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    #32
    invinciblePRSTV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭invinciblePRSTV


    Byron85 wrote: »
    During the No Campaign that myself and Eliot ran, he didn't trying to engage with us until the evening that the polls closed. Before then he said, and I quote, "Some people like to cause hassle and/or say no". As president of the S.U, that is a shockingly dismissive attitude to take with people, and students whom he is/was supposed to represent, who had legitimate concerns about the issue. It's worth noting that the only person to actually approach us about our concerns and not dismiss us was Eoghan Healy, the person that was elected as Comms officer.

    To be fair on KOB, why should he seriously entertain the wacky notions of the fringe libertarian element of UCC?.


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    #33
    Byron85
    Registered Users Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭Byron85


    invinciblePRSTV wrote: »
    To be fair on KOB, why should he seriously entertain the wacky notions of the fringe libertarian element of UCC?.

    Fringe libertarian?? I'm not in the least bit libertarian. And if I was, why would he entertain us? Well, because that's his job. He's there to represent us all. And for the record, 1,312 people who voted no isn't a "fringe element". Nice of you to try dismissing genuine concerns though.


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    #34
    invinciblePRSTV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭invinciblePRSTV


    Byron85 wrote: »
    Fringe libertarian?? I'm not in the least bit libertarian. And if I was, why would he entertain us? Well, because that's his job. He's there to represent us all. And for the record, 1,312 people who voted no isn't a "fringe element". Nice of you to try dismissing genuine concerns though.

    Look don't be an idiot, there's no need for selective quoting to suggest i considered the 1312 who voted no as the fringe element or that i'm dismissing ''genuine concerns''. In fact as one of those 1312 who did vote no i am amused by your attempt to speak on behalf of us who did vote no, stop that now ya hear. A couple of posters & a youtube video doesn't entitle you to speak on behalf of anyone.

    As for KOB, what were the circumstances where he delivered this dismissive comment to ye? on the street, at hustings?


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    #35
    Byron85
    Registered Users Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭Byron85


    invinciblePRSTV wrote: »
    Look don't be an idiot, there's no need for selective quoting to suggest i considered the 1312 who voted no as the fringe element or that i'm dismissing ''genuine concerns''. In fact as one of those 1312 who did vote no i am amused by your attempt to speak on behalf of us who did vote no, stop that now ya hear. A couple of posters & a youtube video doesn't entitle you to speak on behalf of anyone.

    As for KOB, what were the circumstances where he delivered this dismissive comment to ye? on the street, at hustings?

    It doesn't entitle you to speak for anyone either but myself and Eliot were the one's who organised the campaign when nobody else did. Also, when the results of the other referenda held on the day are compared to the Comms referendum, there's a clear difference in the numbers that voted no. Of the three other referenda held, the no votes ranged from 366 to 478. When it comes to the Comms referendum however, the no votes came to 1,312 which is a clear difference. So it is pretty fair to say that we did have some effect on the student population and I would argue that we would be able to speak for the people voting no, generally.

    As for Keith, he said it on the Yes Campaign's facebook page.


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    #36
    deisedude
    Registered Users Posts: 4,836 ✭✭✭deisedude


    ReacherCreature wrote: »
    4041 votes. Anyone else think that that's an awful turnout?

    Just wondering did anyone here in their final year vote. I noticed many of my class and final years in other classes just didnt bother as it doesnt really affect them next year. I was similarly apathetic and only voted because i knew one of the candidates


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    #37
    KnifeWRENCH
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    invinciblePRSTV wrote: »
    Look don't be an idiot

    And don't address other posters implying that they're idiots.

    Some bad tempered comments on this thread. Stay civil to each other.


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    #38
    John Sugrue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 87 ✭✭John Sugrue


    invinciblePRSTV wrote: »
    To be fair on KOB, why should he seriously entertain the wacky notions of the fringe libertarian element of UCC?.

    Hypocrite! I quote your good self: "This is the lamest character assasination attempt i've ever read".


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    #39
    Aodan83
    Registered Users Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭Aodan83


    As president of the SU, and one of the leading proponents of the Yes vote, it was surely Keith's job to address the fears of anyone who was considering voting no.

    @Deisedude: I'm not too surprised by that tbh. A lot of people wouldn't vote if it didn't affect them. And I'm sure a lot of final year students are fairly busy this time of year anyway so I wouldn't be surprised if a lot didn't vote just out of not having the time.


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    #40
    invinciblePRSTV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭invinciblePRSTV


    KnifeWRENCH wrote: »
    And don't address other posters implying that they're idiots.

    When someone attempts to misrepresent my comment then they will be called on it, get over itrolleyes.gif.
    John Sugrue wrote: »
    Hypocrite! I quote your good self: "This is the lamest character assasination attempt i've ever read".

    Not really, one of the 2 members of the no 'campaign' is a self professed libertarian, the kinda person who is ideologically opposed to the concept of a students union in general. Lame character assassination is having a little cry about someone's facial hair and the like.


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    #41
    KnifeWRENCH
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    invinciblePRSTV wrote: »
    When someone attempts to misrepresent my comment then they will be called on it, get over itrolleyes.gif.

    And when someone responds like that to a moderator request, they get infracted. Funny how this internet thing works, isn't it?

    Tone down the attitude or get banned. Your choice.


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    #42
    2mature
    Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭2mature


    It ssems some people have nothing better to do than be petty for the sake of it...I used this forum at the start of the year looking for subject advice and was nearly attacked by a certain person on this page...now they can't take it when someone once again doesn't see everything their way....sadddd:(


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    #43
    Eliot Rosewater
    Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭Eliot Rosewater


    invinciblePRSTV wrote: »
    Not really, one of the 2 members of the no 'campaign' is a self professed libertarian, the kinda person who is ideologically opposed to the concept of a students union in general.

    What utter rubbish.


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    #44
    maglite
    Registered Users Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭maglite


    invinciblePRSTV wrote: »
    To be fair on KOB, why should he seriously entertain the wacky notions of the fringe libertarian element of UCC?.


    Central Sheep being the alternative? 1/4 of a voting population voting against something should been seen as a large group with a legitimate concern, to not engage was at least insulting and the condescending statements were not appreciated.

    Personally I think a lot of what the SU do is a waste. They are terribly inefficient. They are really just a testing ground for future politicians. I have yet to see a candidate run on a competency ticket. I want to know why they are the right choice, not just try and fob me off with candy and say they will do this that and the other.


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    #45
    invinciblePRSTV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭invinciblePRSTV


    Eliot Rosewater wrote: »
    What utter rubbish.

    So you are supportive of the concept of a Students Union? with elected members and mandatory contributions from the student population? an odd position to take for a Libertarian that's for sure.
    maglite wrote: »
    Central Sheep being the alternative? 1/4 of a voting population voting against something should been seen as a large group with a legitimate concern, to not engage was at least insulating and the condescending statements were not appreciated.

    Personally I think a lot of what the SU do is a waste. They are terribly inefficient. They are really just a testing ground for future politicians. I have yet to see a candidate run on a competency ticket. I want to know why they are the right choice, not just try and fob me off with candy and say they will do this that and the other.

    Wtf is central sheep? and i'm not sure what you mean by insulating either?
    2mature wrote: »
    It ssems some people have nothing better to do than be petty for the sake of it...I used this forum at the start of the year looking for subject advice and was nearly attacked by a certain person on this page...now they can't take it when someone once again doesn't see everything their way....sadddd:(

    Who was it 2mature? i'll sort them out for ya!


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    #46
    Eliot Rosewater
    Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭Eliot Rosewater


    invinciblePRSTV wrote: »
    So you are supportive of the concept of a Students Union? with elected members and mandatory contributions from the student population? an odd position to take for a Libertarian that's for sure.

    I support freedom of association and the right of individuals to unite to pursue common goals. But freedom of association is a two-sided coin: you have the right to unionise and the right not to unionise. So I believe SU membership should be voluntary: students of UCC should not be forced to associate.

    I support the concept of a Students' Union. It offers a good means by which student concerns can be represented on academic bodies within the University and nationally. That I disagree with the particular anti-fees stance assumed by UCC SU does not change my general support of the concept. In fact I think the benefits of the representation the SU offers on UCC's academic bodies out-weighs the negatives of them pursuing a national political goal I disagree with.

    Finally, I personally think that UCC SU has assumed too much responsibility. I do not think it is the remit of the SU to be setting up nightclubs and organising ents generally.

    I don't see how any of this is odd for someone who believes in individual rights.


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    #47
    samf
    Registered Users Posts: 329 ✭✭samf


    Eliot Rosewater wrote: »
    I do not think it is the remit of the SU to be setting up nightclubs and organising ents generally.
    So you dont think there should be any SU organised entertainments, nothing planned any year for freshers week, no r&g week, no Arts ball, no comedians/gigs on campus, no nights out for international students when they arrive in UCC?

    Or do you just believe that these should be organised by some other body, and if so i'd ask who? Dont think for a minute the University would be capable of it (we all know their type of entertainment when they got Crystal Swing to play multiple open days). Also, in almost every college with an SU its they that organise entertainments, UCC has a full time and part time ents manager and updaid officer, so why shouldnt they be expected to fulfill this duty?


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    #48
    Eliot Rosewater
    Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭Eliot Rosewater


    samf wrote: »
    So you dont think there should be any SU organised entertainments, nothing planned any year for freshers week, no r&g week, no Arts ball, no comedians/gigs on campus, no nights out for international students when they arrive in UCC?

    In general no, I don't. Organising stuff for international students is an exception, as they're obviously going to find it hard to integrate into UCC.

    We just obviously have drastically different ideas of what Students' Unions exist for.


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    #49
    deisedude
    Registered Users Posts: 4,836 ✭✭✭deisedude


    You need some sort of student organised entertainment. Theres more to college life than staying in the library all day with your head in a book


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    #50
    Byron85
    Registered Users Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭Byron85


    deisedude wrote: »
    You need some sort of student organised entertainment. Theres more to college life than staying in the library all day with your head in a book

    That could probably be delegated to class reps to be fair. I mean, the societies do that much as it is, organising events, balls etc.


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    #51
    Eliot Rosewater
    Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭Eliot Rosewater


    deisedude wrote: »
    You need some sort of student organised entertainment. Theres more to college life than staying in the library all day with your head in a book

    As Byron says, no SU ents does not mean no ents altogether.

    As I said, I just disagree with a lot of people on what the SU should do. I wouldn't campaign for the kind of SU I'd like, because I respect that it's not what the people would want. The only problem is that there is no proper freedom of association in UCC, so I can't "vote with my feet". And there's no desire amongst those involved in the union to make it voluntary either.


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    #52
    samf
    Registered Users Posts: 329 ✭✭samf


    Eliot Rosewater wrote: »
    We just obviously have drastically different ideas of what Students' Unions exist for.
    That we most certainly do. But what I will say is what while you and byron clearly dont care much for having big acts on campus (i.e. acts costing over about 7k which would be too risky for any society to run), I'd be fairly confident that if you asked the students you'd find the vast majority see entertainment as a vital part of college life and probably the most popular part of the students unions functions.


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    #53
    Eliot Rosewater
    Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭Eliot Rosewater


    samf wrote: »
    That we most certainly do. But what I will say is what while you and byron clearly dont care much for having big acts on campus (i.e. acts costing over about 7k which would be too risky for any society to run), I'd be fairly confident that if you asked the students you'd find the vast majority see entertainment as a vital part of college like and probably the most popular part of the students unions functions.

    Yup, I don't dispute that at all. As I said, I don't have a problem with the SU organising events - my only problem is that myself and Byron can't opt out because there's no freedom of association.


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    #54
    confusticated
    Registered Users Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭confusticated


    Byron85 wrote: »
    That could probably be delegated to class reps to be fair. I mean, the societies do that much as it is, organising events, balls etc.

    The good thing about ents being organised by the SU though is that it's for all courses and classes and years, it's nice to socialise with people outside of your course or faculty too.


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    #55
    Byron85
    Registered Users Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭Byron85


    confusticated wrote: »
    The good thing about ents being organised by the SU though is that it's for all courses and classes and years, it's nice to socialise with people outside of your course or faculty too.

    I never thought of that actually but departmental events are never limited to to just members of that department. Good point though nonetheless.


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