What box are you going to tick for religion in the census?

Tim Robbins

I am putting this poll here instead of the religious forums in the effort to attract a broader sweep of people. I got some feedback on this before posting: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056209889

The effort is to see roughly how many non practising Catholics will tick the Catholic box in the census?

By non practising I mean:
1. You don't go mass
2. You think sex before marriage is ok.
3. You don't say the Rosary.
4. You don't believe in things like the Resurrection
5. You don't go to confession
6. You don't believe communion is actually the Body of Jesus
7. You wouldn't bother you if you didn't get some ash on your forehead for ash Wednesday.

But you might
1. Get marriage in a church
2. Go to mass at Christmas
3. Get your kids baptised or send them to a catholic school

Snakeblood

No Religion - I have spiritual believes but don't see what religion box I can tick!

Tim Robbins wrote: »

But you might

3. Send them to a catholic school

90% of schools are still catholic, I might have to send my kid to a catholic school. Shudder.

partyatmygaff

Another religion - I don't practise it but I still feel associated with it. Please state!

How many of these threads do we need?


People will tick the box that they want to tick. That's the end of it. Stop trying to dictate to people what they should and should not do.

If a Catholic wants to call themselves Atheist or an Atheist wants to call themselves Catholic then that's their own prerogative. We don't need a million threads reminding people not to tick the box beside Catholic.



For the record, I won't be ticking the box beside Catholic.

policarp

Where is the poll?

Pauleta

Heavy Metal

phasers

No Religion - I have spiritual believes but don't see what religion box I can tick!

I'm going to close my eyes and jab at the census form. So I may be a black, Islamic, fluent Irish speaker with 18 kids, or I may be a retarded person with a load of pen marks all over the page. We'll see.

yoyo

No Religion - I have spiritual believes but don't see what religion box I can tick!

No Religion.

RasTa

Another religion - because I pracise it. Please state!

Rastafarian obv



Let's all get baked and read the bible backwards.

philologos

Another religion - I don't practise it but I still feel associated with it. Please state!

I'm going to put down my current denomination of Christianity: CofI

I think people should be honest on the census first and foremost. I'm not expecting there to be a tidal wave of change, I would expect Catholicism at worst to be in the 70% region.

Wagon

True Lad.

bonerm

something else - please state!

jedi

Shenshen

No Religion - I have spiritual believes but don't see what religion box I can tick!

Church of sex and chocolate

GSF

As Ronnie Barker would say a practicising Catholic is one that hasnt got it right yet.

darragh16

No Religion - because I am atheist / agnostic

I'm a lapsed catholic so to speak, so Catholic.

ejmaztec

I'm a member of the MYOB sect.

gcgirl

No Religion - I have spiritual believes but don't see what religion box I can tick!

Where's the al la cart catholic box
Seriously should be on the censes

squod

something else - please state!

I'm writting Fianna Fail are quears at every given opportunity. Then I'm gonna blast the form with piss before I hand it too the census official.


On a serious note......... CACI can fuhken bite my ass if they thing they're gonna make a fuhken cent out of me. They can fuhk right fuhken off.

philologos

Another religion - I don't practise it but I still feel associated with it. Please state!

gcgirl: That's what the option "Lapsed Roman Catholic" was for last time I think. At least it was registered in the last CSO statistics. I wonder if it will be on it this time?

My name is URL

No Religion - I have spiritual believes but don't see what religion box I can tick!

squod wrote: »

On a serious note......... CACI can fuhken bite my ass if they thing they're gonna make a fuhken cent out of me. They can fuhk right fuhken off.

They've been paid already.. Just think, you're money could some day go towards paying the legal fees of people accused of torture!

TPD

No Religion - I have spiritual believes but don't see what religion box I can tick!

No religion or pastafarian

Tim Robbins

No Religion - I have spiritual believes but don't see what religion box I can tick!

gcgirl wrote: »

Where's the al la cart catholic box
Seriously should be on the censes

Yes and No. For all other religions you don't need the a la carte option.
It's Catholicism that tends to yield most of this behaviour.

krudler

No Religion - I have spiritual believes but don't see what religion box I can tick!

anyone who wants to tick Jedi should just put down No Religion, it'll do more good.

keano_afc

Same as I put down last time - Bible believing Christian.

philologos

Another religion - I don't practise it but I still feel associated with it. Please state!

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Yes and No. For all other religions you don't need the a la carte option.
It's Catholicism that tends to yield most of this behaviour.

From experience I'd probably argue that mainline Protestants can be about as nominal, perhaps even more so.

Edit: It seems to be through a personal understanding of who God is that makes people become active in that such an encounter is life-changing.

krudler

No Religion - I have spiritual believes but don't see what religion box I can tick!

Jakkass wrote: »

From experience I'd probably argue that mainline Protestants can be about as nominal, perhaps even more so.

most catholics in this country have closer to protestant beliefs anyway just wont admit to it

Tim Robbins

No Religion - I have spiritual believes but don't see what religion box I can tick!

Jakkass wrote: »

From experience I'd probably argue that mainline Protestants can be about as nominal, perhaps even more so.

Well you'd know better.

What I was thinking was the Protestant Churches don't make as many demands on you so it was actually harder to be a non practising Protestant.
Or in the more extreme versions (the bible belt in the US or Northern Ireland) they all buy into it and it was hard to find much deviation.

Duckworth_Luas

I hope people realise that if you fill in something like Jedi Knight or Pastafarian you just get counted as No Religion anyway.

philologos

Another religion - I don't practise it but I still feel associated with it. Please state!

krudler wrote: »

most catholics in this country have closer to protestant beliefs anyway just wont admit to it

This makes the assumption that all Protestants have liberal beliefs. A lot of people seem to think this.

I would argue that a sizeable proportion in Ireland do.

I guess if you squared up some of my beliefs with what the RCC would put forward some of them would differ such as having no objection the use of contraceptives in and of itself, communion being a symbolic presentation of the last supper etc, more emphasis on a personal relationship with Jesus rather than ritual, others would overlap with the RCC such as marriage being the correct context for sexual activity. Other more liberal Protestants would disagree on a number of these things.

CarrickMcJoe

Catholic - even though I am not practising

squod wrote: »

I'm writting Fianna Fail are quears at every given opportunity. Then I'm gonna blast the form with piss before I hand it too the census official.


On a serious note......... CACI can fuhken bite my ass if they thing they're gonna make a fuhken cent out of me. They can fuhk right fuhken off.

I wonder what you will put down for, How good is your english?

Dionysus

I'd tick the 'Agnostic' box, but definitely not the 'Atheist' box, so where does that leave me with this poll?

There's as much difference between my beliefs and the certain beliefs of an atheist as there is between my beliefs and the certain beliefs of a practising Catholic/Christian. That's sort of the point in being an agnostic!

Micky Dolenz

Oh, great, not only is it another census thread but it has religion included for a double whammy.

wonderfulname

No Religion - I have spiritual believes but don't see what religion box I can tick!

Dionysus wrote: »

I'd tick the 'Agnostic' box, but definitely not the 'Atheist' box, so where does that leave me with this poll?

There's as much difference between my beliefs and the certain beliefs of an atheist as there is between my beliefs and the certain beliefs of a practising Catholic/Christian. That's sort of the point in being an agnostic!

Well you're lucky the census just says "no religion" so!

Alternatively you can just write in whatever the hell you see fit.

KeithAFC

I would tick Agnostic but ticked Protestant.

LondonIrish90

No Religion - I have spiritual believes but don't see what religion box I can tick!

keano_afc wrote: »

Same as I put down last time - Bible believing Christian.

Didn't know these still existed. I thought the current thinking amongst Christians was that the Bible is full of metaphors for life and existence?

Go to a natural history museum. Have some fun.

wonderfulname

No Religion - I have spiritual believes but don't see what religion box I can tick!

You ticked an option that wasn't there?

Dionysus

KeithAFC wrote: »

I would tick Agnostic but ticked Protestant.

Why? Surely not that "siege mentality" "I'll show the fúckers" thinking, Keith?

And there I was thinking all good Protestants would avoid such tribal thinking and assert their individual conscience....

Mark Hamill

No Religion - I have spiritual believes but don't see what religion box I can tick!

Dionysus wrote: »

I'd tick the 'Agnostic' box, but definitely not the 'Atheist' box, so where does that leave me with this poll?

There's as much difference between my beliefs and the certain beliefs of an atheist as there is between my beliefs and the certain beliefs of a practising Catholic/Christian. That's sort of the point in being an agnostic!

Who said atheists are certain? Most atheists are agnostic too, its possible to be both.

TheZohanS

No Religion - because I am atheist / agnostic

I voted "Catholic eventhough I'm not practising" because you made the Poll public.

Them apples.

squod

CarrickMcJoe wrote: »

I wonder what you will put down for, How good is your english?

My English is perfect. My sense of justice is better again.

Dionysus

wonderfulname wrote: »

Well you're lucky the census just says "no religion" so!

Alternatively you can just write in whatever the hell you see fit.

Good stuff, as long as that overbearingly patronising Michael Nugent character and his fellow travellers don't hijack that and claim 'no religion' supports the atheist belief system and agenda.

KeithAFC

Dionysus wrote: »

Why? Surely not that "siege mentality" "I'll show the fúckers" thinking, Keith?

And there I was thinking all good Protestants would avoid such tribal thinking and assert their individual conscience....

Gotta compete in them polls man.

MagicMarker

No Religion - I have spiritual believes but don't see what religion box I can tick!

Dionysus wrote: »

I'd tick the 'Agnostic' box, but definitely not the 'Atheist' box, so where does that leave me with this poll?

There's as much difference between my beliefs and the certain beliefs of an atheist as there is between my beliefs and the certain beliefs of a practising Catholic/Christian. That's sort of the point in being an agnostic!

Do you adhere to any one religion? If no, tick no religion. You can believe in god and still tick ''no religion''.

Dionysus

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Who said atheists are certain? Most atheists are agnostic too, its possible to be both.

As far as I'm aware there's a distinct difference between both: an atheist is certain God doesn't exist; an agnostic isn't certain and reckons it cannot be known. This is a distinction I got from a dictionary:

Atheist: a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Agnostic: a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as god, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.

Dictionary.com

Vicxas

Jedi

Mark Hamill

No Religion - I have spiritual believes but don't see what religion box I can tick!

Dionysus wrote: »

Good stuff, as long as that overbearingly patronising Michael Nugent character and his fellow travellers don't hijack that and claim 'no religion' supports the atheist belief system and agenda.

If you are going to talk nonsense, at least make up something new. There is no such thing as an atheist belief system.

Shenshen

No Religion - I have spiritual believes but don't see what religion box I can tick!

Dionysus wrote: »

As far as I'm aware there's a distinct difference between both: an atheist is certain God doesn't exist; an agnostic isn't certain and reckons it cannot be known. This is a distinction I got from a dictionary:

Atheist: a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Agnostic: a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as god, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.

Dictionary.com

So an agnostic atheists is someone who understands that god can't be known, and therefore doesn't believe in him.

It's not difficult. Most atheists are agnostics.

Mark Hamill

No Religion - I have spiritual believes but don't see what religion box I can tick!

Dionysus wrote: »

As far as I'm aware there's a distinct difference between both: an atheist is certain God doesn't exist; an agnostic isn't certain and reckons it cannot be known. This is a distinction I got from a dictionary:

Atheist: a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Agnostic: a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as god, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.

Dictionary.com

Get a better dictionary. Very few atheists claim to be completely certain that god doesn't exist.. Atheism deals with belief, agnosticism deals with knowledge, they are not two points on a linear scale, its more like this.

Read the wikipedia pages on atheism and agnosticism for a better idea of the different types and the actual assertions each position holds.

chicken fingers

No Religion - because I am atheist / agnostic

Im athiest but I will vote "Catholic" because of the obnoxious signatures people have here telling me what to do.

I might not be in the country for the census anyways.

philologos

Another religion - I don't practise it but I still feel associated with it. Please state!

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Get a better dictionary. Very few atheists claim to be completely certain that god doesn't exist.. Atheism deals with belief, agnosticism deals with knowledge, they are not two points on a linear scale, its more like this.

Indeed, although one would question what value agnosticism has when you believe the existence of God is only as probable as fairies existing at the back of your garden alá Richard Dawkins. Limited at best.

Ickle Magoo

No Religion - I have spiritual believes but don't see what religion box I can tick!

Dionysus wrote: »

As far as I'm aware there's a distinct difference between both: an atheist is certain God doesn't exist; an agnostic isn't certain and reckons it cannot be known. This is a distinction I got from a dictionary:

Rubbish! I'm an atheist and I'm not certain god doesn't exist...I have just never been given a reason to support belief that one exists...from Apollo to Zeus. I lack belief in something until I see some kind of rational reason to support belief in it's existence, much like you and tooth-fairies. Are you denying the existence of the tooth-fairy?

MagicMarker

No Religion - I have spiritual believes but don't see what religion box I can tick!

chicken fingers wrote: »

I might not be in the country for the census anyways.

Here's hoping.