WTF? Developer gets elected for Wexford who owes €40,000,000

NakedNNettles

westendgirlie wrote: »

It's really depressing. Is there any reason to vote anymore?

There's plenty of reason to vote, to kepp effers like that out.

Of course the problem is people give up voting and this lad gets in again based on his core support.

Elections aren't just about voting for someone, they are about keeping chancers out too. Voters fail to see that.

NakedNNettles

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Wallace is a chancer but obviously has the gift of the gab because I have no other idea how he got himself elected.

Same as.

After all the country has gone through, destroyed by developers and bankers, the people of Wexford voted this lad into the Dail!!

I just couldn't understand it myself at the time but he hasn't only made fools of the Wexford voters.

Vincent Browne has given him plenty of unchallenged airtime too over the past two years to spout all his populist BS.

old_aussie

Congrats to the people who elected him to represent them.

pjmn

old_aussie wrote: »

Congrats to the people who elected him to represent them.

...and now I see that he doubled his and sons take from the business in 2008 albeit the company wa already in some financial difficulty at that stage. Could this be deemed reckless trading, and thus allow the courts lift the veil of incorporation, and thus make him personally liable for the company debts. I hope so ....

yore

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Had to laugh at the end of the segment on Newstalk this morning when they said something along the lines of there will be a delay is some of the proceedigns because he's heading off to Euro 2012. At least we know that the reason he cant pay the 2m is becaus ehe's on the breadline , stuggling to survive .:rolleyes:

He's saving whatever the fees are for Oatlands anyway after his son got expelled.

pjmn wrote: »

...and now I see that he doubled his and sons take from the business in 2008 albeit the company wa already in some financial difficulty at that stage. Could this be deemed reckless trading, and thus allow the courts lift the veil of incorporation, and thus make him personally liable for the company debts. I hope so ....

Same son by any chance?

2012: Son expelled from 5th year
-> http://www.independent.ie/national-news/four-boys-including-mick-wallaces-son-expelled-over-facebook-sex-claims-about-teachers-3110904.html

Wallace doubled his and sons pay in 2008

Company records show M&J Wallace paid the TD and his son, the only directors, €290,000 for the year ended August 2008, when it made a €2.6m loss. Their pay was up from €148,141 a year earlier.

-> http://www.independent.ie/national-news/how-wallace-doubled-pay-as-his-firm-was-going-down-drain-3132379.html


So much for charging VAT to his customers and keeping it purely to save his business so! I wonder if it was the same son? He'd have been in first year in secondary school in 2008. The article is a bit ambiguous whether they were paid 145k or 290k each. Not that it makes much difference. Even if it was a different, older, son, I'd wonder what he did to justify the drawing of such a salary from a company losing serious money and withholding money from the taxpayer....

Man of the people alright!:rolleyes:

yore

The other director's name, i.e. this son, is Sasha, and it seems this story was known about a fair while ago

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/wallace-i-face-ruin-2656616.html

Vizzy

true wrote: »

he is a public servant paid by the taxpayer now and can go on fancy holidays if he wants. Most of the private sector workers I know cannot afford holidays.

What a load of sh**te !

He owes this money from his private sector developer days, and the sooner people wise up and realise that Wallace and his ilk were the main contributors to the mess that we are in,the better.

jack presley

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0608/technical-group-whip-not-asking-wallace-to-quit.html

Can you imagine what she'd and people like Joe Higgins would be saying if this was a FF/FG TD?

micropig

jack presley wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0608/technical-group-whip-not-asking-wallace-to-quit.html

Can you imagine what she'd and people like Joe Higgins would be saying if this was a FF/FG TD?

Giz me sum of dat money Micka?

Guy:Incognito

jack presley wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0608/technical-group-whip-not-asking-wallace-to-quit.html

Can you imagine what she'd and people like Joe Higgins would be saying if this was a FF/FG TD?

Has anyone asked Joe what his opinion is on all of this? He's normally not shy offering one.

Qualitymark

Sappa wrote: »

Could we get some sort of petition or e signature to force this crook to resign,if I knew how to set one up I would,this is my tipping point I have had enough of this country and it's chancers.
Today I am ashamed to be Irish for the 1st time in my life,can you imagine what visitors or expats think reading this and nothing is being done while we get crippled by severe budgets and threats if we don't pay a 100 euro tax.

Hang on a second.

Mick Wallace did something really, really stupid: he got into financial trouble, and he tried to get himself out by underdeclaring VAT one year, with the intention of making the money back and paying it the next year.

Very stupid. And not honest. But not the kind of systematic crookery he's being accused of. And he is already paying back the money he owes to the banks. If he is made bankrupt, of course, he automatically loses his Dáil seat.

I don't know much about the guy, but I'm made uneasy by the baying mob armed with torches who are going after him at the moment. Let's stand back a little, calm down for a while, lads.

RayM

jack presley wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0608/technical-group-whip-not-asking-wallace-to-quit.html

Can you imagine what she'd and people like Joe Higgins would be saying if this was a FF/FG TD?

To be fair, the Taoiseach has been saying pretty much the same thing.

micropig

Qualitymark wrote: »

Hang on a second.

Mick Wallace did something really, really stupid: he got into financial trouble, and he tried to get himself out by underdeclaring VAT one year, with the intention of making the money back and paying it the next year.

Very stupid. And not honest. But not the kind of systematic crookery he's being accused of. And he is already paying back the money he owes to the banks. If he is made bankrupt, of course, he automatically loses his Dáil seat.

I don't know much about the guy, but I'm made uneasy by the baying mob armed with torches who are going after him at the moment. Let's stand back a little, calm down for a while, lads.

He ran on the ticket of not being corrupt- turns out he's just like the rest of them.

We have to get the ball rolling somewhere on convictions...oh and he's not the only one

c_man

Qualitymark wrote: »

Hang on a second.

Mick Wallace did something really, really stupid: he got into financial trouble, and he tried to get himself out by underdeclaring VAT one year, with the intention of making the money back and paying it the next year.

Very stupid. And not honest. But not the kind of systematic crookery he's being accused of. And he is already paying back the money he owes to the banks. If he is made bankrupt, of course, he automatically loses his Dáil seat.

I don't know much about the guy, but I'm made uneasy by the baying mob armed with torches who are going after him at the moment. Let's stand back a little, calm down for a while, lads.

What did you think about him taking taking pension payments from his workers and failing to actually put them in the pot? Man of the people indeed.

westendgirlie

Qualitymark wrote: »

Hang on a second.

Mick Wallace did something really, really stupid: he got into financial trouble, and he tried to get himself out by underdeclaring VAT one year, with the intention of making the money back and paying it the next year.

Very stupid. And not honest. But not the kind of systematic crookery he's being accused of. And he is already paying back the money he owes to the banks. If he is made bankrupt, of course, he automatically loses his Dáil seat.

I don't know much about the guy, but I'm made uneasy by the baying mob armed with torches who are going after him at the moment. Let's stand back a little, calm down for a while, lads.

Yes, he did do something really, really stupid and illegal and should resign his seat in the Dail because of this. How do you expect Ireland to be taken seriously again on a worldwide market if it's representatives are defrauding their own country?

If the shoe was on the other foot, what do you think Mick Wallace would be saying if the tax dodger were a member of another party? He was asked that question yesterday and he couldn't give an answer.

If Mick Wallace does not resign for this embarrassment, then it raises another question....... Is he in the Dail just for himself rather than for his country?

Qualitymark

c_man wrote: »

What did you think about him taking taking pension payments from his workers and failing to actually put them in the pot? Man of the people indeed.

Actually, I'm baffled by the fact that journalists haven't found any of these workers to talk to. And yes, I think failing to pay your workers' pension contributions is criminal.

c_man

Qualitymark wrote: »

Actually, I'm baffled by the fact that journalists haven't found any of these workers to talk to.

It was all over the news when he was brought to court and forced to pay


I think the opposition TDs are coming off very badly from all this. Higgns et al would be calling for the heads of any FG/Labour TD who did similar.

firstsport

How many of ye that are castigating Mick Wallace have paid the household charge
He couldnt afford to pay his tax so he didnt. I couldnt afford the charge/tax so I didnt pay it

micropig

firstsport wrote: »

How many of ye that are castigating Mick Wallace have paid the household charge
He couldnt afford to pay his tax so he didnt. I couldnt afford the charge/tax so I didnt pay it

That's what the garlic man thought:(

westendgirlie

firstsport wrote: »

How many of ye that are castigating Mick Wallace have paid the household charge
He couldnt afford to pay his tax so he didnt. I couldnt afford the charge/tax so I didnt pay it

He couldn't pay over VAT which was not legally his to keep but he could double the amount of drawings he paid himself and his son.

CruelCoin

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

Seriously... WTF!!!!!!!!!!!

What does it matter if he owes 40 million?

I'd like you to point me to the relevant section of Irish law that says he cannot run for election?

Business and political life are separate entities, and so they should remain.

Padraig Mor

Qualitymark wrote: »

Hang on a second.

Mick Wallace did something really, really stupid: he got into financial trouble, and he tried to get himself out by underdeclaring VAT one year defrauding the taxpayer while doubling his pay from the company, with the intention of making the money back and paying it the next year. He now claims that he intended to pay it back, even though his customers had already given him the VAT money..

Very stupid. And not honest. But not the kind of systematic crookery he's being accused of. And he is already paying back the money he owes to the banks he is not paying back the money he owes to the banks. If he is made bankrupt, of course, he automatically loses his Dáil seat.

I don't know much about the guy, but I'm made uneasy by the baying mob armed with torches who are going after him at the moment. Let's stand back a little, calm down for a while, lads.

And let's not forget he was found guilty of ripping off his workers' pensions too.

Fixed your post.

conorhal

Qualitymark wrote: »

Hang on a second.

Mick Wallace did something really, really stupid: he got into financial trouble, and he tried to get himself out by underdeclaring VAT one year, with the intention of making the money back and paying it the next year.

Very stupid. And not honest. But not the kind of systematic crookery he's being accused of. And he is already paying back the money he owes to the banks. If he is made bankrupt, of course, he automatically loses his Dáil seat.

I don't know much about the guy, but I'm made uneasy by the baying mob armed with torches who are going after him at the moment. Let's stand back a little, calm down for a while, lads.

He's not paying back his loans though, the company is insolvent, and when he knew that he doubled his wages.

You're making the same kind arguments as those that defend Bertie 'I was going through a difficult time' Ahern.
'Ah, sure he's just a lovable rouge, a thief but a salt of the earth thief with a pint of Bass for everybody in the bar, and sure wasn't everybody doing it?'

Tell me, what differentiates your argument from the endless FF'ers who's general attitude to the likes of Haughey and Ahern comes down to, 'well, he's a crook, but he's our crook'.

Face the simple fact that rogue builders like Wallace, with their massive and unpayable Anglo debts, their NAMA properties, their financial sleight of hand with the tax man and their cheating of their employees are EXACTLY the kind of people that have us where we are today.
In a sane country we would lynch the likes of Wallace, but in this parish pump nation we elect the fecker!
I despair, I really do.

scholar007

Go on the bould Mickser! - Have a pint or ten for me over in Poland.

Tell Trapp I was askin for him.

Don't worry about a thing, it will all be forgotten about by the time you get back. After all this is Ireland.

NakedNNettles

CruelCoin wrote: »

What does it matter if he owes 40 million?

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Yerra sure it's only a few mill. Isn't he a grand lad. :rolleyes:

Cause all the effers who owe a couple mill here and there have destroyed the country. And we as taxpayers have to pay it back now, that means you too. That's why.

Now is that the kind of person that should be representing the people? A little like putting the fox in charge of the henhouse is how I see it.

NIMAN

This whole sorry episode sums up this country and why its in a mess.

A guy owes tens of millions, defrauded Revenue but sure he's ok cos he a 'decent spud'. If this is the new breed of politician talked about at the last General Election, we may as well bring back the old ones.

Oh, and he's really struggling with this current problem, so much so that he's able to jet off to Poland to watch footie and have a few pints. While the idiots back home can't afford to and have to work to pay their increasing taxes to save the country from his kind.

Ckeers Mick. You're one of the lads.

NIMAN

CruelCoin wrote: »

What does it matter if he owes 40 million?

I'd like you to point me to the relevant section of Irish law that says he cannot run for election?

Business and political life are separate entities, and so they should remain.

If you think this guy is fit to be in our Dail, and can't see why people have the opposite view to you, I really do see why the country can continue to be a basket case.

Open your eyes.

Sir Gallagher

He has a head like a bag of sperm.

CruelCoin

NIMAN wrote: »

If you think this guy is fit to be in our Dail, and can't see why people have the opposite view to you, I really do see why the country can continue to be a basket case.

Open your eyes.

Eyes are very open thank you.

The law is simple, he has the right to run, financial issues or not.

You're arguing your position based on mob rule opinions.

NakedNNettles

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