Looking for D Class fighters!!!

CraigBrophy

An Troid - Irish MMA organisation looking for D class fighters (with standing head shots, no grounded head strikes), to compete in Cork city ...

All fights in the cage - large crowd expected. Should be a great event !

Now is the time to put all that training to use - No pretenders need apply !

April 28th
Rochestown park hotel
Ticket deal available for fighters



Proceeds going to two charities

Tir na nOg Orphanage -
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Tir-na-nOg-Orphanage/190380647840

Suicide Ireland -
http://www.suicideireland.com/

Sid_Justice

Hi Craig,

Can I just ask you (as a potential customer and not in any official capacity or pretense) what's the background with your promotion.

Who's Refereeing
Who's doing the medic requirement
Is there any expenses for fighters / purses

I could go on but i won't.

pablohoney87

28th a thursday?
Might be a problem for anyone travelling.

Barry.Oglesby

What is this D class? I thought we only agreed to A, B and C?

Rules?

SBG Ireland

yeah and then we remembered that people will do whatever the hell they want

as always it'll come back down to the coaches deciding if a 'promotion' works by deciding to put fighters on it or not. as for me i'm only interested in shows that have Pro (A or and Am (new c) on them.

i wish you the best and you seem to be doing it for a noble cause with profits going to charity...but personally i'd rather have my fingernails pulled out than watch a 'show' with mma league fights on it. i predict a head squeezing fest.

Raze_them_all

For charity or not you'll be doing well to get a large croud to pay for mma league rules unless there wasn full disclosure over the rules/fans didn't understand what D class means

pablohoney87

Raze_them_all wrote: »

For charity or not you'll be doing well to get a large croud to pay for mma league rules unless there wasn full disclosure over the rules/fans didn't understand what D class means

Think they mean its old C class rules. It says standing head shots are allowed.

CraigBrophy

Yeah i think the rules may be closer to the old C class rules but as the new C class rules are i figured this is a step under it .... so anyone for some old C class rules fights ???

David Jones

yeah and then we remembered that people will do whatever the hell they want

So this is a 2011 show using 2010 rules? I'm glad Peter is the one travelling from Belfast for this.

Charity idea is great, a step backward with rules, not so much.

Kal_El

What is the problem with using these rules?
Its obvious that fighters/coaches and promoters still want to use them.

cowzerp

Kal_El wrote: »

What is the problem with using these rules?
Its obvious that fighters/coaches and promoters still want to use them.

The rules suck, That's why-it's not proper MMA without grounded head shots, suited for kids and also for total beginners but not of benefit for learning good habits for MMA.

Lot's of shows have used these rules this year and i still have not seen anyone hurt using the GnP thank Jebus!

Kal_El

cowzerp wrote: »

The rules suck, That's why-it's not proper MMA without grounded head shots, suited for kids and also for total beginners but not of benefit for learning good habits for MMA.

Lot's of shows have used these rules this year and i still have not seen anyone hurt using the GnP thank Jebus!

Theres no doubt that the "new" c-class rules was a good idea. But do you not think that the "old" rules can be used too? Simply because people want them. Or do you think that its a bad idea to keep them?

cowzerp

Kal_El wrote: »

Theres no doubt that the "new" c-class rules was a good idea. But do you not think that the "old" rules can be used too? Simply because people want them. Or do you think that its a bad idea to keep them?

I think it's a bad idea to keep them on shows for the progression of MMA in Ireland-Doing the old c class and amateur league rules are ok to help gain confidense and for beginners or people who are scared to get hit in the head in MMA league format or on club shows such as Barry's which is geared for beginners-but as for learning good habits they are a no no in my opinion and also not great for growing a fan base either as they can be very boring when it hits the ground.

CraigBrophy

ok is the general consensus that i change this to using new C class rules ???
and if i did this would it prompt more coaches to send fighters into this ??? i want this to be a success or else ill be owing money rather than giving money to charity hahahahaahahahahaaa

Kal_El

CraigBrophy wrote: »

ok is the general consensus that i change this to using new C class rules ???
and if i did this would it prompt more coaches to send fighters into this ??? i want this to be a success or else ill be owing money rather than giving money to charity hahahahaahahahahaaa

Why would you do what people on an internet forum tell you?
Its your show man. Do what you want.

David Jones

Why would you do what people on an internet forum tell you?
Its your show man. Do what you want.

In 40 odd posts that might just be the most sensible thing you have said.

Craig, do whatever you like, most people on here particularly those who use our real names only want what is best for a sport that although still in it's infancy, we have been involved in since day one.

There are too many shows already in this country and I'm afraid in the next year there are going to be some serious casualties of individuals dabbling in promotion. If you are a large production with plenty of finance you can "afford" to take a hit with a mostly empty stadium or venue, as happened in cork last year. But if not it's a big hit when you have paid everyone.

I Realize you want to do something for charity, but I am not too sure why you have set on mma, despite rumours promoters aren't clearing up the cash. To put on a show with what are at best mma league / old D class rules runs the risk of a very small pool of fighters and coaches willing to participate and an equally small carrot to fans to turn up and watch. Fights with no headshots end up looking like bad grappling and your average mma fan didn't really understand or embrace the no headshot rule.

I wasn't trying to knock your show, I don't want to see the sport take a step backward primarily. But I also don't want to see someone who is willing to do something for charity take a big hit. Works of genuine charity are few and far between these days. Personally I wouldnt try and raise money with an mma event even with the new rules, but good luck with it if you do.

theboxingclinic

Kal_El wrote: »

Why would you do what people on an internet forum tell you?
Its your show man. Do what you want.

these are not just people on a forum. these guys are experienced promoters and coaches , understand irish mma, want the best for the future of irish mma. so yes he should listen to "these people on an internet forum".

Kal_El

theboxingclinic wrote: »

these are not just people on a forum. these guys are experienced promoters and coaches , understand irish mma, want the best for the future of irish mma. so yes he should listen to "these people on an internet forum".

I am well aware of who the few people on this forum are and what they have done for the sport of MMA in Ireland. But they do not own it. They cant dictate to people how to run there buisness. They can suggest things. The problem is on here you just get the feeling that if you dont do it there way you shouldnt do it at all. Its a bit elitist to be honest.

Raze_them_all

Kal_El wrote: »

I am well aware of who the few people on this forum are and what they have done for the sport of MMA in Ireland. But they do not own it. They cant dictate to people how to run there buisness. They can suggest things. The problem is on here you just get the feeling that if you dont do it there way you shouldnt do it at all. Its a bit elitist to be honest.

The sports moved on, roll with the times and what not.

Barry.Oglesby

If there wasn't an "elite" (though I hate that term) making decisions, then we wouldn't have the insistence on certain safety and refereeing/judging standards. We wouldn't have the new rules structure and that includes an A class format on a par with UFC rules and countless other things.

As it is with the "elitist" attitude, a guy who runs a supplement shop and fancies himself as an MMA promoter can put on a show without any experience and is told off the bat that he needs to do X, Y and Z, and has to have such a referee (from a panel of 4) and must provide judges and medics. We've all seen or heard the stories of what has gone before in some shows when no one insisted on this.

Elitism, the way forward.

OLDMAN1

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

If there wasn't an "elite" (though I hate that term) making decisions, then we wouldn't have the insistence on certain safety and refereeing/judging standards. We wouldn't have the new rules structure and that includes an A class format on a par with UFC rules and countless other things.

As it is with the "elitist" attitude, a guy who runs a supplement shop and fancies himself as an MMA promoter can put on a show without any experience and is told off the bat that he needs to do X, Y and Z, and has to have such a referee (from a panel of 4) and must provide judges and medics. We've all seen or heard the stories of what has gone before in some shows when no one insisted on this.

Elitism, the way forward.

What refereeing/judging standards? i cant remember anybody agreeing to things like that in the new rules discussion, it could be just my memory ...

CraigBrophy

wow wow wow lets not turn this into a flaming thread guys i appreciate everyones input here especially as they all have a ton more experience than me so yeah i take on board its up to me at the end of the day but to just stick to that would be ignorance ....

im matching fighters so once matches are made ill allow it to them if they wish to use head shots on the ground or not so then its open to them if they wish to go all for it or be tentative think thats the best option ....

anyways back to it anyone have any guys interested in coming forward at the moment im looking to match a middleweight light heavyweight and a heavyweight and a 74kg fighter also .... anyone got a guy to match these i would be delighted Email me if you want to get me directly or find out more about the guys im trying to match contact me at craigbrophy2@hotmail.com

Thanks guys i really appreciate it

Kal_El

CraigBrophy wrote: »

im matching fighters so once matches are made ill allow it to them if they wish to use head shots on the ground or not so then its open to them if they wish to go all for it or be tentative think thats the best option ....

I think your right here with this. If people want "old" rules they fight "old" rules if people want "new" rules they fight "new" rules. Simple.

Barry.Oglesby

Well Kal El, let me ask you this- what other sport in the world would give you a menu of rules you'd like to compete under? What other sport would charge people good money to see a bastardised version of a sport? (and many of the fans will be uneducated and not know they're not going to see full MMA)

Oldman1, In emails back and forth, selection of judges was to be organised by the promoter and okayed by the referee. Believe it or not most of the discussion on rules took place off the boards.ie MMA forum

Personally Craig, I think whatever you want to do you should do. I would heed against thinking you'll make money for charity, maybe a better idea would be to do an MMA League style event and have the fighters get sponsorship? Putting on a show costs a lot of money. It can make money of course but you can also take a significant bath. That's fine when you're the man at the end but if there's a charity looking for a cheque at the end of it you could end up looking pretty bad.

CraigBrophy

Yeah very true barry we have a couple things in place to ensure the night is a success we have events on the second floor of Rochestown park hotel as well which has a bunch of bands playing and its looking like J90 will headline the event so between them we should have enough to make money for charity !

Barry.Oglesby

Okay well to go in with your eyes open (especially given the charity thing) give me a mail on barry@informedperformance.com or hook up with me on facebook and I'll send you on some of the standard costs such as cage rental, refereeing, medical cover etc. etc. That way you can make an informed decision on whether to go ahead with it. It's not cheap man and remember that a major and very high quality show had a very low attendance in Cork last year despite radio coverage, high end fighters etc. etc.

Mellor

Kal_El wrote: »

I am well aware of who the few people on this forum are and what they have done for the sport of MMA in Ireland. But they do not own it. They cant dictate to people how to run there buisness. They can suggest things. The problem is on here you just get the feeling that if you dont do it there way you shouldnt do it at all. Its a bit elitist to be honest.

There's the problem, you are lookign at it like a business (that's pretty much the problem with the supplement shop guy having a bash at it). It isn't a business, its a sport first and foremost. The promotion and business aspects are minor secondary concerns

CraigBrophy

Hey guys i need a couple more fights to fill out the card these are the fighters im trying to match at the moment.

Will Jones - 110kg - (0-1)
Will is predominantly a kickboxer with a 2-1 kickboxing record.

Luke Davis - 90kg - (1-0)
Luke is also predominantly a kickboxer but has a good few months MMA experience also

Shane Manning - 86kg - (0-0)
Judo Blackbelt. New to MMA but with his lengthy Judo back ground we would be looking for someone with a good background in martial arts

also have fighters at 74kg 65kg and 67kg whom are looking to compete so if you have anyone at these weights send me their details at craigbrophy2@hotmail.com and ill get back to you with more details

robertbarry

saw j90 in galway a few weeks ago. They rock!

robertbarry

quays bar i think it was, you should make a point of catching them if you can

Sid_Justice

Kal_El wrote: »

I think your right here with this. If people want "old" rules they fight "old" rules if people want "new" rules they fight "new" rules. Simple.

do you mind me asking who you are?

DeVore

Another reason why you need (whisper it....) a representative governing body.

DeV.

cowzerp

DeVore wrote: »

Another reason why you need (whisper it....) a representative governing body.

DeV.

They could still run either way so moot point, in the states there are hundreds of unsanctioned events and thats the home of the UFC and is as governed as it gets.

CraigBrophy

Hey Rob J90 are performing live at the event come along should be a good night and all for a good cause its confirmed now its Mary mount hospice and suicide Ireland who are the beneficiaries of this event

Kal_El

Sid_Justice wrote: »

do you mind me asking who you are?

Not at all Sid_Justice. Im nobody. And no need to tell me who you are because i dont care anyway.

CraigBrophy

Weights fighters are available at . Anyone who can match these weights and wants in give me a shout

110kg
90kg
86kg
84kg
74kg

Any help matching these guys is appreciated

Raze_them_all

CraigBrophy wrote: »

Weights fighters are available at . Anyone who can match these weights and wants in give me a shout

110kg
90kg
86kg
84kg
74kg

Any help matching these guys is appreciated

110kg doesn need a match, It's heavyweight so can be 93-120 kg

Barry.Oglesby

86kg?

74kg?

Right.

CraigBrophy

Your both right it dont need to be an exact match guys just close as please within the weight limits

pablohoney87

Why not just have people compete under the standard weight classes?

CraigBrophy

I am mate like i said within the weight limits i am just posting their current weights is all as some are willing to move up or down considering

Raze_them_all

86 should be 84 and that 74 at the very least should be 73...or for barry's sanity 70, 90 is up to 93 kg.

CraigBrophy

sure like i said this is just their current weight some are willing to go up or down a weight class to get a match Anyone interested

Barry.Oglesby

CraigBrophy wrote: »

sure like i said this is just their current weight some are willing to go up or down a weight class to get a match Anyone interested

AAAAHHHH! Sure tis grand sure up and down the weights we go sure tisn't it only an oul bitta kneeing in the head if things go wrong? And sure how wrong can ya go with novice fighter fighting 2 classes above their level and a novice promotion!

This MMA lark is nothin at all. Sure anyone can do it.

CraigBrophy

so i made a post not being entirely formal and you take it that i am being stupid? I have said its not up and down the weights i have said its the weight they are currently at and some fighters asked about other opponents and what weights they were and have requested to be informed about fights in more than one weight bracket.

But yeah thats the same as a knee in the head being nothing and fighting two classes above themselves when all fights are C class only. Exact same definitely.

David Jones

When MMA promotions go bad?

I think this is what happens when someone with no experience in MMA promotion tries to put on an event without having sought any advice from anyone with experience in either MMA or MMA promotion.

Like I said earlier in the thread, great that charity is the goal, but to be honest Craig I wouldnt touch refereeing this with a very very long stick, and I know Peter isnt driving from Belfast on a Thursday for what appears to be a shambolic attempt at an event. So god help who is refereeing.

Maybe stick to having some bands play and do a table quiz?? Lot less hassle and no one is at risk of getting seriously hurt.

Barry.Oglesby

2 levels above their level:

A Class- "UFC" style rules

B Class- "Strikeforce" style rules ie no elbows

C Class- Amateur rules with padded gloves

Amateur- shinpads and big gloves al la EFR/IP shows

MMA League- total novices

Judging from the fighters and clubs you've posted so far, I think they should give the league a go next time out.

Mouthalmighty

Craig,
Firstly fair play for trying to put on a show with charity in mind your idea was honourable. I would listen to the advice of Dave & Barry, they know their stuff. (I have lost count of the times that Dave has saved a fighters life in the cage with his reffing experience to start with.)
If any of the fights you put on are mismatches & someone gets hurt YOU can be done for negligence as the promoter.
I know you'll say its just C-class fighters but there are lads out there who watch for events like this so they can fight with the knowledge they have no real of losing as the competition is not at their level. I'm reminded of a certain purple belt who used to stalk MMA league competitions.

Secondly I have been at a lot of events with top irish fighters competing & I have seen them bomb with poor attendances. The Irish MMA community (&that WILL be the guts of the crowd who will attend) will not shell out 20-35 notes plus travelling expenses to see basically novices grapple badly with each other or the scenario mentioned above where a young lad gets murdered in a mismatch.

It was a nice idea Craig but remember the road to hell is paved with good intentions, listen to Barry & Dave

CITMMACLUB

God!! Its only a show! arnt ye all very good looking out for poor craig.. Actually im sure craig can look out for himself and should take my advice and do what ever he wants!

No fighter is going to be pushed into the cage and forced to fight. im sure any one fighting is happy to go with what ever rules are decided upon!

Some one said there is too many shows in ireland.. that was a stupid comment.there should be more! weekly comps and monthly shows in every county. look at boxing, some thing every night of the week!

the truth is actually, mma is beng pshed by money! shows = money



and for people with experience putting on shows, let craig learn, this is his experience! if this one goes well he might do more! and they can only get better! ya? no?

If ye are worried about him or the show, offer help!! get involved and dont ask stupid questions.

all that goes on here is criticism and negativity.

idiots :pac: :pac: :pac:

CraigBrophy

Mouthalmighty wrote: »

Craig,
Firstly fair play for trying to put on a show with charity in mind your idea was honourable. I would listen to the advice of Dave & Barry, they know their stuff. (I have lost count of the times that Dave has saved a fighters life in the cage with his reffing experience to start with.)
If any of the fights you put on are mismatches & someone gets hurt YOU can be done for negligence as the promoter.
I know you'll say its just C-class fighters but there are lads out there who watch for events like this so they can fight with the knowledge they have no real of losing as the competition is not at their level. I'm reminded of a certain purple belt who used to stalk MMA league competitions.

Secondly I have been at a lot of events with top irish fighters competing & I have seen them bomb with poor attendances. The Irish MMA community (&that WILL be the guts of the crowd who will attend) will not shell out 20-35 notes plus travelling expenses to see basically novices grapple badly with each other or the scenario mentioned above where a young lad gets murdered in a mismatch.

It was a nice idea Craig but remember the road to hell is paved with good intentions, listen to Barry & Dave

Thanks for the advice and while i agree the boys do have a world of knowledge their are going to be no mismatches i have full backgrounds and the fighters and have taken all the steps i can to ensure matches are fair i ain't ignorant to the fact that people can get hurt and as such i am makgin sure fights are fair that their is suitable precautions taken like trying to get the referee's that have proven themselves to be the best around and have literally taken all the criticism without really arguing back at all because i respect the fact that their is alot of knowledge on these boards ... but you can all stop saying don't do this event cause its happening ... im after an audience that i already have had great interest from and have a couple hundred tickets sold so dont worry about that side of things either ... and by golly gee wizz someone on these boards defended me ???? holy **** hahahahaha look i would love to learn and i am going to but i will do this show and i will do everything i can to ensure its a success ... fights are confirmed venue booked etc etc ... hope to see you all their !!!

Kal_El

At the end of the day Craig nobody on here can stop you.
The problem is these people do know what they are talking about but for some reason instead of giving advice properly they slabber and bitch and come across as MMA snobs.
The best thing to do is do it your way. If clubs dont like it they wont come thats there choice. As long as every fighter is safe and the fans enjoy the night your on to a winner. No matter what the hundred or so people on here say that will be how you judge if you have a place in the MMA cuircut in Ireland. If someone gets hurt, because of your neglegance in not following the accepted rules that are in place, your doomed. The people on here are very influential they will be able to boycott you in future.Your running that risk. Its your call.