Death penalty for career criminals?.

yrwhu8jxtni06a

Should we bring back the death penalty for career criminals?,the sort have over 50++ convictions,murder,kill,beat up,rob and be out in couple years time,irish prisons are filling up,bosses are still calling the shots from the cells,prison officers and gardai get death threats or slashed by the same criminals while on duty,yet we still feed them well,pay for their lawyers who give the judge the sob stories of their hardship,give them dole when get out,what do you think?.

lecker Hendl

I would not support the death penalty. The criminals may be animals but I am not. Where is the break off point? 50 convictions and we kill you, but 49 is ok? 50 convictions of theft can get you killed but 40 cases of rape won't? It would not work, especially in Ireland where sentences are already ridiculous for some cases.

firefly08

What is the justification for it?

Preventative measure? Then why wait till they have n convictions?

Deterrent? Look at places where they have the death penalty - it doesn't work as a deterrent.

Punishment/revenge? Who does that benefit?

Economics? That's a barbaric reason to kill someone.

You want to create a deterrent, prevent crime, deliver justice and protect victims? Here's the solution: put Kung Fu, knife-fighting and pistol marksmanship on the school curriculum, from the age of oh, say, around 5. In 15 years you'll have fvck all crime.

RichieC

:rolleyes:

Random

make them work instead of sitting in a cell watching sky. i'm against the death penalty unless guilt is 110% confirmed and not just "beyond a reasonable doubt".

Bobjims

So criminals can kill 49 people and not get the death penalty?

Bruthal

I would not support it myself either, but you do see some cases where you would think the world would be better without them, child abduction and murder type ones. At least they usually never get freed, which for some of them is a worse sentence than a death sentence possibly.

Quiet you

Just electrocuting or shooting someone is a waste though. Why not harvest their organs?

Rapists, murderers and pedophiles destroy or otherwise end lives. Why should the tax payer be expected to foot the bill for containing these people when it would be easier to remove their organs and give them to somebody who deserves a second chance?

Lets not sule out medical experimentation either. Years are lost tetsting on animals before human trials can begin. We could cut the time it takes for new drugs to come to the market, create jobs in the pharmacuitical industry and sleep a little better at night knowing we haven't had to kill any animals and have gotten rid of a few monsters.


Just before all the "troll" comments come in, I'm serious. If you don't respect other peoples rights then as far as I'm concerned you forefit your own.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Quiet you wrote: »

Just electrocuting or shooting someone is a waste though. Why not harvest their organs?

Rapists, murderers and pedophiles destroy or otherwise end lives. Why should the tax payer be expected to foot the bill for containing these people when it would be easier to remove their organs and give them to somebody who deserves a second chance?

Lets not sule out medical experimentation either. Years are lost tetsting on animals before human trials can begin. We could cut the time it takes for new drugs to come to the market, create jobs in the pharmacuitical industry and sleep a little better at night knowing we haven't had to kill any animals and have gotten rid of a few monsters.


Just before all the "troll" comments come in, I'm serious. If you don't respect other peoples rights then as far as I'm concerned you forefit your own.

Quiet you.

Quiet you

Hadassah Damp Tuner wrote: »

Quiet you.

I'll be good:(

Victor

Coen Witty Neighbor wrote: »

Would you support death penalty?

Only for people who advocate for the death penalty ...





Doh!

Spunge

Quiet you wrote: »

Just electrocuting or shooting someone is a waste though. Why not harvest their organs?

Rapists, murderers and pedophiles destroy or otherwise end lives. Why should the tax payer be expected to foot the bill for containing these people when it would be easier to remove their organs and give them to somebody who deserves a second chance?

Lets not sule out medical experimentation either. Years are lost tetsting on animals before human trials can begin. We could cut the time it takes for new drugs to come to the market, create jobs in the pharmacuitical industry and sleep a little better at night knowing we haven't had to kill any animals and have gotten rid of a few monsters.


Just before all the "troll" comments come in, I'm serious. If you don't respect other peoples rights then as far as I'm concerned you forefit your own.

What if a father killed a man who raped his daughter, should he still be subjected to this? What if someone was guilty then later proved innocent after they've been executed? What if god was one of us ? Just a slob like one of us.

grrrrrrrrrr

Do it like a penalty points system... Dono how it'd work out tho

Stinicker

I'm in Thailand, I just witnessed a guy getting busted for drugs tonight, he is getting put to death next week for it. Do I have sympathy for him, absolutely not, a brilliant system and We could do with hanging quite a few scumbags at home, including the liberals who are the cause of most of our problems.

Bobjims

Stinicker wrote: »

I'm in Thailand, I just witnessed a guy getting busted for drugs tonight, he is getting put to death next week for it. Do I have sympathy for him, absolutely not, a brilliant system and We could do with hanging quite a few scumbags at home, including the liberals who are the cause of most of our problems.

But will that still deter others?

Spunge

Stinicker wrote: »

I'm in Thailand, I just witnessed a guy getting busted for drugs tonight, he is getting put to death next week for it. Do I have sympathy for him, absolutely not, a brilliant system and We could do with hanging quite a few scumbags at home, including the liberals who are the cause of most of our problems.

One hopes this is a troll

mikom

Howard Marks was a career criminal in some peoples eyes.
Would you have him executed?

landsleaving

Stinicker wrote: »

I'm in Thailand, I just witnessed a guy getting busted for drugs tonight, he is getting put to death next week for it. Do I have sympathy for him, absolutely not, a brilliant system and We could do with hanging quite a few scumbags at home, including the liberals who are the cause of most of our problems.

KILL THE LIBERALS!

bonerm

I don't believe it would act as a deterrent but I'd be quite happy having said people killed all the same.

mikom

landsleaving wrote: »

KILL THE LIBERALS!

Kill the Malaysian prime minister!!!

tvnutz

Some states in America have a 3 strike rule. 3 major convictions and you get life in prison. So basically it could be 3 armed robberies or assaults,no murder but still get life. Interesting idea I think.

Quiet you

Spunge wrote: »

What if a father killed a man who raped his daughter, should he still be subjected to this? What if someone was guilty then later proved innocent after they've been executed? What if god was one of us ? Just a slob like one of us.

There are extenuating circumstances in law. I wouldn't be up for chopping up and selling off someone if there was doubt about their guilt. Likewise I wouldn't be mad on sending the nutty types off to the mad scientists.

As for god? If he existed them lads in dail eireann would have been struck down with lightning bolts up their ars*s.

Mr McBoatface

tvnutz wrote: »

Some states in America have a 3 strike rule. 3 major convictions and you get life in prison. So basically it could be 3 armed robberies or assaults,no murder but still get life. Interesting idea I think.

The only problem I'd have with that is the cost to the state in keeping them in prison.

Bruthal

grrrrrrrrrr wrote: »

Do it like a penalty points system... Dono how it'd work out tho

12 speeding offence points and its the electric chair:)

Stinicker

Spunge wrote: »

One hopes this is a troll

No I am telling the truth!

Bobjims wrote: »

But will that still deter others?

Will it will stop him from peddling yabba and anything else permanently and serve as a warning to others, I was sitting down and I saw him call this girl over who at first glance looked like an addict hooker, he offered her the yabba and next thing three plain clothes cops had him pinned in seconds.

A brit expat told me it happens here regularly and the guy will be given a right trouncing back in the cell in order to try get him to grass on his supplier and if he does this and they bust the supplier then the judge will probably show lenience and give him 40 years without the chance of parole, if he had a few million baht (a hundred thousand euro) and was a westerner he could walk free being able to buy his way out!

landsleaving

mikom wrote: »

Kill the Malaysian prime minister!!!

KILL WHITEY!

karma_

jobyrne30 wrote: »

The only problem I'd have with that is the cost to the state in keeping them in prison.

Crazy law. Watching QI the other week and hey were talking about this very area. One man is serving life for stealing a packet of biscuits. It runs much deeper there though, where else could you have masses of military equipment made and pay the worker 25cents per hour, it's good for business in the US to have a large prison population, it's criminal in itself.

Spunge

Just do like that one planet in Star Trek, breaking any law is punishable by death, even walking on the grass, that turned out pretty well if i recall correctly

landsleaving

landsleaving wrote: »

KILL WHITEY!

Racist.

Quiet you

jobyrne30 wrote: »

The only problem I'd have with that is the cost to the state in keeping them in prison.

Just sell their organs or let the pharmacuitical industry pay us to experiment on them.

It's all about utilising anything and everything for profit. We could make the prison service profitable.

karma_

Quiet you wrote: »

Just sell their organs or let the pharmacuitical industry pay us to experiment on them.

It's all about utilising anything and everything for profit. We could make the prison service profitable.

Therein lies the problem. It would then become more profitable to lock as many people away as you can and any sense of justice or rehabilitation gets forgotten.

Quiet you

Spunge wrote: »

Just do like that one planet in Star Trek, breaking any law is punishable by death, even walking on the grass, that turned out pretty well if i recall correctly

Didn't they randomly change the law week by week though?

Stupid sexy aliens.

bonerm

Spunge wrote: »

Just do like that one planet in Star Trek, breaking any law is punishable by death, even walking on the grass, that turned out pretty well if i recall correctly

Not really. It looked promising when Wesley was scheduled for execution but the the Star Trekkers found some legal loophole (or maybe just plain ignored the planets customs, I can't remember). Anyway the little snotball got away with it.

Quiet you

karma_ wrote: »

Therein lies the problem. It would then become more profitable to lock as many people away as you can and any sense of justice or rehabilitation gets forgotten.

The serious crimes should be punished by experimentation or organ harvesting along with repeat offenders. The money saved by not having to deal with the people who insist on not acknowledgeing other peoples rights can be used to rehabilitate those that have made a poor decision or two.

The way i see it is why waste so much money on hopless cases when you can take that and put it into helping someone that made a rash or stupid decision?

Quiet you

bonerm wrote: »

Not really. It looked promising when Wesley was scheduled for execution but the the Star Trekkers found some legal loophole (or maybe just plain ignored the planets customs, I can't remember). Anyway the little snotball got away with it.

Captain Picard talked some omnipotent alien protectors into his way of thinking as far as I remember.

twinQuins

Stinicker wrote: »

I'm in Thailand, I just witnessed a guy getting busted for drugs tonight, he is getting put to death next week for it. Do I have sympathy for him, absolutely not, a brilliant system and We could do with hanging quite a few scumbags at home, including the liberals who are the cause of most of our problems.

Of course, Dear Leader.

Capt'n Midnight

Quiet you wrote: »

The serious crimes should be punished by experimentation or organ harvesting along with repeat offenders.

There's a brilliant idea, you don't have to take all the organs at once,
maybe you could do it with probation or good behaviour so that if they behave you don't take the other eye


and if they can't afford bail , we can keep their kidneys on ice


But seriously a lot of scumbags would be drug users so it's not really a runner is it ?

Capt'n Midnight

tvnutz wrote: »

Some states in America have a 3 strike rule. 3 major convictions and you get life in prison. So basically it could be 3 armed robberies or assaults,no murder but still get life. Interesting idea I think.

Get caught breaking into a house three times and it's game over.
on the basis that there might be an altercation with a homeowner

firefly08

But seriously a lot of scumbags would be drug users so it's not really a runner is it ?

We could make a grandfather clause where you forfeit the organs of all your descendants for...I dunno, let's say, 2 or 3 generations? To start with?

Millicent

Stinicker wrote: »

A brit expat told me it happens here regularly and the guy will be given a right trouncing back in the cell in order to try get him to grass on his supplier and if he does this and they bust the supplier then the judge will probably show lenience and give him 40 years without the chance of parole, if he had a few million baht (a hundred thousand euro) and was a westerner he could walk free being able to buy his way out!

Well obviously that system works. *Must not press roll eyes* *Must not press roll eyes*



:rolleyes:

Dammit Stinicker, do you see what you've done?! Death to Stinicker!

Capt'n Midnight

Victor wrote: »

Only for people who advocate for the death penalty ...





Doh!

we could have a lottery amongst all the people who voted for the death penalty, and the 'winner' would get to throw the switch.

And if it turned out the convict was really innocent then the winners life would be forfeit because throwing the switch would have resulted in the murder of a innocent man. We just have another lottery - simples

Of course if DNA evidence later showed that the original convict was really guilty then - lottery !

Dangerous Man

I would like to see the death penalty brought back for a variety of reasons, which, when I have the time, I might mention here. But for now, yes, I do support the death penalty.

Pauleta

Im for it for financial reasons. We cant afford to keep these people in Prison to prevent them from harming society and we need to free up prison spaces for other violent criminals who are in public destroying people's lives.

mikemac

Stinicker wrote: »

A brit expat told me it happens here regularly and the guy will be given a right trouncing back in the cell in order to try get him to grass on his supplier and if he does this and they bust the supplier then the judge will probably show lenience and give him 40 years without the chance of parole, if he had a few million baht (a hundred thousand euro) and was a westerner he could walk free being able to buy his way out!

That's leniency? I was expecting them to walk out and get a relocation package like witness protection.

40 years without parole is some hellhole of a jail isn't much of an incentive to give up your suppliers.
Some people would just take the noose instead.

Kersh

What if a father killed a man who raped his daughter, should he still be subjected to this

That would only be the 1 offence, hardly a career.

More than 5 convictions is more than enough to die for. If the message aint gettin through after 3 then its obviously never going to get through.

Take for example the guy in the news last week who did a 15 year sentence for attacking a girl, was released, attacked another girl within hours, got a 5 year sentence and was released . . . and attacked another girl within hours. . .

Fry motherfuker Frrrryyyyyyyyyyyy

mconigol

They need to be expelled from the country. Seriously. Citizenship revoked.

Build a complex of oil rigs somewhere in the middle of the atlantic and leave them to it. Regular supplies of food and medicine maybe but leave it at that.

We don't need to kill them but we shouldn't be obliged to keep them in our society/community either.














...maybe throw in one gun and wire the place up with hidden cameras for the craic :pac:

TwoShedsJackson

How about death for anyone who does nothing but start $hite threads in AH?

Stone_Roses and CorkMan the first two up against the wall, obviously.

Zulu

Nah make them work for it. Turn the prisons into power plants.

There should be a wheel in every cell that when turned creates electricity. Prisoners should be forced to create energy, which is then added to the power net. This power output could be measured, and offset energy cost for disadvantaged citizens, & victims.
Committing a crime would removed you & your imitate family from this benefit. Any surplus power could go to schools, hospitals, etc..

RMD

Set up a system similar to Stalin's Gulags for career criminals. A ****ty camp up on the coast of Donegal where they break rocks or do some other manual labour all day with ****e food and ****e quality of life. Don't kill them obviously but make it hard enough that they'll come out never wanting to return. The current system is a failure, it's just a training ground for career criminals, as the general put it "the Borstal was my primary, Pats was my secondary and the Joy was my university education". They come out of prison with more knowledge how to commit crimes and that's about it.

common sense brigade

I would be in favour for the death penalty in the cases of children/People being murdered or Raped. Only if DNA evidence had determined criminal 110% guilty. In the case of career criminals like robbers, drug dealers etc i would be in favour of 3 convictions then you automatically get life imprisonment. Ireland is far too liberal when it comes to criminal activity. If anyone else here remembers last year a Roma Gypsy woman got 4 years for beating her 3 year old daughter to death for wetting the bed. I wrote to Alan shatter at the time and was told that the government have nothing to do with how the Judiscial system operates here. Appalled was not the word. That woman should have been hung simple as. She admitted she did it but said she was depressed and didnt mean to kill her 3 year old. Bulls*&^. In USA she would be on death Row. But we will allow her back out in 3 years now to her free gaff and her lone parents payments. free to have more children. Ireland Stinks people, and the liberals stink the most

Jimmy the Wheel

Quiet you wrote: »

It's all about utilising anything and everything for profit. We could make the prison service profitable.

The problem with doing things for profit is that can lead to all sorts of abuses...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/09/us/09judge.html?_r=1&ref=markaciavarella

As for the poster accusing liberals of being the source of the world's problems, the baby Jesus wept.