MNSCI membership offer.

Cass

I see the MNSCI are offering new members the chance to join now, pay your membership fee, and be a member immediately to run till the renewal next year (June - 2012). As it says 15 months for the price of 12.

Got me thinking does/are any other clubs/ranges running similar offers to encourage new members to join?

kay 9

Funny the way they make it hard for people when times are good, and lick potential members when times are bad as of now. Do people still have to know someone to use midlands? One would think if we are component enough to get a firearm licence through garda vetting etc that the ranges wouldn't have a problem welcoming new members. Or is there an ulterior motive

bunny shooter

Excellent offer :cool:

kay 9 wrote: »

Funny the way they make it hard for people when times are good, and lick potential members when times are bad as of now.

How did they make it hard for people to join?

kay 9 wrote: »

Do people still have to know someone to use midlands?

You can be signed in as a guest by a member and pay a "green fee" & new members have to be proposed by two existing members both of which are down to the legislation, not MNSCI.

kay 9 wrote: »

One would think if we are component enough to get a firearm licence through garda vetting etc that the ranges wouldn't have a problem welcoming new members.

How do they have a problem welcoming new members?

kay 9 wrote: »

Or is there an ulterior motive

What ulterior motive do you reckon they have so ?

For the record, I'm a member there for a good few years and I'm surprised at your attitude/impressions to/of the range

Tackleberrywho

It's a great offer!

Especially since people are strapped for cash and reluctant to join because of cost.

Dusty87

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

It's a great offer!

Especially since people are strapped for cash and reluctant to join because of cost.

that makes no differ. If someone dosn have the cash for twelve months they wont have it for twelve months plus 3 free. Stil a good offer though!!

clivej

Dusty87 wrote: »

that makes no differ. If someone dosn have the cash for twelve months they wont have it for twelve months plus 3 free. Stil a good offer though!!

Dusty I know its hard to swallow but it's only the first year that's the hardest.

bunny shooter

The first year works out at approx €10 per week. I'd spend more than that on ammo in a week :eek:

Subsequent years works out approx €5.50 per week, I rest my case

And look at what you get for your money :eek:

Dusty87

bunny shooter wrote: »

The first year works out at approx €10 per week. I'd spend more than that on ammo in a week :eek:

Subsequent years works out approx €5.50 per week, I rest my case

And look at what you get for your money :eek:

bunny, clive, i agree its a great offer. It is. And fair play to jim and the rest. I was just pointing out as tack said if someone is strapped for cash and cant afford the first year membership in the first place they wont afford the offer. If i could, id be in like flynn but not possible at the minute unfortunatly:(.

clivej

bunny shooter wrote: »

The first year works out at approx €10 per week. I'd spend more than that on ammo in a week :eek:

Subsequent years works out approx €5.50 per week, I rest my case

And look at what you get for your money :eek:

I know it's easy say 'only' 10 a week. I know lads can't reach to a box of 22subs things have got that bad for them.

bunny shooter

Dusty87 wrote: »

......... but not possible at the minute unfortunatly:(.

Sorry to hear that

I'll go hungry if I have to

clivej wrote: »

...........I know lads can't reach to a box of 22subs things have got that bad for them.

Dusty87

bunny shooter wrote: »

Sorry to hear that

I'll go hungry if I have to

yeah me too, baby and missus wont though:(

bunny shooter

Dusty87 wrote: »

yeah me too, baby and missus wont though:(

Responsibilities, had them myself. Luckily all mine have grown up and left home ........... except the missus ..................

Dusty times will change and you'll be sorted

Dusty87

bunny shooter wrote: »

Responsibilities, had them myself. Luckily all mine have grown up and left home ........... except the missus ..................

Dusty times will change and you'll be sorted

hopefully bunny. I wouldn mind but when i had the money it was spent on stupid things! Not much older, but a lot wiser now;). May get a 22 when times change, give yourself and clive a run in the competition:):)

clivej

Dusty87 wrote: »

hopefully bunny. I wouldn mind but when i had the money it was spent on stupid things! Not much older, but a lot wiser now;). May get a 22 when times change, give yourself and clive a run in the competition:)

Easier said than done :D:D:D:D:D:D

Cass

€600 is nothing to be sniffed at, but as said its for the first year only. €285 every year after. I know where Dusty is coming from that if a lad is broke, bar the membership is free, any amount of money is too much, but at least its a move forward.

Every year there are a few lads that have cash now wanting to join then realising the membership is not up/due till June, and by the time that roles around the money is gone. This way this offer will be helpful is if a lad gets a small windfall between now and June he can still join at any stage and it will carry him till june 2012.

Dusty87

clivej wrote: »

Easier said than done :D:D:D:D:D:D

its a date......in the future:D

Sparks

I do wonder sometimes why more clubs don't set up direct debit mechanisms (as opposed to standing order mechanisms) with banks; it's not a huge amount of paperwork and while someone might not be able to dump several hundred euro in one place in one go, dumping 50 euro a month isn't as bad, but still gives you the 600 over the course of the year. It means moving around the club's finances a bit to adopt to the new funding pattern, granted, but still, it ought to be an option.


That being said, I get the feeling that a lot of shooters never donate to their clubs above and beyond the membership fee either. I mean, the college clubs are always strapped for cash, and have introduced and trained about half the target shooters in Ireland to the sport; not too many alumni make donations back to those clubs even knowing how badly off they were financially. We did the numbers a while back - if 10% of all of the college clubs alumni had standing orders to donate €5 a month to the clubs, that would give UCDRC about twice their annual grant from the college (unless it's gone up a lot since I last checked) and DURC about four times their grant; meaning that clubs could finally invest in new firearms, have decent prizes at matches, DURC could switch to electronic targets, and so on.

Granted, other clubs wouldn't get numbers like that; but small monthly donations from lots of people still leads to healthier financials than single lump sums once a year and nothing in between.

Tackleberrywho

Sparks wrote: »

I do wonder sometimes why more clubs don't set up direct debit mechanisms (as opposed to standing order mechanisms) with banks; it's not a huge amount of paperwork and while someone might not be able to dump several hundred euro in one place in one go, dumping 50 euro a month isn't as bad, but still gives you the 600 over the course of the year. It means moving around the club's finances a bit to adopt to the new funding pattern, granted, but still, it ought to be an option.


That being said, I get the feeling that a lot of shooters never donate to their clubs above and beyond the membership fee either. I mean, the college clubs are always strapped for cash, and have introduced and trained about half the target shooters in Ireland to the sport; not too many alumni make donations back to those clubs even knowing how badly off they were financially. We did the numbers a while back - if 10% of all of the college clubs alumni had standing orders to donate €5 a month to the clubs, that would give UCDRC about twice their annual grant from the college (unless it's gone up a lot since I last checked) and DURC about four times their grant; meaning that clubs could finally invest in new firearms, have decent prizes at matches, DURC could switch to electronic targets, and so on.

Granted, other clubs wouldn't get numbers like that; but small monthly donations from lots of people still leads to healthier financials than single lump sums once a year and nothing in between.

I gave a week of my time last summer driving Dumpers (nothing in comparison to some)
I think I payed my dues as I don't use the facility as much as others (or as i would like)

I'll give another week this Summer as soon as I am finished with College.
Mucking in is as good as making donations!

It wasn't me!

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Mucking in is as good as making donations!

True enough. I'd take help with cleaning and bits and pieces of work and such over money any day, and, thankfully, we've got a good bunch who are always ready to put shoulder to wheel.

Sparks

It wasn't me! wrote: »

True enough. I'd take help with cleaning and bits and pieces of work and such over money any day, and, thankfully, we've got a good bunch who are always ready to put shoulder to wheel.

True - but we have a lot more who physically can't get to the wheel but who could contribute a little financially...

It wasn't me!

Sparks wrote: »

True - but we have a lot more who physically can't get to the wheel but who could contribute a little financially...

Hey, if they want to throw money at us, I'll sit back quite happily and won't stand in the way.

meathshooter1

the Mnsci is a great club and range is second to none,personally have found a wealth of knowledge over the years from shooting there.my biggest problem with it is I cant get down as much as I would like due to work and family commitments.the new club house is taking shape also the f class lads would be more than willing to train anybody with a interest in long range target or any discipline. you will always find or just ask and someone will always be willing to give you a hand if needed ,great for anybody starting into the sport or a veteran.the creedmore cup is coming up which will be some event hope to get down for a few days to watch it or give a hand in the butts.

It wasn't me!

I should have said last night, I think this is a great offer from MNSCI and I'd be sorely tempted to take it if I could really afford it, but the money's all already earmarked. I think the lads have a point that the three months extra free won't help someone who couldn't afford it anyway, but it's a really nice touch for anyone who might have been on the verge of joining anyway.

Galway Elvis

I am one that was seriously considering membership anyway but not able to decide when due to financial constraints, like most of the adult population in this country.

This offer and the timing of it is just the sweetener I needed to fill out the form and raid the bank.

It is very true that your second and following years subs is very easy to budget for over a year and very good value. However, for someone considering membership, having a fixed renewal date regardless of when during the year they join is quiet a negative point. I imagine it makes the administration of the club much easier but that will not enter the decision making process of potential future members.

Access to discretionary funds can vary a lot over a year for most people.
There is enough red tape as well as personal and financial risks involved in owning a gun. Paying a fee for 12 months membership and all the benefits that come with it should be the prize for €600 regardless when during a calender year someone joins.

One more small thing. At the bottom of the application form it states that one should type out the form and then print it. It is not possible to type in your details. Will the powers that be get annoyed if the form is sent to them with all my info handwritten?

Tackleberrywho

Galway Elvis wrote: »

I am one that was seriously considering membership anyway but not able to decide when due to financial constraints, like most of the adult population in this country.

This offer and the timing of it is just the sweetener I needed to fill out the form and raid the bank.

It is very true that your second and following years subs is very easy to budget for over a year and very good value. However, for someone considering membership, having a fixed renewal date regardless of when during the year they join is quiet a negative point. I imagine it makes the administration of the club much easier but that will not enter the decision making process of potential future members.

Access to discretionary funds can vary a lot over a year for most people.
There is enough red tape as well as personal and financial risks involved in owning a gun. Paying a fee for 12 months membership and all the benefits that come with it should be the prize for €600 regardless when during a calender year someone joins.

One more small thing. At the bottom of the application form it states that one should type out the form and then print it. It is not possible to type in your details. Will the powers that be get annoyed if the form is sent to them with all my info handwritten?

You need a signature for a form to be valid, Print it off, fill it out then scan it and send it back.
The second year is €285 and the same there after.

Appreciate as a member you will also have a place to shoot Longest Range in Ireland and the second longest in Europe

You also would be able to avail of the Pistol range and the small bore range

Galway Elvis

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

[You need a signature for a form to be valid, Print it off, fill it out then scan it and send it back.]

Ah........ I know I need to sign the form as do 2 current members. It is filling out the rest of the form my question was about, does it have to be typed or will hand written do?


[The second year is €285 and the same there after.]
The 2nd year and all following years is not the problem. I just made a suggestion, regarding the 1st year, as someone that has been considering membership for a while.

[Appreciate as a member you will also have a place to shoot Longest Range in Ireland and the second longest in Europe]
It is very appreciated. Hence the application.

You also would be able to avail of the Pistol range and the small bore range

Sadly the pistol range is likely only to be viewed and not used as getting a FAC for a pistol is as likely as Haille Berry turning up at my door demanding I help her make babies

meathshooter1

Galway Elvis wrote: »

Sadly the pistol range is likely only to be viewed and not used as getting a FAC for a pistol is as likely as Haille Berry turning up at my door demanding I help her make babies

you could get a unrestricted .22 pistol

Tackleberrywho

Galway Elvis wrote: »

Sadly the pistol range is likely only to be viewed and not used as getting a FAC for a pistol is as likely as Haille Berry turning up at my door demanding I help her make babies

Get a nice 5 shot .22lr and happy days!

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=006B&cat_id=051&type_id=427&content=buck-mark-plus-stainless-black-laminated-udx-firearms

I fancy one of these either

clivej

Galway Elvis wrote: »

Sadly the pistol range is likely only to be viewed and not used as getting a FAC for a pistol is as likely as Haille Berry turning up at my door demanding I help her make babies

meathshooter1 wrote: »

you could get a unrestricted .22 pistol

You could get a unrestricted .22 pistol
Note the word Unrestricted .22 handgun.

The Smith & Wesson Model 41 is the top of the line in rimfire pistols. Used by national level competitors for acute precision in competition, the Model 41 is considered one of the best .22 target pistols ever manufactured. $1,139.

bunny shooter

Browning Buckmark.

I've one of these :cool:

Tackleberrywho

bunny shooter wrote: »

Browning Buckmark.

I've one of these :cool:

Will you show us a pic, I know I'd like to see it, and it could be of interest to perspective members

bunny shooter

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Will you show us a pic, I know I'd like to see it, and it could be of interest to perspective members

I'll put up some tomorrow

Sparks

clivej wrote: »

The Smith & Wesson Model 41 is the top of the line in rimfire pistols. Used by national level competitors for acute precision in competition, the Model 41 is considered one of the best .22 target pistols ever manufactured. $1,139.

You have been woefully misinformed there I think Clive



Walther SSP. Probably one of the finest rimfire pistol out there (definitely the one I'd pick if I had the money and didn't have to drive for two hours to get to a range where I could use it). But it's definitely not the only one - the Feinwerkbau AW93, the Walther GSP, several of the Morini and Pardini lines, as well as the Matchguns MG2; these are the best .22 target pistols ever manufactured (so far, anyway ). The S&W 41 isn't as good as any of them. It's close, but definitely no cigar. It's basicly the CZ to the SSP's Anschutz. A good pistol; not a great pistol.

kay 9

bunny shooter wrote: »

Excellent offer :cool:



How did they make it hard for people to join?



You can be signed in as a guest by a member and pay a "green fee" & new members have to be proposed by two existing members both of which are down to the legislation, not MNSCI.



How do they have a problem welcoming new members?



What ulterior motive do you reckon they have so ?

For the record, I'm a member there for a good few years and I'm surprised at your attitude/impressions to/of the range

If it's legislation that makes it harder for new members then I understand and should have known. For me and many more interested in joining that do not know any members, how does it work? I'm sure people don;t just sign in anybody that shows up
Ps Bunny, how do you know what my attitude is when attitude is expressed orally rather than written;)

bunny shooter

kay 9 wrote: »

If it's legislation that makes it harder for new members then I understand and should have known. For me and many more interested in joining that do not know any members, how does it work? I'm sure people don;t just sign in anybody that shows up
Ps Bunny, how do you know what my attitude is when attitude is expressed orally rather than written;)

If you and/or others are interested in joining then ring them and arrange to call in for a "tour".

Or I can let you know when I'm going again and I'll sign you in as a guest and I'll give you the grand "tour".

Your "attitude" was plain to 'see' from your post and I notice you have given no explanation or justification for your statements, as I requested.

Have you ever been there?

kay 9

I've called them before and whoever I was talking to said it's a must to know someone to sign me in. I visited the place once and really liked it and appreciate the offer of the grand tour. I'll hold you to that Bunny;)

bunny shooter

kay 9 wrote: »

.........I'll hold you to that Bunny;)

I'll be in touch ............... as soon as

johngalway

Sparks wrote: »

I think I've seen one of them before, a lad was using it to install a wooden floor :P

Tackleberrywho

johngalway wrote: »

I think I've seen one of them before, a lad was using it to install a wooden floor :P

Sell a few Lambs John, pay the 15 Month Entry fee!

Come over an Join us

I'll sponsor your application.
Pistol shooting is great craic!

And I really want to start a Varmint Section @ midlands.

johngalway

:pac:

Thanks for the offer Tac, too rich for my blood though

Tackleberrywho

johngalway wrote: »

:pac:

Thanks for the offer Tac, too rich for my blood though

Get them farmers to pay you €5 a fox and you soon will have the funds!;)

Sparks

johngalway wrote: »

I think I've seen one of them before, a lad was using it to install a wooden floor :P

Not so good for that sort of thing, all the nails go in the same hole with one of them

Kryten

Sparks wrote: »

Not so good for that sort of thing, all the nails go in the same hole with one of them

yeah! And from 25 meters away

Bananaman

I think the choice or firearm, while obviously important, if not the deciding factor when it comes to competition success

the competitor is.

I agree that the Walther is a tack driver, I agree the 41 is a great gun and far better looking - however - if you look at the results of competitions you will find that neither are used by the best shooters - they just happen to be the best shooters - and got that was using what they had - at one time a colt woodsman would have been the most successful - I won my first few medals with one - the hammerli xsesse has taken it's fair share - the s&w 22a is extremely popular and has also taken an impressive haul - not that the walther (GSP & SSP) or the pardinis of this world have not taken their fair share - the buckmarks and rugers have also been successful (now Bunny and myself have one they will come into their own)

I just think that if someone is a naturally good shot and you give them a chance to do a bit of practice with any gun (to get used to it) they will kick arse anyway (except with a mosquito ;-) )

B'Man

Sparks

I think B'man, that with full respect to the competitors, the Irish pistol scene is not a good data set to use when deciding on a pistol to buy. We've not had pistols for long enough to get the standard up to where it needs to be, despite individuals who've excelled, so looking down the line at an Irish match - any Irish match - doesn't show you what's best but what was available and cheap and looked good in a catalog.

Look down the line in international competitions to see what's the best. And you do not see many 41s or 22as on the line in Munich. You see SSPs, GSPs, a few Xesses, Morinis and Pardinis and a few Baikals and a few assorted others.

Tackleberrywho

Sparks wrote: »

I think B'man, that with full respect to the competitors, the Irish pistol scene is not a good data set to use when deciding on a pistol to buy. We've not had pistols for long enough to get the standard up to where it needs to be, despite individuals who've excelled, so looking down the line at an Irish match - any Irish match - doesn't show you what's best but what was available and cheap and looked good in a catalog.

Look down the line in international competitions to see what's the best. And you do not see many 41s or 22as on the line in Munich. You see SSPs, GSPs, a few Xesses, Morinis and Pardinis and a few Baikals and a few assorted others.

Even More reason to Join Midlands and find out!!

Bananaman

Sparks wrote: »

I think B'man, that with full respect to the competitors, the Irish pistol scene is not a good data set to use when deciding on a pistol to buy. We've not had pistols for long enough to get the standard up to where it needs to be, despite individuals who've excelled, so looking down the line at an Irish match - any Irish match - doesn't show you what's best but what was available and cheap and looked good in a catalog.

Look down the line in international competitions to see what's the best. And you do not see many 41s or 22as on the line in Munich. You see SSPs, GSPs, a few Xesses, Morinis and Pardinis and a few Baikals and a few assorted others.

I know what you mean but precious few of us are lucky enough to compete internationally - for most people their choice of a pistol - especially a first one if to a) learn to shoot and b) compete with people in their own club.

If they then "get the goo" (there's a creme egg ad in here somewhere) and progress to National or indeed International they may find that they outshoot their tool and need to upgrade but that will take a lot of practice.

Personally, whenever I have looked down the line in Munich I saw mostly Glocks - what does that tell ya?

B'Man

Sparks

It tells me you were at a centerfire match, not a rimfire one; and we weren't talking about centerfire pistols...

But you don't need to be at international standard to buy a great pistol. The Baikal is cheaper than the 41, and it's basicly an unpolished KSP. Like it's air pistol cousin, it can't really compete with today's top end of pistols, but for a beginner, it's probably one of the best possible choices. You just have to grit your teeth when people comment on how it looks like a spare part for a tractor and let its groups speak for themselves...