The Official Cavan GAA Discussion thread.

Lemlin

tayto lover wrote: »

It would be hard to name a man of the match for either team.
The Cavan defence were good, some good blocks. The short hand-passing game is hard to watch at times i.e. 10 short passes and ending up going backwards in order to keep possession. The number of back passes was unbelievable. Oisin Minagh no. 4 was good I thought and Barkey no. 6. Conor Madden (22) won some great ball but did a lot of fumbling. Barry Reilly (11) was always available but his shooting in the first half was poor. He did score a few long-range frees in the 2nd half though.
Louth were 2 ahead with 12 mins remaining but Cavan reeled off 4 in a row.

How did Turloc Mooney do at full back? Hyland seems to be trying him there but it appears (from the Twitter feed) that he was taken off early in the second half so perhaps the experiment didn't work.

tayto lover

Lemlin wrote: »

How did Turloc Mooney do at full back? Hyland seems to be trying him there but it appears (from the Twitter feed) that he was taken off early in the second half so perhaps the experiment didn't work.

Didn't even notice him going off as i was in the clubhouse doing a wee job.
Louth had a big full forward, Eoin O'Connor, who was causing a lot of problems to the smaller Cavan backs but they doubled up on him.. It was probably a tactical change.

Lemlin

Cavan play Mayo in a challenge tomorrow in Mayo. Will be interesting to see how the lads fare against a team I'd see as one of the top 4, if not 3, in the country.

Lemlin

Cavan were leading Mayo 1-5 to 0-9 at half time but Mayo got a second goal at the start of the second half and its now 2-6 to 0-10.

Seems to be a decent game from what people are posting on Twitter.

Lemlin

Gone to pot second half. Mayo now have 5-12. Cavan 0-16.

Extremely poor to allow 5 goals, even in a challenge game.

Syferus

Cavan played a new 15 for the second half and were 0-10 to 1-5 up at HT. It'd be wrong to read much of anything into the FT score.

Lemlin

Syferus wrote: »

Cavan played a new 15 for the second half and were 0-10 to 1-5 up at HT. It'd be wrong to read much of anything into the FT score.

Thanks for that. Wasn't aware of it. I looked for the teams on Twitter but there was no mention of them anywhere.

Hammar

Teams with a few blanks

1st half
O Mara
McLoughlin
Dunne
Tighe
McEnroe
A Clarke
F Flanagan
D McKiernan
????????
M Reilly
J Brady
R Flanagan
Tierney
Dunne
?????

2nd Half
Millar
K Clarke
??????
??????
??????
Meehan
Podge
McCutcheon
D Reilly
Murray
B Reilly
M McKeever
N McDermott
Givney
Keating

Lemlin

Hammar wrote: »

Teams with a few blanks

1st half
O Mara
McLoughlin
Dunne
Tighe
McEnroe
A Clarke
F Flanagan
D McKiernan
????????
M Reilly
J Brady
R Flanagan
Tierney
Dunne
?????

2nd Half
Millar
K Clarke
??????
??????
??????
Meehan
Podge
McCutcheon
D Reilly
Murray
B Reilly
M McKeever
N McDermott
Givney
Keating

Seems like neither were the definitive starting 15 and both were a mash up of players you'd expect to start against Fermanagh.

To be honest that's what I'd expect at this stage. The team have been very secretive so far with only two challenge matches so nothing is given away.

Canavan does his homework so keeping him guessing is the way to go.

Lemlin

Start of a big week for Cavan GAA.

The juniors play Longford on Wednesday. Sadly, Ross Sheridan is out of the game and it appears that Chris Conroy, who scored 1-2 in the Louth game and was MOM in the Ulster U21 final this year, may also miss out.

For the seniors, the game is going to go ahead in Brewster and there'll be multiple checkpoints along the way. Most people I've spoken to are aiming to be in Enniskillen at least an hour before throw in.

It doesn't look like Mossie Corr will make it which is a pity. We could have done with his physical presence at midfield.

I think Hyland will stick to probably the same starting 15. There's only a kick of the ball between the two teams and I think home advantage has to make Fermanagh favourites.

My only changes would probably be Killian Clarke into midfield and Damien Reilly into the back line so basically switch those two, which is just a positional change, and then start Jack Brady ahead of McDermott in the only player change.

People are calling for Martin Reilly to start but he and his namesake Barry could be good impact subs to have. I also wouldn't mind seeing Mark McKeever start as I expect a physical game.

scoopmine

First of all with all the disruptions for fans I really this game should have been moved out of Brewster.

There has been very little talk of Fermanagh which worries me and even though few Cavan fans are expecting a easy game there is a sense we are better than Fermanagh.

We need a big game from midfield and more primary possession. I would start with the same 15 bar injuries as the lads deserve their chance. I expect to see Barry Reilly come on as the type of game should should him. Also Declan McKiernan should feature coming on as his style and strength will be a bonas with Corr not likely to play. A lot depends on Keating as our ball winner in the final third he has really become a top class player but needs to be more aware of what is around and maybe stop the Hollywood shots.

Half backs McEnroe,A Clarke, F Flanagan we could not have 3 better players ready for a dogfight. Also with Martin Reilly, Mckeever and the previous mentioned players I would be confident.

Read on another site that Miller and Mooney dropped of the panel? Could just be rumours and I hope so.

celt262

scoopmine wrote: »

First of all with all the disruptions for fans I really this game should have been moved out of Brewster.

There has been very little talk of Fermanagh which worries me and even though few Cavan fans are expecting a easy game there is a sense we are better than Fermanagh.

We need a big game from midfield and more primary possession. I would start with the same 15 bar injuries as the lads deserve their chance. I expect to see Barry Reilly come on as the type of game should should him. Also Declan McKiernan should feature coming on as his style and strength will be a bonas with Corr not likely to play. A lot depends on Keating as our ball winner in the final third he has really become a top class player but needs to be more aware of what is around and maybe stop the Hollywood shots.

Half backs McEnroe,A Clarke, F Flanagan we could not have 3 better players ready for a dogfight. Also with Martin Reilly, Mckeever and the previous mentioned players I would be confident.

Read on another site that Miller and Mooney dropped of the panel? Could just be rumours and I hope so.

Cormac Reilly is referee for this game i would not be happy with that. You say there is no talk of Fermanagh well there is less of Cavan. All that is coming out of the Fermanagh camp is the amount of "Injuries" they have.

scoopmine

I would not be listening to the injury talk Peter will have every trick in the book used.

Not happy with that ref. My memories of him are the u21 semi and an awful performance..

Lemlin

celt262 wrote: »

Cormac Reilly is referee for this game i would not be happy with that. You say there is no talk of Fermanagh well there is less of Cavan. All that is coming out of the Fermanagh camp is the amount of "Injuries" they have.

I really don't understand that. There are referees all over the country so why appoint one from a neighbouring county where there is a well known rivalry.

Reilly gave us nothing in the U21 semi last year and I wouldn't be surprised to see the same this Sunday. It's a joke of an appointment.

celt262

Lemlin wrote: »

I really don't understand that. There are referees all over the country so why appoint one from a neighbouring county where there is a well known rivalry.

Reilly gave us nothing in the U21 semi last year and I wouldn't be surprised to see the same this Sunday. It's a joke of an appointment.

Have we had him in a Senior game since then?

Lemlin

celt262 wrote: »

Have we had him in a Senior game since then?

Not that I can remember but then I generally only attend the home league games or those in counties fairly close.

celt262

I see G8 protests going on in London at the minute, Enniskillen could be mental come Sunday.

tayto lover

Lemlin wrote: »

I really don't understand that. There are referees all over the country so why appoint one from a neighbouring county where there is a well known rivalry.

Reilly gave us nothing in the U21 semi last year and I wouldn't be surprised to see the same this Sunday. It's a joke of an appointment.

Some of my Kingscourt friends are not happy at all that Cormac Reilly is refereeing this game. They feel he has it in for Cavan.
Anyone know if a county can object to a particular referee being appointed to their game?

Hope Cavan win this.

Lemlin

tayto lover wrote: »

Some of my Kingscourt friends are not happy at all that Cormac Reilly is refereeing this game. They feel he has it in for Cavan.
Anyone know if a county can object to a particular referee being appointed to their game?

Hope Cavan win this.

Most of the county of Meath has it in for Cavan! There's always been a big rivalry there. It just doesn't make sense.

Referees from bordering counties shouldn't be refereeing games.

Hammer Archer

Lemlin wrote: »

Most of the county of Meath has it in for Cavan! There's always been a big rivalry there. It just doesn't make sense.

Referees from bordering counties shouldn't be refereeing games.

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. I've no doubt that there's a big rivalry between Cavan and people from, say, Oldacastle or Kells (I won't mention the stones) due to these places being close to the border.

But for most Meath fans further south and east, especially younger ones who wouldn't have witnessed Cavan at their peak, they wouldn't consider Cavan as rivals. For me, Dublin and Kildare would be the main rivals due to my proximity to both followed closely by Louth and then Westmeath. Those down towards Ballinabrackey would probably consider Offaly as rivals as well. As far as I know, Cormac is from the Donore area where Louth and Dublin would be the main two rivals I'd say. He may have been poor in the U21 semi final but I doubt it if it was because it was Cavan, especially seeing as ye were playing Cork.

And in a perfect world, referees from bordering counties wouldn't referee games. But in reality, this would put far too many constraints on appointing referees. For example, for Tipperary this would mean referees from nine counties (Tipp and the eight counties it borders) wouldn't be allowed referee their games, and that's without taking their opponents' bordering counties into account.

Lemlin

Hammer Archer wrote: »

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. I've no doubt that there's a big rivalry between Cavan and people from, say, Oldacastle or Kells (I won't mention the stones) due to these places being close to the border.

But for most Meath fans further south and east, especially younger ones who wouldn't have witnessed Cavan at their peak, they wouldn't consider Cavan as rivals. For me, Dublin and Kildare would be the main rivals due to my proximity to both followed closely by Louth and then Westmeath. Those down towards Ballinabrackey would probably consider Offaly as rivals as well. As far as I know, Cormac is from the Donore area where Louth and Dublin would be the main two rivals I'd say. He may have been poor in the U21 semi final but I doubt it if it was because it was Cavan, especially seeing as ye were playing Cork.

And in a perfect world, referees from bordering counties wouldn't referee games. But in reality, this would put far too many constraints on appointing referees. For example, for Tipperary this would mean referees from nine counties (Tipp and the eight counties it borders) wouldn't be allowed referee their games, and that's without taking their opponents' bordering counties into account.

There's a huge rivalry in all the border areas. And, to be honest, I have plenty of friends from Dunboyne and Clonee who would speak of a big rivalry with Cavan, mainly due to the amount of people hailing from Cavan in those areas.

It was last year's U21 final that Reilly referreed against Roscommon. Not this year's against Cork. I believe the official count was 54 frees given to Roscommon and 16 to Cavan. Cavan aren't a dirty team so there was no need for it.

He also had a great view of a blatant pulling down of Jack Brady in the square and didn't even give a free, let alone a penalty. The local paper ran stills showing it.

I don't agree with your point re bordering counties and it being too tough to find a referee. Even if Tipp who border nine counties are playing, you've still 22 counties worth of refs to pick from. There'll surely be one available from a county not bordering either.

Tom Joad

Would agree with Hammer that the rivalry is overplayed on this one - no offence but he is a sh1te referee who just happens to be from Meath.

Re the game itself I think the G8 and the discussion around the venue have taken the spotlight and pressure of Terry and the lads which is a good thing - pity Corr is not ready as it would be good to have him back in midfield as I don't rate Damien O'Reilly and feel his temperament could leave us a man shy at a crucial point. Canavan will be playing the injuries card all week but its fooling no-one.

I seen that even Terry Hyland felt the need to comment today on arrangements for the game and the confusion around security.

Its a shame as the focus should be on the game especially as the two teams are evenly matched and Ulster is the only province that is competitive this season. But that's the dinosaurs that are the Ulster Council for you :rolleyes: - they make Peter Robinson seem like a amenable broad and open minded chap.

I for one will be watching the game from the comfort of my sitting room as I have no interest losing a day getting into a match especially with a young child and I know an awful lot of Cavan and Fermanagh people feel the same.

Lemlin

Starting 15 named:

1. Conor Gilsenan (Bailieborough Shamrocks)
2. Jason McLoughlin (Shannon Gaels)
3. Rory Dunne (Redhills)
4. Killian Clarke (Shercock)
5. James McEnroe (Ramor United)
6. Alan Clarke (Kingscourt) Captain
7. Ronan Flanagan (Castlerahan)
8. Damien O'Reilly (Belturbet)
9. David Givney (Mountnugent)
10. Cian Mackey (Castlerahan)
11. Jack Brady (Ramor United)
12. Feargal Flanagan (Butlersbridge)
13. Niall McDermott (Ballinagh)
14. Martin Dunne (Cavan Gaels)
15. Eugene Keating (Saint Sylvesters)

It's the 15 that were named to start against Armagh. Only change was Killian Brady in for Jack due to injury. Jack came on for last ten minutes.

Tom Joad

Lemlin wrote: »

Starting 15 named:

1. Conor Gilsenan (Bailieborough Shamrocks)
2. Jason McLoughlin (Shannon Gaels)
3. Rory Dunne (Redhills)
4. Killian Clarke (Shercock)
5. James McEnroe (Ramor United)
6. Alan Clarke (Kingscourt) Captain
7. Ronan Flanagan (Castlerahan)
8. Damien O'Reilly (Belturbet)
9. David Givney (Mountnugent)
10. Cian Mackey (Castlerahan)
11. Jack Brady (Ramor United)
12. Feargal Flanagan (Butlersbridge)
13. Niall McDermott (Ballinagh)
14. Martin Dunne (Cavan Gaels)
15. Eugene Keating (Saint Sylvesters)

It's the 15 that were named to start against Armagh. Only change was Killian Brady in for Jack due to injury. Jack came on for last ten minutes.

It was inevitable that the same 15 would be named and barring injuries I would expect that this is the team that will take the field. Will be interesting to see the Fermanagh team and to see if all them injuries have healed .

Lemlin

The closer the weekend gets the more worried I'm getting to be honest. Bookies have Cavan at 4/5, Fermanagh at 11/8 so we're favourites. Looking at the Pools thread most people expect us to win. The game this weekend just seems to have an air of the Louth Wexford game about it. Everyone expected Louth to win and they didn't.

Putting the poor referee and sending off after eight minutes to one side, Fermanagh were the better team in the League match back in March. I know the scoreboard showed they were two points better at the end but we never looked like winning that game and were lucky that their forwards were poor in the second half or it could have been a significant loss. Last year against us they were the better team for most of the game until a Gearoid McKiernan wondershow allowed us to score 3-2 or 3-3 in the space of ten minutes and win the match. Gearoid isn't there this year and Fermanagh won't be as naive again.

I'd expect Fermanagh to play the same way this Sunday as in the League game. They will literally pack out the backline and there'll be plenty of cynical fouling and niggling at players. There'll be very little or no room to move for our forwards. If you're a neutral, I wouldn't be expecting much of a game to watch. I think Jack Brady could be key. He's capable of a huge performance but he hasn't produced it in a senior jersey for Cavan yet.

The whole issue re the G8 is a farce as well. I know people who haven't missed a Cavan game in years that won't be attending because of the travel arrangements. There's talk of 4 to 5 checkpoints along the way and supporters have been told to allow at least an extra hour for travelling. When the game is on television, its put plenty of people off. Fair enough Fermanagh were due a home game so it should have been moved to a different weekend.

dxhound2005

Lemlin wrote: »

The closer the weekend gets the more worried I'm getting to be honest. Bookies have Cavan at 4/5, Fermanagh at 11/8 so we're favourites. Looking at the Pools thread most people expect us to win. The game this weekend just seems to have an air of the Louth Wexford game about it. Everyone expected Louth to win and they didn't.

Putting the poor referee and sending off after eight minutes to one side, Fermanagh were the better team in the League match back in March. I know the scoreboard showed they were two points better at the end but we never looked like winning that game and were lucky that their forwards were poor in the second half or it could have been a significant loss. Last year against us they were the better team for most of the game until a Gearoid McKiernan wondershow allowed us to score 3-2 or 3-3 in the space of ten minutes and win the match. Gearoid isn't there this year and Fermanagh won't be as naive again.

I'd expect Fermanagh to play the same way this Sunday as in the League game. They will literally pack out the backline and there'll be plenty of cynical fouling and niggling at players. There'll be very little or no room to move for our forwards. If you're a neutral, I wouldn't be expecting much of a game to watch. I think Jack Brady could be key. He's capable of a huge performance but he hasn't produced it in a senior jersey for Cavan yet.

The whole issue re the G8 is a farce as well. I know people who haven't missed a Cavan game in years that won't be attending because of the travel arrangements. There's talk of 4 to 5 checkpoints along the way and supporters have been told to allow at least an extra hour for travelling. When the game is on television, its put plenty of people off. Fair enough Fermanagh were due a home game so it should have been moved to a different weekend.

I agree that the game should have been postponed for a week. But now that it is going ahead I don't know why you would describe the arrangements as a farce. Maybe they will turn out to be in retrospect but asking people to allow an extra hour and to expect to walk for about 15 minutes seems reasonable enough to me in the circumtances.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/cavan-urge-fans-not-to-let-g8-stop-them-travelling-for-enniskillen-clash-29337973.html

http://ulster.gaa.ie/2013/06/fermanagh-v-cavan-event-ticketing-info/

Lemlin

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I agree that the game should have been postponed for a week. But now that it is going ahead I don't know why you would describe the arrangements as a farce. Maybe they will turn out to be in retrospect but asking people to allow an extra hour and to expect to walk for about 15 minutes seems reasonable enough to me in the circumtances.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/cavan-urge-fans-not-to-let-g8-stop-them-travelling-for-enniskillen-clash-29337973.html

http://ulster.gaa.ie/2013/06/fermanagh-v-cavan-event-ticketing-info/

I meant the situation is a farce in that the game should have been moved or alternative arrangements made. The G8 is lasting four or five days so the game could have happened on a different weekend.

The juniors lost 12 points to ten to Longford in Longford this evening. We made the Leinster final the last three years running so its a pity.

Tom Joad

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I agree that the game should have been postponed for a week. But now that it is going ahead I don't know why you would describe the arrangements as a farce. Maybe they will turn out to be in retrospect but asking people to allow an extra hour and to expect to walk for about 15 minutes seems reasonable enough to me in the circumtances.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/cavan-urge-fans-not-to-let-g8-stop-them-travelling-for-enniskillen-clash-29337973.html

http://ulster.gaa.ie/2013/06/fermanagh-v-cavan-event-ticketing-info/

I think farce is quite a mild word to describe this. I will be shot down for this but am going to nail my colours to the mast here.

1. Fermanagh are blameless in this matter - they were quite willing to change weekends and even were willing to concede home advantage on the game. This had been discussed prior to the Cavan Armagh game.

2. The Ulster Council have refused to be budged on this and they are notoriously stubborn on issues such as this. Flexibility is not part of their lexicon.

3. The game is in the six counties where you don't exactly have a police force sympathetic to the GAA which adds to the issue and to be quite frank on this you can't really blame them - they need this game like a hole in the head - its quite a risk hosting the G8 in the North and they don't need this added workload - another masterful PR exercise by the GAA. :rolleyes:

4. Brewster is not the best located ground on the best of days - its always a bit of a walk on the best of days - a lot of Fermanagh support and the majority of Cavan support will be funnelled in the one route and as a concession they will open the gates at 10;45 am with nothing happened till throw in at 2 pm - gee thanks lads and you want 25 lids for an uncovered stand for the privilege..:eek::eek: Anyone that thinks an extra hour will cover this is simply deluded - this is going to be a clusterfúck of the highest order will huge tailbacks and people abandoning cars everwhere. Already I have heard of disruptions around Enniskillen from people only going up to do the shopping and its only Wednesday and security is only ramping up.

5. I for one won't be going and I know a lot of good Cavan and Fermanagh GAA people that feel the same way and I wouldn't be surprised if this game is abandoned or forced to be called off by a power greater than the GAA but I wonder is this what the Ulster Council want.

Rant over!!

Lemlin

Talking to a few Fermanagh folk today and they reckon the game going ahead is madness. Apparently Enniskillen is basically going to be a closed town at the weekend. All the shops are closing etc.

There's talk of about 15,000 protestors turning up as around that number generally turns up but the locals are expecting around 4,000 to 5,000 as Enniskillen isn't near the size of the cities the G8 would normally occur in.

To have the game going ahead there in that sort of environment is madness. Anyway, let the Ulster council press ahead.

Have to say I'm disappointed about the juniors. I didn't expect them to perform as well this year as they've lost players like Martin Reilly, Martin Dunne, Joshua Hayes, Declan McKiernan and Killian Brady but I was still hopeful they'd make the final.

It's a great competition and I can't understand why Ulster don't start a junior championship. It's certainly helped younger Cavan players make the transition from U21 to senior.

keane2097

Lemlin wrote: »

The closer the weekend gets the more worried I'm getting to be honest. Bookies have Cavan at 4/5, Fermanagh at 11/8 so we're favourites. Looking at the Pools thread most people expect us to win. The game this weekend just seems to have an air of the Louth Wexford game about it. Everyone expected Louth to win and they didn't.

Putting the poor referee and sending off after eight minutes to one side, Fermanagh were the better team in the League match back in March. I know the scoreboard showed they were two points better at the end but we never looked like winning that game and were lucky that their forwards were poor in the second half or it could have been a significant loss. Last year against us they were the better team for most of the game until a Gearoid McKiernan wondershow allowed us to score 3-2 or 3-3 in the space of ten minutes and win the match. Gearoid isn't there this year and Fermanagh won't be as naive again.

I'd expect Fermanagh to play the same way this Sunday as in the League game. They will literally pack out the backline and there'll be plenty of cynical fouling and niggling at players. There'll be very little or no room to move for our forwards. If you're a neutral, I wouldn't be expecting much of a game to watch. I think Jack Brady could be key. He's capable of a huge performance but he hasn't produced it in a senior jersey for Cavan yet.

Yeah the overreaction to the Armagh game has been lol from bookies and fans alike. Fermanagh were 7/4 for this at one stage which is an absolutely outrageous price for the home team in a game between two teams there's very little to suggest are operating on different levels.

Considering the vast gulf between the tactics Armagh employed last time out and those Fermanagh are likely to employ at the weekend the Armagh game is for all intents and purposes irrelevant. This should be a very close fought game, if you're a betting man there's no doubt Fermanagh are the value at the prices available.