My first Diet

rovers2001

Hi Guys...
Looking for a bit of help.Iv decided to go on a diet and at the moment im Eight days into it.Problem is basically i dont know if im doing it right or wrong as im totally inexperienced at this kind of thing.

Im 39 16.5st 5ft 8" Male.Im pretty active i play O35s football and have a manual job involving heavy lifting and walking etc.

Recently i felt a real slow down in my life feeling tired weary no get up and go and felt the lbs starting to pile on.I was an awful man for Chippers, Currys, Pizza Crisps and Chocolate but in the last eight days iv had none of that and truthfully feel the better for it.Also i drank maybe two cans of lager a night excluding weekend binges and do have a beer belly:(

For the last eight days iv been eating....Corn flakes with low fat milk with two Rich tea biscuits for Breakfast.Two ham salad sandwiches, banana, popcorn and diet coke for lunch.Dinner consisted of Chicken salad with brown bread or Spaghetti Bolognese but its getting boring now.
I dont like Fish but love chicken,veg,Fruits.

I suppose the question im asking is am i doing this all wrong (which i think i am)?
So anyone out there with any help or ideas for me please ....im pretty determined:D
I lost 4lb in first week.

whiteonion

rovers2001 wrote: »

Hi Guys...
Looking for a bit of help.Iv decided to go on a diet and at the moment im Eight days into it.Problem is basically i dont know if im doing it right or wrong as im totally inexperienced at this kind of thing.

Im 39 16.5st 5ft 8" Male.Im pretty active i play O35s football and have a manual job involving heavy lifting and walking etc.

Recently i felt a real slow down in my life feeling tired weary no get up and go and felt the lbs starting to pile on.I was an awful man for Chippers, Currys, Pizza Crisps and Chocolate but in the last eight days iv had none of that and truthfully feel the better for it.Also i drank maybe two cans of lager a night excluding weekend binges and do have a beer belly:(

For the last eight days iv been eating....Corn flakes with low fat milk with two Rich tea biscuits for Breakfast.Two ham salad sandwiches, banana, popcorn and diet coke for lunch.Dinner consisted of Chicken salad with brown bread or Spaghetti Bolognese but its getting boring now.
I dont like Fish but love chicken,veg,Fruits.

I suppose the question im asking is am i doing this all wrong (which i think i am)?
So anyone out there with any help or ideas for me please ....im pretty determined:D
I lost 4lb in first week.

Few people know more about obesity than I do. I have conquered obesity. What you should do is the total opposite of what you are doing now. Half of your calorie intake should come from fat. Eat eggs, bacon, meat and butter. The first month you should ONLY be eating this. What makes it difficult to lose weight is carb intake. Avoid ALL carbs in the beginning.

EileenG

Well, I'd chuck in some celery and spinach as well. But yes, avoid all the processed junk and refined carbs, eat eggs, fish meat and leafy greens and you'll lose weight.

CalmDown...

I don't know if you should start eating more saturated fat as that's just generally not very good for you...? I think you shouldn't be eating biscuits at all (except maybe once a week or so), Cornflakes aren't that great either - porridge is very good for you and keeps you full, you could also have some wholegrain toast, fruit with natural yougurt (very nice!), maybe have eggs or pancakes or something once a week but don't all the time.

Maybe try to not eat that much wheat as it bloats you and isn't great for your digestive system.

I think the most important thing is to try make everything yourself (for example make your own chilli con carne with lean mince), use as much veg as you can, if you do that you can eat most things. completely cut out cheese and creamy things if you can.

Another rule of thumb i used to use was "if you're not hungry enough to eat an apple then you're not hungry..."

I did the carol voderman 28 day detox last year - lost a huge amount of weight and completely changed my attitude to food. I really recommend it - just stick with it for 28 days and you're as free as a bird. But you probably will change the way you eat because it makes you feel so good!

EileenG

Don't worry about saturated fat, but avoid transfats like the plague.

CalmDown...

DO worry about fat! it contains loads of calories! it's completely unnecessary too - switch to flora, avoid cheese and cream and eat lean cuts of meat. It'll decrease your chances of a heart attack if nothing else!

EileenG

CalmDown... wrote: »

DO worry about fat! it contains loads of calories! it's completely unnecessary too - switch to flora, avoid cheese and cream and eat lean cuts of meat. It'll decrease your chances of a heart attack if nothing else!

Flora? Lots of processed fats? I'm tempted to just let the wolves attack.

Seriously, fat is necessary, and fat is your friend when you are trying to lose weight. But you want fat from real food, not factories.

CalmDown...

plant fat = good

animal fat = bad

Ya i hear ya about keeping your food in as natural a state as possible, i just mean you (in the general "you" sense not you personally!) shouldn't tell somebody who is going on a diet to eat more butter and eggs :rolleyes:, get fat from nuts and seeds

metamorphosis

whiteonion wrote: »

Few people know more about obesity than I do. I have conquered obesity. What you should do is the total opposite of what you are doing now. Half of your calorie intake should come from fat. Eat eggs, bacon, meat and butter. The first month you should ONLY be eating this. What makes it difficult to lose weight is carb intake. Avoid ALL carbs in the beginning.

I have also conquered obesity without ever having to ever cut out all carbs (as have many many others have). Your way of life does not fit every person. Yes, his current diet is not good really at all though (best to rid of those corn flakes, rich tea, bread etc etc). Fats are great, but half his daily intake does not HAVE to come from fat if he does not want it to (although i wouldn't see anything wrong with that if he so chose to do so).

Cutting out the carbs for the 1st month and slowly re introducing them bit by bit until you reach a set point is an effective way but it's not gospel

CalmDown... wrote: »

DO worry about fat! it contains loads of calories! it's completely unnecessary too - switch to flora, avoid cheese and cream and eat lean cuts of meat. It'll decrease your chances of a heart attack if nothing else!

do NOT switch to flora - it's full of omega 6 that long term has inflammatory properties in the body - its ****e. Butter is fat more nutritious. Fat is bad is an old school myth thats hard to debunk but a little goes a long way. Butter is very nutritious (Vit k2). Eating wholefood sources of fat does not lead to heart attacks or high cholesterol - trans fats do that. (among other things)

OP - read the stickied threads at the top of this forum, stick to foods that are ingredients rather than foods that have an endless list, limit refined foods and junk foods, increase veg, get in good sources of protein cottage cheese, meat, fish - especially salmon and other oil fish, get in good sources of fat (don't be scared of butter)

metamorphosis

CalmDown... wrote: »

plant fat = good

animal fat = bad

Ya i hear ya about keeping your food in as natural a state as possible, i just mean you (in the general "you" sense not you personally!) shouldn't tell somebody who is going on a diet to eat more butter and eggs :rolleyes:, get fat from nuts and seeds

That egg thing has been scientifically dumped on years ago (eggs are a powerhouse food) - search this forum, youl find many in death discussions and references.

CalmDown...

Okay i back down on the flora thing - didn't realise it was really processed!

metamorphosis

Not to mention the fact that fat is satiating - much more than a lot of carbs, so it tends to stop you over eating unnessicarily.

rovers2001

Thanks for the replies guys.Just one or two questions on the comments if i may

Can i eat low fat cheese?
Is special K better than Corn Flakes?Hate Porridge:eek:
Regards biscuits are rich tea not a light bisciut??
Im a Guinness drinker should i change to say Corrs light and obviously lower my intake of alcohol?.Thanks to "Calmdown" for recommending The Vorderman diet thats exactly what im looking for some goals to aim for im usually good at that.
Anyway thanks again and if anymore advice for me it be greatly recieved:)

CalmDown...

rovers2001 wrote: »

Thanks for the replies guys.Just one or two questions on the comments if i may

Can i eat low fat cheese?
Is special K better than Corn Flakes?Hate Porridge:eek:
Regards biscuits are rich tea not a light bisciut??
Im a Guinness drinker should i change to say Corrs light and obviously lower my intake of alcohol?.Thanks to "Calmdown" for recommending The Vorderman diet thats exactly what im looking for some goals to aim for im usually good at that.
Anyway thanks again and if anymore advice for me it be greatly recieved:)

There's a book with that detox in it - you should get it (or thumb through it at a book shop and see if you think it looks worthwhile!). It's not a long term diet because it does cut out a lot of foods but I think you should give it a go for a month and you'll honestly notice the difference, it says to cut out all meat, fish, animal products completely but i think you're safe enough having fish once or twice a week. It'll make you tired the first week so be prepared for that but it goes away. It also gives a meal plan for everyday (which you don't have to follow but it's good for ideas on varying your diet) and has receipes for everything it suggests!

I heard about it from a friend and a few of mine have done it since i did after seeing my results so i think it works well for most!

and hey you can do anything for 28 days!

CalmDown...

all your questions are covered in the book by the way

rocky

CalmDown... wrote: »

carol voderman 28 day detox

...you're as free as a bird.

Fad diet.

you're free to gain the weight back ?

CalmDown...

You won't go back to eating the same way, like i said i did it a year ago and i haven't gained anything back. It just makes you aware of what you eat.

Look the guy asked for help and i suggested it because he's goal orientated and it worked for me and a few of my friends.

rocky

You suggested many things... No fat, no eggs, yes Flora, yes plant fat (Omega 6?), no animal fat (EPA/DHA , saturated fat ), and Carol has a few suggestions of her own - do not eat animal meat?? for detox??

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CalmDown...

stop attacking me personally. The point of the thread is to make suggestions for him not to shoot down mine. It was just a suggestion and something i found good, he can make his own decision

rocky

Calm down CalmDown...

I wasn't attacking you, only pointing out some of your recommendations that are not very good.

TommyKnocker

@Rover2001: If you want to achieve healthy sustainable weight loss while eating foods that are healthy, tasteful & nutritious then honestly (with all due respects to the posters) you should ignore the advice to eat nothing but FAT for a month or start the Carol Vorderman Detox diet, as both of these regimes are leaving out whole food groups and in the long run are not sustainable.

From breing on these boards for a while now it would be my opinion that the folks on this thread who have posted and who you should listen to most are EileenG, Metamorphosis & rocky. I have always found the information given out by these posters to be up to date and top notch.

Finally you need to drop the diet mentality. "Going on a diet" comes across as a temporary change in your eating habits to attain a goal, and once that goal is attained, the "Diet" will be stopped and you will revert back to your old eating pattern. The eating patteren which got you to where you are presently.

What you need to do is to change the way you eat for good. A life style change, so that you can matain not only a healthy weight, but also a healthy body with a healthy ratio between body fat and lean tissue.

@calmdown: With all due respect and this is not a personal attack, but the information you posted in this thread is IMHO bogus, unless you can provide links to clinical trials by respected people in the field of nutrition to back up your points.

Also the fact that you initially thought that Flora was a better alternative to Butter along with your statement on Sat Fats and recommending a so called Detox diet that eliminates animal sourced protein and appears to be lowish in healthy fats, leads me to think that you may not be in tune with the latest thinking on healthy nutrition.

The Special K diet will work. Is it healthy and sustainable? Well it may be sustainable for some but it would definately not be considered healthy.

OP: no special k is not better and cornflakes are not better.
i'd nearly say weetabix maybe?
definitely no more biccies !

how about toast or eggs?

EileenG

rovers2001 wrote: »

Thanks for the replies guys.Just one or two questions on the comments if i may

Can i eat low fat cheese?
Is special K better than Corn Flakes?Hate Porridge:eek:
Regards biscuits are rich tea not a light bisciut??
Im a Guinness drinker should i change to say Corrs light and obviously lower my intake of alcohol?.Thanks to "Calmdown" for recommending The Vorderman diet thats exactly what im looking for some goals to aim for im usually good at that.
Anyway thanks again and if anymore advice for me it be greatly recieved:)

You can eat low fat or full fat cheese.

Special K is crap, even worse than cornflakes. If you must eat cereal, go for plain porridge.

Cut out all the biscuits, none of them are good for you.

Cut back on alcohol, but Guinness is not the worst drink out there. Plus, it's very easy to nurse a pint for a long long time.

You don't need to detox, that's what your liver does. Stop abusing it and you'll be fine.

rovers2001

Hi Guys
Once again thanks for all the replies and help and sorry if one or two of you are disagreeing over certain diets that maybe suitable/or not for me.Im actually going to make an appointment with a dietician and bring a list of all foods that i like and see if they can possibly help me along...im brutal at all this stuff.But im now heading into my tenth day without any rubbish and huge decrease in alcohol so heres hoping..... so thanks again.Enjoy your St Patricks day.

rovers2001

Hi Guys...
Just an update on My First Diet.In Three weeks iv lost 7lb which im delighted about basically by cutting out the rubbish.Im finding weekends very hard as during week in work its so easy.Anyway have an appointment with a dietician tomorow evening so hopefully will learn more and get the balance of my foods right....wish me luck:)

rovers2001

After a month of dieting my weight now stands at 15st 8lb from 16st 7lb.To say im delighted is an understatement:D.I basically cut out all rubbish ...Chocolate,Crisps,Biscuits,Takeaways,White bread,Lemonade and cut down big time on Alcohol intake and also excercising more(Walking).I also seen a Dietician who gave me some hints and Foods to try.Thanks for the early help on this thread to give me the boost to get started now its up to me to keep it going:)

rovers2001

Now 14st 12lb at the minute but dietician told me my protein needs to be upped.

groovyg

Thats a great result, it looks like your are on the right track. Well done so far. Do you do any sports to stay active and keep the weight down?

gavtron

awesome work man that's nearly 2 stone in 2 months and no drastic measures needed by the sounds of things!

well done keep it up!

flikflak

Just wanted to say well done! Thanks for posting your updates - its good to hear someone changing their lifestyle rather than `going on a diet`. It really is the only way to do it!

Keep up the good work

rovers2001

Hi Guys
Thanks for the nice comments.Regards excercise yes i play over 35s football once a week and train once a week.I walk as much as possible now but biggest change has come in the Junk food.I dont eat any takeaways at all...sorry tell a lie:) have had maybe two in ten weeks.Have cut out chocolate crisps and biscuits and white bread altogether and only have a few drinks at weekends and dont eat after 7pm if i can help it.As i said before monday- friday is easy as im so busy in work its easy to forget about it but still struggle at weekends.
My dietician is very good and has put me on the right road.She doesnt force me regards food but does get into your head regards lifestyle changes and has told me that i will plateaux out which is happening now as the weight loss is starting to slow down.But she told me to keep going as i am and it will come down again after a week or two.
Best of luck to anyone else out there trying to lose weight not easy but definately do-able.

pecker1992

congrats .....on another note if this whole butter/low fat spread thing is confusing you as much as it did me.....the try spreading full fat cottage cheese on your bread with a little black pepper...it has the fat (not to much though) & it most certainly has the protien ..win win imo

rovers2001

pecker1992 wrote: »

congrats .....on another note if this whole butter/low fat spread thing is confusing you as much as it did me.....the try spreading full fat cottage cheese on your bread with a little black pepper...it has the fat (not to much though) & it most certainly has the protien ..win win imo

Hi Pecker1992
Funny you should say that and yes your bang on butter was a big problem for me.Dietican told me to try ...The laughing Cow cheese and that seems to be working.And its nice too much better replacement for Butter.

groovyg

I agree you are likely to lose it at a slower rate from now on. I know this from a friend who was about five stone overweight, he lost loads in the first few weeks and then it flattened out and this is the point where alot of people get fed up and despondent, the trick is to keep at it and don't give up.
Remember you didn't put on the weight overnight so its going to take a while to get down to your goal weight. If it takes six months to a year to lose it then so bit it, you are more likely to keep the weigh off an maintain a healthier lifestyle if you do it slowly. Crash diets just don't work in the long term.

You are also allowed to treat yourself once in while so the odd takeaway, chocolate bar etc ain't so bad.

boogle

Congrats rovers, well done! It's great to hear you're doing well.

rovers2001

14st 10lb.definate slow down finding bit more difficult now but still heading in right direction suppose.with dietician tonight fat down 1% muscle up 3%.need more protein she says and more water.anyway sure i keep going....what the hell:-)

rovers2001

14st 7lb.Delighted to the point that i have dropped down a waist size in trousers:):)and without getting too excited even there a bit loose:D.Not sure if its the diet or not but have felt very weak the last couple of days for some reason must say it to dietician next time im there.She keeps telling me protein protein protein.......which i know im not eating enough of.3mile walk each night is also helping.Good luck to anyone else trying to lose weight at the moment.

Gummy Panda

Awesome stuff man!

I'm sure your confidence must be soaring now.

rovers2001

Thanks Gummy Panda...fantastic username by the way.Yeah feeling much more confident about myself now would love to go another stone which is my aim so wish me luck.Thanks for the help and support on here too from everyone.

ClareVisitor

Top stuff rovers2001, keep at it fella. I did about a stone and a half a year or so ago (14 1/2 st to 13 st) just by cutting out the junk food, most of the drink and making sure I got myself down the gym three times a week. After not being so strict for a while I put back on a few pounds (was 13st 5lbs this morning) and I'm starting again today, the aim is to be 12 1/2 st by mid August, so about 1lb per week for 12 weeks.

I found it fairly straightforward last time by just eating and exercising sensibly, sounds like you're going great guns without going mad which I think is the best way to do it.

rovers2001

ClareVisitor wrote: »

Top stuff rovers2001, keep at it fella. I did about a stone and a half a year or so ago (14 1/2 st to 13 st) just by cutting out the junk food, most of the drink and making sure I got myself down the gym three times a week. After not being so strict for a while I put back on a few pounds (was 13st 5lbs this morning) and I'm starting again today, the aim is to be 12 1/2 st by mid August, so about 1lb per week for 12 weeks.

I found it fairly straightforward last time by just eating and exercising sensibly, sounds like you're going great guns without going mad which I think is the best way to do it.

Hi Clarevisitor
Thanks for the reply.Yeah thats exactly what i did cut out junk food and excercise alot more.Cut down to drinking just at weekends whereas before it was couple cans every night.Would love to get to 14st would be delighted with that.Dietician is very helpful too and probably wouldnt of kept it up but for her knowing that i have to keep going back makes me do it.All the best in your endevours to getting back to 12 1/2 stone no bother to ya.

rovers2001

Hi Guys..
Just an update before i jet off on my Hols:).14st 3Lb:D Only problem is i promised the missus we let our hair down while away eat drink and be merry but i dont want to over indulge either and take a step back....Ah sure you gotta live as well suppose:P Talk soon.

gavtron

way to go man! ENJOY your holiday and get back on track when you get home!

Mars Bar

rovers2001 wrote: »

Hi Guys..
Just an update before i jet off on my Hols:).14st 3Lb:D Only problem is i promised the missus we let our hair down while away eat drink and be merry but i dont want to over indulge either and take a step back....Ah sure you gotta live as well suppose:P Talk soon.

This thread has brought a smile to my face.

Really well done to you rover2001.

rovers2001

14St on the button.Much much tougher now losing weight as it is much slower but keeping to diet and drinking to a minimum.Target is 13st 7lb that be 3 stone lost.Bit to go yet;)

rovers2001

13st 9lb only 2lb to go to my target weight.Back playing o35s football and training so that has accelerated the weight loss with the excercise:).Be exactly 5 months on saturday since i started this.

groovyg

That's brilliant you must be flying around the football pitch now that extra 3 stone is gone:) good work

rovers2001

groovyg wrote: »

That's brilliant you must be flying around the football pitch now that extra 3 stone is gone:) good work

Thanks groovyg would you believe i pulled a hamstring first night back cant win in life can you

groovyg

ah thats bad luck hope you are on the mend soon. Just back from injury myself and its a pain when you can't do stuff. Take it easy and ease back in gently.

gavtron

that is serious going lad fair play to you! you're an inspiration for other people on here showing what a little bit of hard work and dedication can do. no need for fad diets, just common sense!

well done!

SheRa

The title of the thread caught my eye and I thought, ah no, your first diet, you cant think of it like that, but instead as a lifestyle change. However you have completely embraced it as a lifestyle change.

FFS to you losin 3 stone, you should be very very proud of yourself. Id imagine that you dont know yourself with your stamina and levels of fitness .

Its very refreshing to see an OP looking for help with their diet that doesn't resort to some mad faddy diet, fair play to you.