Remind people of reasons not to vote ff

andrew cross

work wrote: »

A lady on the radio yesterday said she will vote FF though she does not support them. She is doing this as she knows FG will get in and wants a "strong" opposition, ie SF are incapable and she is voteing to weaken their opposition chances.
Surely this goes against the point of voteing where you should vote for who is most capable (or at least appearing least incapable).
God what a mess!

i dont believe some people ff could s&&t on some people, they would vote for them :eek:

leincar

jmayo wrote: »

Folks as is probably known by a few around here I would be in scr123 band of ABffers.

And I think it is timely to remind voters just why ff should be consigned to the bin tomorrow.

I am not going to ask people to vote for any other particular party, but please just vote.

People died in this country so you could have that privledge and people are dying today in other countries so they can have the privledge you will enjoy tomorrow.
It make only take 30 mins out of your life, but it can make a big difference.
Candidates have been elected on a difference of as few as 5 or 10 votes.

Anyway read the lists and dispair of what was done.
Perhaps someone (Biggins has done alot so far) can put together a more comprehensive list than this.

Banking crisis.
Insolvency of almost our entire indigenous banking sector due to lack of proper regulation by state regulatory authorities.
Anglo, AIB, BOI our three major banks and INBS, EBS two of our major building societies needed the taxpayers to keep them afloat by guaranteeing everything.

Bank Guarantee, NAMA, recapitalisation and nationalisation.
Irish taxpayers made responsible for the bank's debts.
Ultimate Cost still unknown over two years later and taxpayers carrying can for irresponsible government, regulators, dept of finance, bankers and developers.

Anglo has managed to become the world biggest corporate loss maker and the Irish taxpayers are carrying those losses.

IMFand ECB deal, not a bailout but a sell out, to keep our country economically alfoat.

Current Budget Deficit.
Public sector spending vastly increased during bubble, all funded by unsustainable transactional taxes form construction bubble and retail spending.
With bursting of bubble and credit crunch a 20 billion hole left in budget.

Unemployment.
Due to allowing Irish economy turn into one sustained by short term cheap credit, a massive jump in unemployemnt was recorded as cheap credit dries up and construction bubble bursts.
Unemployment jumps by over 200,000
Emigration drastically increases.

Indebtness.
Due to uncontrolled construction bubble, the level of personal debt being carried by Irish citizens in now some of the highest in the world.

Competitiveness.
Irish competitivesness drops as construction bubble made mainstay of economy.
MNCs and indigenous companies close.
e.g Dell pulls out of Limerick.
Irish Sugar Industry sold out due to cock up by coughlan's dept
One can add their own companies here...


The Connected Ones at the top.

• Bankers flee country and claim they can no longer repay their loans.
• Developers declare bankruptcy and/or flee country.
  These would include the same developers who were visitors to ff Galway races tent or invitees to a taoiseach's speeches to British parliament and US Congress.
• Ex regulatory heads from CB and IFSRA resign, but leave with handsome payouts.
• Fás chief resigns with handsome payout after presiding over huge wastage and body riddled with fraud.
• Government ministers, Dáil Ceann Comhairle and non elected senator rack up huge unvouched expenses and refuse to apologise to taxpayers for wastage.
• Government Ministers resign and fail to stand for election, but get huge goodbye handouts from taxpayers.
• ff hangers on and lower lights in the party get appointed to state boards prior to election

Wastage.

• Fás (hundreds of millions at time of full employment)
• Cost overruns Luas, Port Tunnel, Motorways (hundreds of millions)
• HSE ???
• PPARS (150 odd million)
• e-voting (50 odd million)
• bertie bowl (100 odd million)
• expenses ???

Smart Economy

• Myth 1 availability of fast high speed broadband
• Myth 2 availability of high calibre graduates
• Myth 3 our education system

Now the below list only deals with stuff upto 2007 and it makes it even more depressing that people voted for them in 2007.



With thanks to ...

http://www.unitedpeople.ie/fail.html

http://www.octane.ie/forum/showthread.php?t=48024&highlight=ff%27s+fails

This post sir, in my opinion is the finest post of the General Election 2011 sub-forum. Well said.

whacker00

yet another one !!!!:mad:




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtL06DVaZ00&feature=player_embedded

Badabing

Liam Byrne wrote: »

The post might be devalued but the facts contained in it still apply.

You're suggesting not voting FG - supposedly "because they won't roll back FF's cuts".

You then say "Vote FF"......because they'll do what, exactly, roll back their own cuts ?

If they won't roll back their own cuts, then your statement re FG is farcical and strawmanning.

FF have a plan all costed over 4-5 years, my point was that FG opposed every measure in the budget yet they won't reverse any cuts.

Liam Byrne

Where was this plan while they were in power?

Even the brain-dead know that proper maintenance of your brakes avoids the need for emergency maneouvres.

Min

Don't vote FF because Ireland is ranked top 5 in the UN human development index.
FF screwed us so much we are among the most advanced nations on Earth for humans to live.

http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

The HDI was created to emphasize that people and their capabilities should be the ultimate criteria for assessing the development of a country, not economic growth alone. The HDI can also be used to question national policy choices, asking how two countries with the same level of GNI per capita can end up with such different human development outcomes. For example, the Bahamas and New Zealand have similar levels of income per person, but life expectancy and expected years of schooling differ greatly between the two countries, resulting in New Zealand having a much higher HDI value than the Bahamas. These striking contrasts can directly stimulate debate about government policy priorities.

So we should not vote for FF as their policies have put Ireland among the very best for human development on this planet.
Remember you are only allowed to be negative to FF so don't vote for them. You will be called names if you say you will vote for them and since FF failed us we are top 5 in the world in the human development index.

flash1080

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Where was this plan while they were in power?

Even the brain-dead know that proper maintenance of your brakes avoids the need for emergency maneouvres.

At least FF have a detailed plan now. FG's plan isn't worth the paper it's written on, they've been asked for details and figures but they haven't got any.

Downlinz

flash1080 wrote: »

At least FF have a detailed plan now. FG's plan isn't worth the paper it's written on, they've been asked for details and figures but they haven't got any.

I agree, I've never voted FF before but will tomorrow. They have the strongest plan going forward and I believe voting on that is a constructive vote rather than looking to punish people in anger with my vote. That's a backwards attitude that will get the country nowhere.

eigrod

I hope Ivor Callelly makes it to Cork in time to vote tomorrow.

meglome

flash1080 wrote: »

At least FF have a detailed plan now. FG's plan isn't worth the paper it's written on, they've been asked for details and figures but they haven't got any.

Downlinz wrote: »

I agree, I've never voted FF before but will tomorrow. They have the strongest plan going forward and I believe voting on that is a constructive vote rather than looking to punish people in anger with my vote. That's a backwards attitude that will get the country nowhere.

hehehe.. I could give you detailed response but let's face it you'd need to have been on a different planet to trust FF.

ricero

My first time voting tommorow and it certainly won't be for these ****. After reading the list of wrong doing I feel ashamed For the people who voted for these muppets and I just pray to god my mother and father did not vote for these criminals in suits.

Liam Byrne

flash1080 wrote: »

At least FF have a detailed plan now. FG's plan isn't worth the paper it's written on, they've been asked for details and figures but they haven't got any.

Do you seriously believe a word FF says at this stage ?

Where was this "detailed plan" when they gave Anglo bondholder €750,000,000 on January 31st that they didn't have to because the guarantee had expired ?

Why does this "detailed plan" with a "new FF" still include someone who was disgraced as a liar and a perjurer ?

Does this detailed plan involve robbing me even more to pay off debts of people who gambled but who just happened to have FF connections ?

They can stuff their "plan" up their holes, because it's too late for them to finally try doing stuff properly now.

Azure1

Joey the lips wrote: »

I did not need reminding but that was interesting. My primary reason for not voteing them is they have lost my trust.

Granted enda kenny does not convince me either but i would rather him than eamonn gilmore.

They are all the same just different suits,FF,FG,Labour they are all the frigging same,watch Vincent browne tonight and his interview with Mary Hanafin we are so screwed,never have I put so much time effort and thought into how i am going to use my vote,i am considering parties I would never have voted for b4 based on thier campaign this time round and my circumstances,
I,m so disgusted with the lot of them but i have to vote,who is the best? FG you must be joking Enda Kenny is not a leader and the man to replace Brian Cowen

Liam Byrne

Azure1 wrote: »

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I,m so disgusted with the lot of them but i have to vote,who is the best? FG you must be joking Enda Kenny is not a leader and the man to replace Brian Cowen

Yeah, because Cowen set SUCH a high standard :rolleyes:

A corpse would have been more useful than that idiot - at least it wouldn't have done as much damage!

Azure1

they are all the same FF,FG,Labour no difference between them,if we continue to vote in the same people how are we going to get different results?
Labour and FG,Enda Kenny sat across from FF in the dail for years,years and if he could not step up to the mark while in opposition how is he now going to lead the country

meglome

Azure1 wrote: »

they are all the same FF,FG,Labour no difference between them,if we continue to vote in the same people how are we going to get different results?
Labour and FG,Enda Kenny sat across from FF in the dail for years,years and if he could not step up to the mark while in opposition how is he now going to lead the country

Hmm the formatting of your post reminds me of some other posters with low post counts. I must be imagining it though.

How sick am I of all this they are all the same rubbish. And I hate to be the one to give you the bad news but the opposition have no ability make policy, only the government does.