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    #332
    Wanderer78
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    Azalea wrote: »
    And because he's a bad boy, a lad, "mad", all that sh-te (some men AND women think that stuff is great).

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mad-Bad-And-Sad-History/dp/1844082342

    comes to mind!


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    #333
    retro:electro
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    Azalea wrote: »
    It's not so much apportioning blame as considering it not entirely honest to depict Charlie Sheen, lowlife that he may be, as the only one with responsibility in the scenarios in question.

    Well they say he told them he was tested for std's and was clean, so what are they meant to do? Ask for proof? Who does that? In normal life people just take each other's word that they've got tested and they're clean. Only messed up people lie about that kind of stuff.


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    #334
    Azalea
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mad-Bad-And-Sad-History/dp/1844082342

    comes to mind!
    Oops, when I said "mad", I didn't mean mental illness! I meant more the way it's used about someone who's deemed great craic and reckless!


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    #335
    Wanderer78
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    Azalea wrote: »
    Oops, when I said "mad", I didn't mean mental illness! I meant more the way it's used about someone who's deemed great craic and reckless!

    strangely we re both talking about the same thing. ive been highly recommended this book for such subjects


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    #336
    Chain Smoker
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    Sleepy wrote: »
    Every time I read about Charlie Sheen, I feel sorry for his father. Every interview I've seen with him, and anyone I know who interacted with him during his time in NUIG gives the impression that Martin Sheen is a lovely man and could only be heart-broken by his son's self-destructive behaviour.
    I don't get why that guy gets such a free pass. It almost certainly is largely the result of Martin's sizable personal demons over the course of the 70s. His unwillingness to directly acknowledge that (he usually takes a holier than thou "I had problems too, if only he'd listen to me" attitude with some born again nonsense about the importance of faith) has always grated on me.


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    #337
    Letree
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    I hope now he has brought it out in the open he goes after the lowlifes who blackmailed him out of millions to keep it quiet.


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    #338
    Azalea
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    anna080 wrote: »
    Well they say he told them he was tested for std's and was clean, so what are they meant to do?
    Still use condoms. Unprotected sex with someone you don't know is, as should be well known 30 years after the AIDS scare hit its peak, very foolish, no matter what the other person says.
    I've never heard of it being the standard for people to take strangers' word for it that they've been tested and are clean, just that it would be ill advised to leave it at that.


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    #339
    NachoBusiness
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    Sleepy wrote: »
    Every time I read about Charlie Sheen, I feel sorry for his father. Every interview I've seen with him, and anyone I know who interacted with him during his time in NUIG gives the impression that Martin Sheen is a lovely man and could only be heart-broken by his son's self-destructive behaviour.

    Was at The Way premiere in the Savoy back in early 2011, which was the night after Charlie's winning interview aired in the states. Both Martin and Emilio were there and Martin was asked about Charlie towards the end of the Q&A and he was quite emotional. He seemed close to tears and just said that it's hard when you have someone you love so much that is in the grip of addiction but can't see it themselves. The next question was something like, 'Who would like to work with next?' and he said, 'Charlie'.

    Was hoping Bree was one of the women that Charlie was referring to when he said in the interview today that he had told certain women he could trust about his HIV diagnosis, but according to Bree (on Howard Stern today) she was not one of those women. If that's true, I have a lost a lot a lot of respect for the guy and I think she should sue him tbh, if that is, what she says is true. If he didn't have enough respect for her to let her know that she was having unprotected sex with someone with HIV, then why should she bother looking out for him for one second longer. IMO, she shouldn't. If he only ever had sex with her when using condoms though, that's somewhat different. Haven't heard the Stern show in full yet so not 100% sure as the quotes so far from the interview don't seem to make it clear if the the lambskin condoms were always used.

    Here is today's interview for those that haven't seen it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng5WSbZ9M08


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    #340
    ponzook
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    He was paid 1.8 million per episode in his final season of two and a half me. Winning! I actually quite enjoyed it and got some laughs from it. It's good and watchable and can relate to his lifestyle. Maybe it's not for everyone but each to their own. Better than a lot of ****e I watched but a lot of episodes were repetitive

    I'll just leave this here. He's a total frickin rock star! Charlie Sheen my idol

    <youtube>youtube.com/watch?v=9QS0q3mGPGg</youtube>


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    #341
    ThinkProgress
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    I don't think I could shake someone's hand if I knew they had HIV/AIDS... I guess that makes me a rotten person.

    I'm quite neurotic about germs, and HIV is the king of germs! (or at least it used to be and still has that stigma in many ppl's minds)


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    #342
    Samaris
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    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    I don't think I could shake someone's hand if I knew they had HIV/AIDS... I guess that makes me a rotten person.

    I'm quite neurotic about germs, and HIV is the king of germs! (or at least it used to be and still has that stigma in many ppl's minds)

    Iiiiit does make you rather hurtful to someone with it. It's absolutely not transferrable like that, and can you imagine how dirty you would feel if people refused to as much as shake hands with you?


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    #343
    ThinkProgress
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    Samaris wrote: »
    Iiiiit does make you rather hurtful to someone with it. It's absolutely not transferrable like that, and can you imagine how dirty you would feel if people refused to as much as shake hands with you?

    I don't shake hands with people that have a cold... so why would I be any more likely to do so with someone who has an incurable disease?

    I know it's unlikely, but it's not totally impossible to contract it by shaking hands... you have a cut, they have a cut. (slightly irrational, but that's the mind of someone who's neurotic about this stuff)


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    #344
    NachoBusiness
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    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    ... so why would I be any more likely to do so with someone who has an incurable disease?

    Because you can't catch HIV by shaking hands with someone?
    I know it's unlikely, but it's not totally impossible to contract it by shaking hands... you have a cut, they have a cut. (slightly irrational, but that's the mind of someone who's neurotic about this stuff)

    I haven't heard such nonsense in this context since the late 80's / early 90's. It was at least understandable then as people could be excused for being ignorant. There is no such excuse today however.

    Have you ever seen the film Philadelphia? Watch it. You might recognize yourself in one or two of the characters.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkpHalgTqpw


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    #345
    Samaris
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    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    I don't shake hands with people that have a cold... so why would I be any more likely to do so with someone who has an incurable disease?

    I know it's unlikely, but it's not totally impossible to contract it by shaking hands... you have a cut, they have a cut. (slightly irrational, but that's the mind of someone who's neurotic about this stuff)

    No-one can change your mind on this, and there's little point in really trying.

    But a cold -is- different, and I think we all know that. A cold is a temporary inconvenience that we all get at some point, that has no permanent social side-effects, that people don't look at you differently because you have. It's treated with vague sympathy (or mild slagging depending on the level of whining about it). It's also well-known to be extremely easily transmissable.

    HIV isn't easily transmissable. It's not transferable by skin-to-skin contact. The likelihood of you both having a cut is very remote and it'd be pretty obvious if you did. It's a bit like...refusing to shake hands with someone suffering from cancer. Something that little as refusing basic social contact with them is making them out to be a pariah and it's insult to injury.

    Having said that, phobias are hard to control. I hope that should the situation ever arise, the person realises it's your problem and not theirs.


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    #346
    Hammer89
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    He caught it from the air conditioner being too low on movie sets, proving that women aren't the only ones who suffer from it.


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    #347
    R.D. aka MR.D
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    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    I don't shake hands with people that have a cold... so why would I be any more likely to do so with someone who has an incurable disease?

    I know it's unlikely, but it's not totally impossible to contract it by shaking hands... you have a cut, they have a cut. (slightly irrational, but that's the mind of someone who's neurotic about this stuff)

    I really hope you are getting appropriate treatment for your neurosis because it must be quite serious if you think things like that.

    It's nearly as serious as one guy I heard of who used to make his girlfriend wash her hands in boiling hot water after she gave him a handjob just incase she got pregnant.

    Your doctor should be able to help you identify the things that you believe that are not realistic. You should tell him/her about this HIV thing because as another poster pointed out, your hangup could really upset a person who has a very serious disease.


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    #348
    petrolcan
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    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    I don't think I could shake someone's hand if I knew they had HIV/AIDS... I guess that makes me a rotten person.

    I'm quite neurotic about germs, and HIV is the king of germs! (or at least it used to be and still has that stigma in many ppl's minds)

    Slight contrast to your username.


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    #349
    retro:electro
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    Azalea wrote: »
    Still use condoms. Unprotected sex with someone you don't know is, as should be well known 30 years after the AIDS scare hit its peak, very foolish, no matter what the other person says.
    I've never heard of it being the standard for people to take strangers' word for it that they've been tested and are clean, just that it would be ill advised to leave it at that.

    They did use condoms. One lover said they used lambskin condoms but as I already stated earlier they don't prevent HIV transmission. But having told her he was clean she may have thought these were sufficent enough.


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    #350
    Seanachai
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    anna080 wrote: »
    He was in NUI when I was studying there. Very normal, unassuming man. Seemed very down to earth

    He does seem like a decent guy, it was hard to watch him falling off that building in 'The Departed'.


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    #351
    SQLDBA
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    Apparently one in every two and half men are HIV positive :p


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    #352
    Effects
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    Sounds like you don't really know that much about germs to be honest.
    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    I don't think I could shake someone's hand if I knew they had HIV/AIDS... I guess that makes me a rotten person.

    I'm quite neurotic about germs, and HIV is the king of germs! (or at least it used to be and still has that stigma in many ppl's minds)


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    Effects
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    R.D. aka MR.D wrote: »

    It's nearly as serious as one guy I heard of who used to make his girlfriend wash her hands in boiling hot water after she gave him a handjob just incase she got pregnant.

    Sounds like she had the problem there if she put up with that. She could have just refused to give the hand jobs.


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    #354
    RDM_83 again
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    anna080 wrote: »
    They did use condoms. One lover said they used lambskin condoms but as I already stated earlier they don't prevent HIV transmission. But having told her he was clean she may have thought these were sufficent enough.
    Candie wrote: »
    Latex allergy is very common, they're the alternative.

    Not true, there is many widely available in shops non latex brands that aren't made of sheep guts and prevent viral transmission. Its irresponsible to suggest that lambskin are a widely used alternative.


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    Effects
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    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    I don't shake hands with people that have a cold... so why would I be any more likely to do so with someone who has an incurable disease?

    I probably wouldn't speak to you if we were introduced. You sound like an asshole and if we exchanged words then I might end up catching it from you verbally.


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    brevity
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    R.D. aka MR.D wrote: »

    It's nearly as serious as one guy I heard of who used to make his girlfriend wash her hands in boiling hot water after she gave him a handjob just incase she got pregnant.

    Thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard.


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    #357
    NachoBusiness
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    anna080 wrote: »
    They did use condoms. One lover said they used lambskin condoms but as I already stated earlier they don't prevent HIV transmission. But having told her he was clean she may have thought these were sufficent enough.

    Indeed and that's why I feel bad for Bree. She has some responsibility for her own lifestyle choices, of course she does, but she was of the belief that her choices were informed ones, now it turns out they were not, well then that diminishes her responsibility to a large degree. If it's proven that Charlie was aware that Lambskin condoms do not adequately protect against HIV (and that he could have used polyurethane if he has a latex allergy) then without question is going to facing some lawsuits for knowingly putting people's lives in danger. It's America, they sue for a lot bloody less. Hard to know if Bree will sure, her anger could be temporary but she is fcuking seething.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKmWYxqjHak


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    #358
    R.D. aka MR.D
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    Effects wrote: »
    Sounds like she had the problem there if she put up with that. She could have just refused to give the hand jobs.

    She was basically in an emotionally abusive relationship but you're right I've no idea how she put up with it!

    He always seemed like such a normal guy. I'd met and hung around with them loads of times.
    brevity wrote: »
    Thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

    That isn't even half of it I'm afraid. They never had penis in vagina sex but he always accused her of being pregnant and made her show proof that she wasn't (you can work that out for yourself in all it's gory detail).

    He basically had no idea how women get pregnant. He thought just touching/sleeping in the same bed/blow jobs could get a woman knocked up.



    Anyway, my 2 cents on Charlie Sheen is that he seems like he has a lot of addiction and mental health problems. I feel sorry for his kids mostly. They are the ones who suffer and had absolutely no choice in how/to who they were born.


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    #359
    CruelCoin
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    Samaris wrote: »
    HIV isn't easily transmissable. It's not transferable by skin-to-skin contact. The likelihood of you both having a cut is very remote and it'd be pretty obvious if you did. It's a bit like...refusing to shake hands with someone suffering from cancer. Something that little as refusing basic social contact with them is making them out to be a pariah and it's insult to injury.

    Depends on the work. I work largely outdoors and have several outdoors hobbies, and i have cuts on my hands most of the time.

    If i knew someone had hiv, i wouldn't touch them without a hazmat suit first.


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    R.D. aka MR.D
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    CruelCoin wrote: »

    If i knew someone had hiv, i wouldn't touch them without a hazmat suit first.

    Oh sweet Jesus....

    I really hope the ignorance being shown in this thread is because the posters are in their 50's or older and it's just a hangover from the time when their was hysteria about the disease.

    You obviously have access to the internet, educate yourself.

    It's 2015 :mad:


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    brevity
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    R.D. aka MR.D wrote: »

    That isn't even half of it I'm afraid. They never had penis in vagina sex but he always accused her of being pregnant and made her show proof that she wasn't (you can work that out for yourself in all it's gory detail).

    He basically had no idea how women get pregnant. He thought just touching/sleeping in the same bed/blow jobs could get a woman knocked up.

    .

    Sounds like he was too young to be doing any of that business.


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