Bus Stop Authorisations

KD345

Riverston wrote: »

The Outer Ring Road itself is utterly underused.

There are plans for a new bus route to use this road in a later phase of Network Direct which may explain why they want that road clear of parked buses.

Riverston

KD345 wrote: »

The initial post complained that children were running from one bus to the next. This would still happen whether this was a regular bus stop, or the final bus stop. Even if the 151 was to move to the next stop, the 25a and 25b still serve this stop, so that problem remains.



Can this school bus not just let the children off at the stop you're suggesting?

Agreed that the kids issue is one that cant be legislated for. But its only one of the points that we have concerns about. Kids are kids and will probably be running across the road anyways. In saying that though, at this moment in time there is no other option for them. If they are dropped on one side of the road, they have no lights, wardens or crossings between them and the terminus. In addition the sight of a bus right in front of them would encourage them to hurry across the road if they felt that if was about to leave.

So what can be gained by moving it on one stop? Well for us there is just one major plus, that they could get off a stop earlier, which I dont see why they couldnt do at this point anyways, at the Moyglass busstop, and they would have a natural easier access to the lights/islands system of the road crossings at the junction. They would see the bus at the terminus and even if they wanted to run, they would be encouraged by the layout of the road and islands to actually use the lights.

Its not going to solve the entire kids crossing the road problem, but Id rather have a 40-60% solution than a dead or seriously injured kid. Maybe if the bus did a U-turn at the roundabout and came back onto the terminus side of the road it would help. And thats something we will address as well. But as important as the kids issue is, its not the whole argument.

Riverston

KD345 wrote: »

There are plans for a new bus route to use this road in a later phase of Network Direct which may explain why they want that road clear of parked buses.

Which I believe are linked to the opening of the Kishoge train station, which would be the perfect spot for all terminii in the area when operational. But also, the Outer Ring Road was planned to coincide with several other developments from what I have been told, including the Clonburris / Kishoge ones, as well as Adamstown, all of which have been shelved, delayed or not subscribed in as great a number as expected.

KD345

Riverston wrote: »

Which I believe are linked to the opening of the Kishoge train station, which would be the perfect spot for all terminii in the area when operational

The new service, Route 166, will link Tallaght to Liffey Valley. I'm not aware of any plans to open Kishogue Station any time soon.

Riverston

KD345 wrote: »

The new service, Route 166, will link Tallaght to Liffey Valley. I'm not aware of any plans to open Kishogue Station any time soon.

Your dead right about Kishogue, just did a quick info search and it looks like thats gonna be a wasted ghost station because of the shelving of all the initially proposed developments. So that would mean that the route 166 would share the terminus of the 151 if and when it comes into being. Two possibly three buses an hour. Is that classified as a major problem or safety issue? Would it cause traffic disruption? Maybe the experts can enlighten on any causes of concern.

foggy_lad

Riverston wrote: »

We are protesting, and have two court cases coming up.

My point was to make a prolonged visible protest, get people out onto the street! and get your greivance aired on radio and tv as well as the papers, nobody knows or cares much about the many court cases taken daily.

LXFlyer

Riverston wrote: »

Your dead right about Kishogue, just did a quick info search and it looks like thats gonna be a wasted ghost station because of the shelving of all the initially proposed developments. So that would mean that the route 166 would share the terminus of the 151 if and when it comes into being. Two possibly three buses an hour. Is that classified as a major problem or safety issue? Would it cause traffic disruption? Maybe the experts can enlighten on any causes of concern.

Route 166 is terminating at Liffey Valley Shopping Centre not Foxborough, and will not serve Foxborough Estate or Balgaddy Road, routing via St Lomans Road, Willsbrook Road and Castle Road before operating via Ballyowen Road, Outer Ring Road (serving Grange Castle en route) and Citywest to the Square.

Riverston

lxflyer wrote: »

Route 166 is terminating at Liffey Valley Shopping Centre not Foxborough, and will not serve Foxborough Estate or Balgaddy Road, routing via St Lomans Road, Willsbrook Road and Castle Road before operating via Ballyowen Road, Outer Ring Road (serving Grange Castle en route) and Citywest to the Square.

Sorry flyer, I was refering to the alternative position of the terminus should it ever get moved. I am aware that it will be an outer ring road service and thankfully by pass Foxborough totally.

BostonB

Riverston wrote: »

Recently Ive made some enquiries about a new bus stop which was installed close to where I live. As most of you would probably be aware, Dublin Bus require Garda and NTA authorisation prior to implementing new routes and new stops. However, despite extensive research to date, I have yet to uncover any documentation that has actually granted this authorisation....

When I had a problem with a bus stop I wrote to the Garda's and rang them, they didn't want to know, said it was nothing to do with them.

Anyway I pointed out all the reason why it was dangerous, (I assumed that it was a woeful location for residents would cut no ice) backed up with diagrams and photos, emailed to everyone, politicians, Garda etc, and CC'd the bus manager. Shortly afterward the bus stop was moved. I might still have letters relating to it. I must do some digging.

Riverston

BostonB wrote: »

When I had a problem with a bus stop I wrote to the Garda's and rang them, they didn't want to know, said it was nothing to do with them.

Anyway I pointed out all the reason why it was dangerous, (I assumed that it was a woeful location for residents would cut no ice) backed up with diagrams and photos, emailed to everyone, politicians, Garda etc, and CC'd the bus manager. Shortly afterward the bus stop was moved. I might still have letters relating to it. I must do some digging.

Cheers Boston, be interesting to see if you have anything different to what we have done so far.

BostonB

Found a letter or two. Basically I complained via a phone call, and they said they'd checked it with the Garda. Which made no sense to me because it was in a dangerous location. So I rang the Garda they said they had nothing to do with its location. So then I wrote a letter, to all explaining why it was dangerous possibly illegally close to a junction, also it was causing noise pollution. It was a terminus so buses were parking there. I said I'd be sending a copy to the Garda and the local council. In response I got a letter that they'd reviewed it and agreed with me, and it was moved shortly afterwards. So that suggests, it was never checked with the Garda in the first place.

Riverston

BostonB wrote: »

Found a letter or two. Basically I complained via a phone call, and they said they'd checked it with the Garda. Which made no sense to me because it was in a dangerous location. So I rang the Garda they said they had nothing to do with its location. So then I wrote a letter, to all explaining why it was dangerous possibly illegally close to a junction, also it was causing noise pollution. It was a terminus so buses were parking there. I said I'd be sending a copy to the Garda and the local council. In response I got a letter that they'd reviewed it and agreed with me, and it was moved shortly afterwards. So that suggests, it was never checked with the Garda in the first place.

Thats interesting to hear, and kind of backs up my point about DB and the validity of their authorisations. I wonder how many of their stops do have the full paperwork required. Anyone who has a problem with DB should check, you never know what you might find out, and if you couldnt get it moved.

Its also interesting that you did get it moved. Shows that there are others around the city that do have problems with DB too, not just the East Wall, Carpenterstown, Ashtown, Adamstown, Foxborough, Tyrrlestown, Blanchardstown and Tallaght residents. And also that if you front up to DB you can actually get a result. Cheers Boston.

BostonB

I think if you highlight a safety issue, in such a way, like a letter to a few bodies, so that there is a paper trial in case there is an accident. Then they are more likely to do something, than if its about something thats less likely to have them sued or reprimanded for lack of action.

LXFlyer

Riverston wrote: »

Shows that there are others around the city that do have problems with DB too, not just the East Wall, Carpenterstown, Ashtown, Adamstown, Foxborough, Tyrrlestown, Blanchardstown and Tallaght residents. And also that if you front up to DB you can actually get a result. Cheers Boston.

All areas that have had new bus termini/route changes in recent times....it does rather strike me (partly) as a crusade against having any new termini or bus stops anywhere near anyone's house or anywhere new.

antoinolachtnai

Well, there are two different problems here.

1. Location of stops/termini

2. Parking of buses

These are not really the same although they are related. You do not need to park at the terminus, but you do need to be able to park somewhere within half a mile or so of it.

There is generally a severe shortage of bus parking space in the suburbs, even the new ones. Resolving this problem is what is needed. This is really an issue for the local authority as much as the Garda and Dublin Bus.

Combined with this is the issue of slack (spare time between runs) in timetables. If you have a lot of slack, you need a lot of parking. We tend to have a lot of slack in Dublin, because journey times are so variable. Of course you still need parking, even if you reduce the slack, for rest breaks.

It is illegal to park a bus in a bus lane, just the same as a truck or a car. It (obviously) obstructs the flow of traffic.

BostonB

lxflyer wrote: »

All areas that have had new bus termini/route changes in recent times....it does rather strike me (partly) as a crusade against having any new termini or bus stops anywhere near anyone's house or anywhere new.

Its ineptitude that's picking these locations. The casual indifference to ineptitude its whats got this country where it is.

Well in my case they chose the narrowest part of the road, both sides of a T junction, and both stops (terminus) within 10 feet of a house, when they could have moved it 100m and been 100m further from the junction and at least 50m from a house. Eventually they moved it as described. The question is what muppet chose the first location, and why are there no checks and balances in the process to stop the muppet from picking the most dangerous locations imaginable.

In the above location theres a waste field that been empty for a least a decade. Not more than 1000m away, not near any houses, that could have been used as a turning/parking circle.

Riverston

lxflyer wrote: »

All areas that have had new bus termini/route changes in recent times....it does rather strike me (partly) as a crusade against having any new termini or bus stops anywhere near anyone's house or anywhere new.

Not all the areas Ive listed have bus stop or terminus issues, in fact most have service and route issues, which DB have so far refused to engage with local commuters on in a reasonable fashion. Which highlights the ambivalent attitude they have for their own customers.

This is not a crusade against new stops being put anywhere near houses at all, and Im at pains to get that point across. We already have two stops on the small stretch of road between all the houses, and this third stop is fine. We dont have an issue with it. Pull up, get on/off, move off. Thats grand, its perfect, it takes mere seconds and you're gone. Leave it where it is, even though there was already a stop that could be easily used. However we do have a concern with a bus idling for up to 15 minutes at all times of the day, and havent been given a stronger reason to alleviate the fears of the residents by not moving it.

LXFlyer

But as Antoin points out the fact is that for a bus service to work they have to park somewhere in order to give a reliable service. The question is where! You're never going to please everyone with this.

BostonB

Personally I don't think it that hard, or that they even try to find a good location. They just seem to plonk them wherever, with little logic to it.

Riverston

lxflyer wrote: »

But as Antoin points out the fact is that for a bus service to work they have to park somewhere in order to give a reliable service. The question is where! You're never going to please everyone with this.

But there is a world of a difference between stops and terminii. The stops arent what we are objecting to. Parking of a terminus shouldnt impact on a bus service, times and routes are what impacts the service. There are plenty of areas around our route and area that drivers are currently using on odd occassions in order for them to be able to keep their engines running to keep warm, including bus lanes and beside waste ground. So if they can do than at those times, why cant they move it to any of the positions they seem to be happy parking at now? Its not effecting service, not effecting reliability, not effecting residents when they park elsewhere...so why cant this be made a permanent solution?

BostonB

They run the engines in the summer at night too. For lights etc. Its more annoying then, because you probably in the garden in the evening or have windows open.

Besides which you can actually feel the bus running, through the vibration never mind hear it.

bmebme

Hi Riverston, I see you have plenty of knowledge on busstops, I have one right outside my house and have said it could stay if they just move the kerbing down a bit, I sent drawings in, so I can drive into my garden, this is the reply; You hire a competent contractor to move the kerbing and finance same.

monument

bmebme wrote: »

Hi Riverston, I see you have plenty of knowledge on busstops, I have one right outside my house and have said it could stay if they just move the kerbing down a bit, I sent drawings in, so I can drive into my garden, this is the reply; You hire a competent contractor to move the kerbing and finance same.

This is an old thread -- if you have a question could you please start a new thread to ask it. Thank you.

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