A world without money

investment

What would the world be like if there was no money??

El Guapo!

You'd probably have a different username..........

bnt

Like the world of Star Trek, of course. Whenever the Enterprise crew encountered money, it was on some backwoods planet with primitive tribes fighting over something inconsequential.

Pace2008

We would initially provide each other with goods and/or services in return for other goods and/or sevices, but eventually human ingenuity would come to the fore and we would devise some form of system where there would be a common, agreed...something...that could be exchanged for any and all goods and/or services.

W.Shakes-Beer

sex as a currency.

General General

Ireland would owe Germany 200 billion sheep.

questionmark?

see Ireland circa 2009 - 2020

Xivilai

I and many others on here wouldn't get laid

Terry

It would never work without Star Trek type replicators.
People are greedy by nature. Hippie ideals are moot.

Invent the replicator and you will have world peace within 10 years.
Until that happens, we're still going to keep killing each other.

aDeener

imagine

Overheal

Money is a much easier and standardised way to go about Bargaining. That you can conduct labor for one employer to receive money to spend at shops, is great. Otherwise every time you wanted to go out to a restaurant you'd have to mop their floors or clean their dishes. And if you want a steak you have to answer the phones for 17 minutes as well. If you sell shoes you make money that you can go to another store with to buy pants. It's essentially the same idea behind that whacky marxist/communism idea thing, but you know, more intelligent.

Trog

Nothing to kill or die for. And no religion too.

Logical Fallacy

Pace2008 wrote: »

We would initially provide each other with goods and/or services in return for other goods and/or sevices, but eventually human ingenuity would come to the fore and we would devise some form of system where there would be a common, agreed...something...that could be exchanged for any and all goods and/or services.

What, like money?

orourkeda

Xivilai wrote: »

I and many others on here wouldn't get laid

We would. It would just have to be procured using an entirely different payment system.

TanG411

Overheal wrote: »

Money is a much easier and standardised way to go about Bargaining. That you can conduct labor for one employer to receive money to spend at shops, is great. Otherwise every time you wanted to go out to a restaurant you'd have to mop their floors or clean their dishes. And if you want a steak you have to answer the phones for 17 minutes as well. If you sell shoes you make money that you can go to another store with to buy pants. It's essentially the same idea behind that whacky marxist/communism idea thing, but you know, more intelligent.

Bread for a shift.

Trog

The world would be less funky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCkLEo-DT1Q

Amhran Nua

You're talking about a post scarcity society there. Marxism and communism are a completely unhinged take on the idea, but it is quite achievable without gulags. The essential upshot is that the minimum bar for standards of living go through the roof compared to what we have today, so everyone gets to have a new car, but you still don't get your own personal fleet of ocean liners. The concept of ownership will still exist, but the failure of ambition will not come with a high penalty, if any.

Cybertron85

DerangedDreamer wrote: »

Bread for a shift.

Someone's been to Africa.

Cybertron85

Trog wrote: »

The world would be less funky.

Co-sign

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TecR_5-rQ4U

bonerm

Investment, there's no money. duh-nuh nuh-nuh-nuh
It's easier this way. duh-nuh nuh-nuh-nuh
Nothing to work or slave for. duh-nuh nuh-nuh-nuh
Nothing to owe or pay. duh-nuh nuh-nuh-nuh
Investment, all the people
Barter goods today!

You may say that I'm a schemer
But I'm not the only one
Perhaps one day you'll join us
As we carry out Project May-hum ..... ooooh-oooh where is my mind? oooh where is my mind.....?

Trog

Cybertron85 wrote: »

Co-sign


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TecR_5-rQ4U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETxmCCsMoD0

King me.

Cybertron85

Trog wrote: »

King me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6xkT7FMyTc

See your ABBA and raise you some Motown

doopa

There are several experiments in this direction right now. E.g. Lets schemes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Exchange_Trading_Systems

They generally require a high concentration of hippies in a large metropolitian area - Vancouver, Toronto, bits of Australia, the US and London (well Hackney).

Generally they are still working on the principle of the free market but with one crucial difference:

• Disclosure — information about balances is available to all members

I think this is the single most interesting aspect of them. You can criticise the rest of the ideas associated with LETS schemes for being hippy pie in the sky nonsense but that disclosure bit means that they have a more fully open market than anyone else allowing everyone to see the true cost of everything. Something that is currently missing/distorted in most/all markets we have. Hence the ability of more observant people to make money on traditional markets spotting inconsistencies in pricing.

TanG411

Cybertron85 wrote: »

Someone's been to Africa.

I think it was Cavan.

Adyx

If money didn't exist then somebody would invent it. The first thing people would do with a replicator is replicate money. It's human nature. Plus, people would still have to work, and even with free clothes, food, Internets, people still place a monetary value on their time. Would people really give up their spare time willingly, to work "for the benefit of mankind" instead of for something tangible? I couldn't honestly say that I would.

Trog

Cybertron85 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6xkT7FMyTc

See your ABBA and raise you some Motown

Quality tune!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsnA0ix9hZU

I'm thoroughly enjoying this exchange.:)

Aodan83

Terry wrote: »

Invent the replicator and you will have world peace within 10 years.

No, as soon as you do that people start replicating money, thus undermining every currency. The first thing that will happen is governments will rush to control the availability oh the technology. Eventually it will get out and either there will be more wars as governments rush to find something new that can grant them dominance over their neighbours, or there will be a cold war as every country will effectively have an infinite supply of weaponry.

Cybertron85

Trog wrote: »

Quality tune! I'm thoroughly enjoying this exchange.

Ditto, we're really scrapin' the barrel here, but looks like we made our point!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePzxmfXvWOw

BTW, no hiphop tracks,..that's just for the lazy man, too easy.

RussellTuring

I hope someone already posted this and I just missed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkhX5W7JoWI

Cybertron85

You remind me what a great track that Pink Floyd was, thumbs up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaNogNtT0zA

Trog

RussellTuring wrote: »

I hope someone already posted this and I just missed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkhX5W7JoWI

I CAN'T BELIEVE I FORGOT THIS! One of my all time favorites...

I'm really getting desperate here, but I refuse to pick a showtune...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6l5_FxjlaQ

Not gonna lie, I had a look through iTunes to find this.

PS. I agree with the hip hop rule, but am willing to waive it for mo' money mo' problems, simply because it fits the thread so nicely.

Cybertron85

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyeWRd7ZEBs

RussellTuring

Cybertron85 wrote: »

You remind me what a great track that Pink Floyd was, thumbs up

Had to be done.

OP, do you mean a world without money or one without capitalism? The two are related but different. I don't think money will ever be made obsolete as long as we still employ capitalism. While the nature of money will indeed change in the future, whether it be entirely in some electronic form or possibly some other we're yet to utilise, it will still have many of the same characteristics.

So I imagine the world would be quite different in some respects, with a large number of professions no longer of value, but will no doubt have others yet to be imagined to make up for them. People would still go to school/college/work/the pub, but would just do it for some other kind of abstract reward. Like fame, glory, fulfillment or fun.

Trog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pywqe01iOU

Stretching it?

Trog

RussellTuring wrote: »

People would still go to school/college/work/the pub, but would just do it for some other kind of abstract reward. Like fame, glory, fulfillment or fun.

I'd imagine a system where anyone who doesn't work gets 'Dickhead' tattoo'd onto their forehead would do the trick...

Cybertron85

Haha, absolutely grasping at straws now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TKQcWEXSKU

Trog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtyhWo8qngk

s3129

You wouldn't have the satisfaction of saving up to get something you really want and then buying it an looking at it thinking I worked my ass off for that, go me

RussellTuring

Trog wrote: »

I'd imagine a system where anyone who doesn't work gets 'Dickhead' tattoo'd onto their forehead would do the trick...

When the Revolution comes, I'm nominating you for the position of Artist at the Ministry of Tattoos.

digme

maybe you should rephrase your post to a world without usury.

Trog

This is off topic, but is your username an amalgamation of Bertrand Russell and Alan Turing? If so, I'm impressed.

I also demand a massive ministerial pension... AH ****e... there's no cash in this system...

RussellTuring

Trog wrote: »

This is off topic, but is your username an amalgamation of Bertrand Russell and Alan Turing? If so, I'm impressed.

It is indeed.

I also demand a massive ministerial pension... AH ****e... there's no cash in this system...

It's fine. Your pension consists of all the tattoos you want for the rest of your life.

And strippers.

Trog

RussellTuring wrote: »

It is indeed.

I'm impressed.

It's fine. Your pension consists of all the tattoos you want for the rest of your life.

And strippers.

Strippers eh? You've got yourself a deal.

Capt'n Midnight

A world without banknotes or coins would be like South Korea where you can use your mobile phone to pay for small purchases and cards for bigger ones.

digme

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

A world without banknotes or coins would be like South Korea where you can use your mobile phone to pay for small purchases and cards for bigger ones.

he's not on about the actual implementation of it :P

RussellTuring

Trog wrote: »

I'm impressed.




Strippers eh? You've got yourself a deal.

Brilliant. We just have to sort out the financing for the Revolution.

Turpentine

investment wrote: »

What would the world be like if there was no money??

Absolutely nothing would change. There would just be another system of thanks. That's all money is.

"Thanks for that haircut, you can have the trotters off this pig when it's slaughtered but you'll have to wait til then"

The Agogo

Turpentine wrote: »

Absolutely nothing would change. There would just be another system of thanks. That's all money is.

"Thanks for that haircut, you can have the trotters off this pig when it's slaughtered but you'll have to wait til then"

Only then will be truly see the thanks-whore:D

Amhran Nua

RussellTuring wrote: »

People would still go to school/college/work/the pub, but would just do it for some other kind of abstract reward. Like fame, glory, fulfillment or fun.

Or to avoid being sent to a Siberian concentration camp, eh comrade? :pac:

RussellTuring

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Or to avoid being sent to a Siberian concentration camp, eh comrade? :pac:

If we were to live in Stalin's Russia, Comrade.

RichieC

Money's a fine idea, the way the system is designed to funnel the wealth into fewer and fewer hands is not, eventually is will be reset, amicably or not so much. The more likely is the latter.