation.

You're acting like anyone who disagrees with you isn't an active member of a GAA club.

Dont know where you get that that idea in you last line. I have views and wont be stopped by you or anyone else from voicing them. You can disagre with them, thats fine but try and be a little more objective when putting your point accross instead of wasting people time.....bla, bla, bla....

As I stated earlier club facilities need to be developed in a big way. Dug outs, floodlights, changing rooms.

I agreed with the point made about €millions being wasted on development of big stadia when we need grounds to cater for crowds of 10 to 25,000 in most cases and maybe 1 or 2 provincial grounds. This where the biggest waste takes place in G.A.A with all counties feeling they should have a ground to cope with a provincial final.

Examples of this waste is look at the figures a stand alone N.F.L or N.H.L final would attract 15,000 to 30,000 so If Galway were playing Cork play it in Thurles or if Dublin were playing Kerry in football play it in Thurles also or Limerick. Look at what has been wasted on grounds projects/ developments in the last 15years and these grounds will be lucky to be filled once or twice every 2 years. Thats waste and maybe some money could have been used to develop club facilities further.

I think my views are realastic.

Mardy Bum

LeoB wrote: »

As for the links I am fairly well aware of where monies go with the G.A.A all I am doing here if you read my post is giving another version/side and sorry if it does not agree with your mindset. Figures can be manipulated to read how you or I might the other to read them

So you are well aware where every cent goes? Have you looked at the amount the different organisations get? It wouldn't be enough to do up one club let alone a few small clubs.

Another poster who believes the GAA are manipulating their accounts regarding expenditure you can't be serious? The accounts are reciprocated with the accounts of the different organisations which have dealings with the GAA.

LeoB

Mardy Bum wrote: »

So you are well aware where every cent goes? Have you looked at the amount the different organisations get? It wouldn't be enough to do up one club let alone a few small clubs.

Another poster who believes the GAA are manipulating their accounts regarding expenditure you can't be serious? The accounts are reciprocated with the accounts of the different organisations which have dealings with the GAA.

Please dont try and twist what I am saying.

I am not aware where every cent goes (Inever said I was aware, read the line again), either are you unless you work in Croke Park.

It is quite common when people/organisations/clubs are put under pressure they can move monies about in various accounts to suit their needs or wants at a particular time. Thats not illegal by the way and I am not suggesting for a moment the G.A.A would do such a thing

Mardy Bum

I am fairly well aware of where monies go with the G.A.A all I am doing here if you read my post is giving another version/side and sorry if it does not agree with your mindset. Figures can be manipulated to read how you or I might the other to read them

Thats what you said. You said figures can be manipulated. I am not twisting your words. Maybe your word are fairly ambiguous?

I didn't say I was aware of the monies spent personally. I did look at the accounts for the last few years so I have an educated opinion on it and not hearsay.