Boole Library conversationalists

invinciblePRSTV

This goes out to everyone utilising the library who decide to have a gossip with their mates, and in particular to the group on Q+3 this afternoon so engrossed in conversation about the heels that they're gonna wear going out tonite, that when I shushed them they didn't hear me and I had to stand up and tell them quieten down, which they did. So to them and to everyone else tempted to.start nattering when people are working please just go outside or else, just
shut the fcuk up!

And to those being distracted, don't be shy in telling people to pipe down.

tommy21

invinciblePRSTV wrote: »

This goes out to everyone utilising the library who decide to have a gossip with their mates, and in particular to the group on Q+3 this afternoon so engrossed in conversation about the heels that they're gonna wear going out tonite, that when I shushed them they didn't hear me and I had to stand up and tell them quieten down, which they did. So to them and to everyone else tempted to.start nattering when people are working please just go outside or else, just
shut the fcuk up!

And to those being distracted, don't be shy in telling people to pipe down.

I sense your frustration. This bugged me all throughout my time in UCC - to be honest there is no way to prevent it - (on the spot fine would sort it but would be a hugely unpopular measure). Sometimes you just feel like screaming at the tanned tart to shut the fcuk up and just advance to MacDonald's already (wow repressed anger there!).

Your best bet? Switch where you study. Anatomy Dept. is deserted usually and they never ID at least in my time. You just walk in and start studying in one of the classrooms. That or head up to Brookfield, particularly downstairs. They are quite good upstairs about going around and telling people to shut up (the staff) and worried medical students downstairs are very quick to silence people.

TanG411

I'm delighted you told them to shut up. Many people out there complain about people talking in the library but do nothing themselves.

2mature

invinciblePRSTV wrote: »

This goes out to everyone utilising the library who decide to have a gossip with their mates, and in particular to the group on Q+3 this afternoon so engrossed in conversation about the heels that they're gonna wear going out tonite, that when I shushed them they didn't hear me and I had to stand up and tell them quieten down, which they did. So to them and to everyone else tempted to.start nattering when people are working please just go outside or else, just
shut the fcuk up!

And to those being distracted, don't be shy in telling people to pipe down.

LEGEND

JohnMearsheimer

Looks like the Boole hasn't changed much. I never could get work much work done there. I always got itchy feet 10 minutes after walking into the place. I just did my work at home and surrounded myself with as many distractions as I wanted without bothering anyone. Good on ya for telling them to keep it down. Do people still turn up to the library during the month off, dump their stuff on a table and disappear for the day?

BigDaddyCan

invinciblePRSTV wrote: »

This goes out to everyone utilising the library who decide to have a gossip with their mates, and in particular to the group on Q+3 this afternoon so engrossed in conversation about the heels that they're gonna wear going out tonite, that when I shushed them they didn't hear me and I had to stand up and tell them quieten down, which they did. So to them and to everyone else tempted to.start nattering when people are working please just go outside or else, just
shut the fcuk up!

And to those being distracted, don't be shy in telling people to pipe down.

era cheer up and buy some ear plugs

Knifey Spoony

BigDaddyCan wrote: »

era cheer up and buy some ear plugs

Shouldn't have to use earplugs, its a library ffs. Take your conversations outside. I do not want to hear about your social life or anything so mundane when I am trying to get some work done.

invinciblePRSTV

@ Tommy21 I'm not going anywhere, the Boole has the books i need and for the most part it's ok when it comes to noise.

Had to shush another gaggle of young wans on Q+3 last night, in the past week it's been the same story. Why is it by and large the girls who insist on chit chatting and giggling away?

@JohnMearsheimer, i have pushed stuff aside and taken a spot from people who have been taking the piss when it comes to dumping their stuff and then going on an extended hiatus, i did it after i waited and waited for a spot with a plug for the laptop. All i got was dirty looks when they eventually came back. They knew they were in the wrong.

@big daddy can i'm quite cheerful and listen to soma when i'm typing to block out most of the noise, however when i can hear the giggles and chit chat above that then it's time for me to put on my stare and tell people to whist. One wonders with that kind of suggestion are you one of the Boole conversationalists?:cool:

ReacherCreature

JohnMearsheimer wrote: »

Looks like the Boole hasn't changed much. I never could get work much work done there. I always got itchy feet 10 minutes after walking into the place. I just did my work at home and surrounded myself with as many distractions as I wanted without bothering anyone. Good on ya for telling them to keep it down. Do people still turn up to the library during the month off, dump their stuff on a table and disappear for the day?

Not as widespread now I feel but wait until the study month hits.

BigDaddyCan wrote: »

era cheer up and buy some ear plugs

He shouldn't have to, it's a library.

Legwinski

A 20 second Skype call (no headphones either) today in Q+3 reading rooms

Twas funny

AwayWithFaries

This was posted on the UCC forums yesterday:

Unacceptable behaviour has become a serious issue in the Boole library. This is borne out by the results of the Library survey, complaints from students and staff experience. From the 7th of March the Library, in conjunction with the Students Union, will begin a ‘No to Noise’ campaign in order to reclaim the library as a place conducive to study and research.

From Monday the 7th of March

• There will be regular patrols of the Library.

• Any breaches of Library rules will result in Student/Staff Cards being confiscated.

• An on the spot €5 penalty will be applied to Library records.

• Arguments will not be tolerated.

• Any member of Library Staff may enforce Library rules.

• Not producing a UCC ID card will result in removal from the Library.

Full text of Library Regulations may be accessed at: http://booleweb.ucc.ie/documents/Library%20Regulations%20-%202009-2010.pdf

tommy21

Same guff most evey year, great for a week then it goes back to normal. How about if you are caught talking or disturbing the peace, you are fined €5 via your library card. Then €10. Third time you are denied library access via your card for a week.

Fourth time you pay double college fees

Byron85

tommy21 wrote: »

Fourth time you pay double college fees

And then sent to C.I.T?

tommy21

Byron85 wrote: »

And then sent to C.I.T?

A fate worse than death!

deisedude

Have to love the irony of them introducing the No to Noise Policy the same day Red Bull are blaring out ****e music right across from the library.

Aodan83

deisedude wrote: »

Have to love the irony of them introducing the No to Noise Policy the same day Red Bull are blaring out ****e music right across from the library.

Ya, saw that. They didn't even seem to have any free red bull! Could they not have found a better spot for it like!?
Never liked studying in there. Either it's eerily quiet and I can't concentrate or I can't stop "overhearing" other peoples conversations. Much prefer to study at home or in the BIS labs so I can have a bit of background music. Only make visits to the library when I need a book.

deisedude

Aodan83 wrote: »

Ya, saw that. They didn't even seem to have any free red bull! Could they not have found a better spot for it like!?
Never liked studying in there. Either it's eerily quiet and I can't concentrate or I can't stop "overhearing" other peoples conversations. Much prefer to study at home or in the BIS labs so I can have a bit of background music. Only make visits to the library when I need a book.

Personally i think this problem has been overstated. Behaviour is no worse than it ever has been and since i live in Q+2 this year i think i should know:( Wait until study month, its always a lot worse then!

invinciblePRSTV

I commend the Library powers that be for implementing patrols to shut people up. I'd like to see the additional feature of implementing a paper record system similar to UCD where you leave your desk for x amount of time, say 20 mins, and you leave a slip of paper to this effect, but if you're gone over the amount of allotted time then people are free to push your stuff aside and use the spot for themselves. I'm sick of gobshites dumping their stuff for the day but spend more time on coffee and fag breaks then actually in the library.

I ventured onto the other UCC forum there and some peeps seemed to find nothing wrong with having a chat with their mates in the library whilst they're on a 'study break'!! ffs with that kind stupidity you'd want your head examined! equally other people whinging about the kind of abuse staff are going to receive for having the temerity to tell people to shut up. Explains a lot about the self absorbed elements of UCCs undergrad population it has to be said, i look forward to seeing these volunteers telling people to shut up, if they get cheek back from offenders then i'll have no problem of joining in to tell them to cop on.

deisedude

invinciblePRSTV wrote: »

I commend the Library powers that be for implementing patrols to shut people up. I'd like to see the additional feature of implementing a paper record system similar to UCD where you leave your desk for x amount of time, say 20 mins, and you leave a slip of paper to this effect, but if you're gone over the amount of allotted time then people are free to push your stuff aside and use the spot for themselves. I'm sick of gobshites dumping their stuff for the day but spend more time on coffee and fag breaks then actually in the library.

They tried that before and it didn't work at all (it was a pink slip if i remember correctly). Don't think they have enough staff to fully enforce it

Cian92

Ahh this no to noise campaign... Ridiculous, I saw a guy being asked for his student card today as he was drinking coffee. The man point blank refused to give it to him, and to leave the library . Fairplay.

If people can't concentrate with a little bit of rustling of papers, how will they get by when they have a job. They won't be granted silence at all.

It is a stupid initative to stop a problem, which to anyone with any sort of intelligence should not be a problem.

Knifey Spoony

Cian92 wrote: »

If people can't concentrate with a little bit of rustling of papers, how will they get by when they have a job. They won't be granted silence at all.

Ah, it's a bit more than the rustling of papers that annoys people. The campaign is to stop people using the library like a place to have a casual chat or haiving their lunch, not trying to come down on anyone who makes any noise at all.

tommy21

Cian92 wrote: »

Ahh this no to noise campaign... Ridiculous, I saw a guy being asked for his student card today as he was drinking coffee. The man point blank refused to give it to him, and to leave the library . Fairplay.

If people can't concentrate with a little bit of rustling of papers, how will they get by when they have a job. They won't be granted silence at all.

It is a stupid initative to stop a problem, which to anyone with any sort of intelligence should not be a problem.

But that's the point - the rustling of papers etc. is normal. What is not normal is people having a laugh with their mates when others are trying to study, Sure you might say its only a 3 minute break from study for them and so is not much of an imposition, but what if 10 other people are doing this, all day. As for coffee, this is something that annoys me. I would like to be able to grab a coffee and sit in the foyer with the (Free ) paper there, but I agree it should be banned beyond there (currently banned everywhere). If you have a laptop up on Q1 and someone drops coffee on it, you would not be happy I wager.

UpTheSlashers

Knifey Spoony wrote: »

The campaign is to stop people using the library like a place to have a casual chat or haiving their lunch, not trying to come down on anyone who makes any noise at all.

The library staff seem to be approaching it the wrong way. They were at the entrance taking bottles and cups off people today. I know those items may be prohibited but id rather see them punish the main offenders all year round rather make themselves seem ultra-vigilant for a few weeks. Also, while they were doing such great service to the college by confiscating bottles at the entrance, i could hear from well inside q+2 some knobs talking on the staircase. Get the priorities right ffs.
Instead of making a big fuss with a campaign, they should just enforce the policy all year round.

invinciblePRSTV

I've been in the library all day and it was great to see it noticeably quieter, long may it last!.

I agree with your sentiments though UptheSlashers, if you leave a situation develop where instead of staff telling people from day one to stay quiet, then people are used to things being a certain way in the library - group conversations and people taking the piss generally - then there'd be no need to 'remind' people via this campaign to shut up.

But tbf to the library staff, i imagine their job descriptions involves more then going around telling people to shut up, and that a large dollop of common sense seems to have passed by a segment of UCCs undergrad population. I mean ffs, it's a library, not a cafe, or the student centre or a pub. I've got some dagger looks when shushing people as they chit chat about how cute this guy is or how drunk they were last night, how do these folks not understand it's a library where people go to learn, not to have banter. Stupid kids.

deisedude

Ridiculous the staff telling people put away bottles of coke. Whatever about keeping quite how is someone drinking a bottle of coke affecting anyone else studying

Cian92

deisedude wrote: »

Ridiculous the staff telling people put away bottles of coke. Whatever about keeping quite how is someone drinking a bottle of coke affecting anyone else studying

It's a power thing...

Jak O Shadows

Here we go again, I like this rule but not that one. Coffee, soft drinks food etc destroy books if they spill on them. They wreck the carpets and make a huge mess. There is also a lot of electrical plugs running down the middle of the tables. I don't want to be sitting at a desk when a coffee spills. The job of the library is to keep the books safe and to provide a study space for everyone. Including us grumpy people who want a a bit of peace and quiet, who don't want to be electrocuted, who don't want to sit at a space to find the desk sticky with coke mess and who like to do that wierd reading books thing.

invinciblePRSTV

Jak O Shadows wrote: »

Here we go again, I like this rule but not that one. Coffee, soft drinks food etc destroy books if they spill on them. They wreck the carpets and make a huge mess. There is also a lot of electrical plugs running down the middle of the tables. I don't want to be sitting at a desk when a coffee spills. The job of the library is to keep the books safe and to provide a study space for everyone. Including us grumpy people who want a a bit of peace and quiet, who don't want to be electrocuted, who don't want to sit at a space to find the desk sticky with coke mess and who like to do that wierd reading books thing.

+1. Let's not forget also that Boole library users have an unfortunate tendency to leave their crisp bags, sweet wrappers and bottles on the table when they leave for someone else to dispose of, despite the fact there is bins on all floors as these people exit.

branie

Are people flouting rules about not eating in the library then?

deisedude

Jak O Shadows wrote: »

Here we go again, I like this rule but not that one. Coffee, soft drinks food etc destroy books if they spill on them. They wreck the carpets and make a huge mess. There is also a lot of electrical plugs running down the middle of the tables. I don't want to be sitting at a desk when a coffee spills. The job of the library is to keep the books safe and to provide a study space for everyone. Including us grumpy people who want a a bit of peace and quiet, who don't want to be electrocuted, who don't want to sit at a space to find the desk sticky with coke mess and who like to do that wierd reading books thing.

Bottles of water are allowed and could just as easily do all that. Its a stupid rule

UpTheSlashers

Jak O Shadows wrote: »

Here we go again, I like this rule but not that one. Coffee, soft drinks food etc destroy books if they spill on them. They wreck the carpets and make a huge mess. There is also a lot of electrical plugs running down the middle of the tables. I don't want to be sitting at a desk when a coffee spills. The job of the library is to keep the books safe and to provide a study space for everyone. Including us grumpy people who want a a bit of peace and quiet, who don't want to be electrocuted, who don't want to sit at a space to find the desk sticky with coke mess and who like to do that wierd reading books thing.

Its not the rules I disagree with, its the enforcement. Theyll be strict as fcuk on everything and anything for a few weeks, then well be back to the same old shíte. They should just deal with the major problems all year round.

Jak O Shadows

deisedude wrote: »

Bottles of water are allowed and could just as easily do all that. Its a stupid rule

Fair enough water can do some of the damage i mentioned, it tends to be in screw top bottles though, unlike open coffee cups. They could allow soft drinks in screw top bottles and coffee in non spill mugs but that is a lot harder to enforce. Then you have an argument every time. But they are drinking coffee ....

UpTheSlashers wrote: »

Its not the rules I disagree with, its the enforcement. Theyll be strict as fcuk on everything and anything for a few weeks, then well be back to the same old shíte. They should just deal with the major problems all year round.

I have no doubt that the library staff would love to enforce the rules all the time, but I have been watching them over the last couple of days and it is taking a lot of man hours. If they let up they would be back to square one in no time. I feel sorry for them, its tough work constantly correcting behaviour and getting very little thanks for it, if not downright abuse. I was told by one of the Library staff that they have lost about 20 staff over the last couple of years and they won't be replaced.

Of course at the end of the day it is our behaviour that is the problem, we are the ones answering our phones, chatting, eating, socializing, hiding books, tearing out chapters etc. etc. If we showed a little bit of respect for each other then the Library staff wouldn't have to correct anybody.

corcaighabu92

What ****ing bull**** this is. I am so angry reading the posts on this.There is some real dickheads in UCC and at time i say to myself i should have went to CIT because you wouldnt get any stuck up people there. invinciblePRSTV, who are you??what are you at...coming into the library and seeing the staff standing there..nd then to look at the tv's and to see that certain students helped to bring this is. well, invinciblePRSTV, you are obvioulsy one of them. Fair dues to the fella who refused to give them there student card. I dont blame him one bit..

tommy21

bah ignore not worth the argument.

invinciblePRSTV

corcaighabu92 wrote: »

What ****ing bull**** this is. I am so angry reading the posts on this.There is some real dickheads in UCC and at time i say to myself i should have went to CIT because you wouldnt get any stuck up people there. invinciblePRSTV, who are you??what are you at...coming into the library and seeing the staff standing there..nd then to look at the tv's and to see that certain students helped to bring this is. well, invinciblePRSTV, you are obvioulsy one of them. Fair dues to the fella who refused to give them there student card. I dont blame him one bit..

What's wrong with you corcaighabu92, why not share your frustrations with us in a more legible manner? did something happen to you?

corcaighabu92

No nothing happened to me. I may have went over board with the language but i think this new campaign is pure nonsense and rubbish..

invinciblePRSTV

corcaighabu92 wrote: »

No nothing happened to me. I may have went over board with the language but i think this new campaign is pure nonsense and rubbish..

I beg to differ, the noise problem in the library is an issue and it was time it was tackled, although they should have been promoting this campaign since the first day of the undergraduate term.

The guy who didn't give his card to the library staff when they caught him breaking the rules and distracting other people deserves a few slaps, not praise.

tommy21

corcaighabu92 wrote: »

No nothing happened to me. I may have went over board with the language but i think this new campaign is pure nonsense and rubbish..

What do you disagree with?

Parsley

deisedude wrote: »

Bottles of water are allowed and could just as easily do all that. Its a stupid rule

water won't stain paper/books like coffee or coke would. it won't be as damaging to electronics as liquids that have sugar/electrolytes in them.

corcaighabu92

I think it is just over hpyed. No need for it. And once again to the lad who refused to give up his card. Fair play to ya. Well done.

tommy21

corcaighabu92 wrote: »

I think it is just over hpyed. No need for it. And once again to the lad who refused to give up his card. Fair play to ya. Well done.

Well I suspect you must fall into the category they are aiming the campaign at if you think there is no need for it ...

invinciblePRSTV

corcaighabu92 wrote: »

I think it is just over hpyed. No need for it. And once again to the lad who refused to give up his card. Fair play to ya. Well done.

Elaborate for us corcaighabu92, in what way is it it overhyped? a sign, an email, some leaflets on the desk and an increased staff presence at the entrance? it's hardly in your face now is it?.

The lad who didn't give up his card up deserves a few pucks for being a little prick, he wouldn't be long getting one if it was myself being distracted i can tell you that much.

No doubt corcaighabu92 with the way you've presented yourself on here that you are one of the noisy feckers this campaign is targeted at. Be honest with us and admit you like to have a chat and a laugh in the library and you think we're all killjoys ruining your fun.

corcaighabu92

Well just to let you know, I am not one of thoe noisy people that ye say they are. I dont go to the library with my friends, never have id say. I always go on my own to use a computer or get books. This thing of getting ur card taken off you or getting fined for having a drink or having a bit of a whisper. Bit much in my opinion.

corcaighabu92

Came in today to see a stupid talk taking place. Now that is noise. And wouldnt you think the staff would get there computers sorted out. It is a disgrace now.

tommy21

corcaighabu92 wrote: »

Came in today to see a stupid talk taking place. Now that is noise. And wouldnt you think the staff would get there computers sorted out. It is a disgrace now.

I think you are just one of those difficult people to be honest. That and/or a troll.

corcaighabu92

No im not. What was that talk about today??I am being totally serious about the computers. Is this a problem around this time of year every year. Came in to do a bit of work and had to go home because they were giving me so much trouble.

rebel girl 15

corcaighabu92 wrote: »

No im not. What was that talk about today??I am being totally serious about the computers. Is this a problem around this time of year every year. Came in to do a bit of work and had to go home because they were giving me so much trouble.

Turn them off then on again - lot of the time the computers are pretty slow in there cos they have been on for a few days at a time, turning off and on sorts it.

There are also a load of mice not working with the computers as well - whenever I'm studying inside there I haven't had any problems with noise at all. Big fuss over a small issue - would be better sorting out the people who dump their stuff and bugger off for the day at study time, other times of the year its less hassle cos there is plenty of space. Heard they were going painting the library according to noise levels permitted - money going down the drain imo

Jak O Shadows

The great thing is that this initiative is having an effect and the Library is much quieter. The rules are in place, the staff are enforcing them and it doesn't matter a damn what corcaighabu92 and rebel girl 15 think about it. Happy days, long may it continue. Hopefully they will start using the absence slips too and kicking desk hogs off spaces.

ReacherCreature

Jak O Shadows wrote: »

Hopefully they will start using the absence slips too and kicking desk hogs off spaces.

They'd want to bring them into effect immediately. The 'desk hogs' are worse in some cases than the noisey folk.

rebel girl 15

Jak O Shadows wrote: »

The great thing is that this initiative is having an effect and the Library is much quieter. The rules are in place, the staff are enforcing them and it doesn't matter a damn what corcaighabu92 and rebel girl 15 think about it. Happy days, long may it continue. Hopefully they will start using the absence slips too and kicking desk hogs off spaces.

WTF? Much quieter?? I don't think so - not in my experience anyway! they'll enforce it for a while, then forget about it again! Big hullabaloo over nothing, enforcing the rules at the door - give me a break! Don't know what parts of the library you study in if you think the library is much quieter! Was always quiet where I study!

the hogging of space is a much bigger issue that the noise imo. And another thing, people who use laptops inside in the library and not in the specific room built for them - wish they'd go where there are plenty of sockets, instead of having the whir of fans and clicking when people are trying to read and study - pretty sure some people complaining about noise on here are guilty of that! Surprised it hasn't come up already about noise!

pbowenroe