Where are America now?

Warper

Where are America now? With all the unrest going on in the Middle East with Gaddifi threatening to cleanse every household if they do no succumb to his will, there isnt a peep out of America. They are allies with most of the dictators in the oil rich region so they turn a blind eye when something does not suit them. Hypocritical war-machine America who only invade other countries when they have something to gain financially.

chin_grin

How do I shot web?

brummytom

Well according to this, they're working on a new album

ejmaztec

Warper wrote: »

Where are America now? With all the unrest going on in the Middle East with Gaddifi threatening to cleanse every household if they do no succumb to his will, there isnt a peep out of America. They are allies with most of the dictators in the oil rich region so they turn a blind eye when something does not suit them. Hypocritical war-machine America who only invade other countries when they have something to gain financially.

I thought that was Barry Scott

dilallio

Warper wrote: »

Where are America now? With all the unrest going on in the Middle East with Gaddifi threatening to cleanse every household if they do no succumb to his will......

Gadaffi is in AFRICA.

Penn

You do realise that Team America: World Police was only partly based on fact, don't you?

MrStuffins

America!!

F*CK YEAH!!!!

MrStuffins

By the way, you asked a question, you answered it, now go back to sleep!

sink

Warper wrote: »

Where are America now? With all the unrest going on in the Middle East with Gaddifi threatening to cleanse every household if they do no succumb to his will, there isnt a peep out of America. They are allies with most of the dictators in the oil rich region so they turn a blind eye when something does not suit them. Hypocritical war-machine America who only invade other countries when they have something to gain financially.

Gaddafi is not Mubarak. Gaddafi and the US hate each other. Regan even bombed Libya in 86 and Gadaffi was behind many terrorist attacks on the US including the Lockerbie bombing in which many US citizens were killed. The US has condemned the violence and is probably going to support sanctions in the UNSC. What more can they really do short of declaring war?

smk89

It really says alot about our education system if you cant find America. Or realise that countries stay in the same place

chin_grin

sink wrote: »

Gaddafi is not Mubarak. Gaddafi and the US hate each other. Regan even bombed Libya in 86 and Gadaffi was behind many terrorist attacks on the US including the Lockerbie bombing in which many US citizens were killed. The US has condemned the violence and is probably going to support sanctions in the UNSC. What more can they really do short of declaring war?

So................what you're telling me is.................the butler did it?

ejmaztec

dilallio wrote: »

Gadaffi is in AFRICA.

He's talking about Gadiffi.

chin_grin

ejmaztec wrote: »

He's talking about Gadiffi.

I Gadiffi-ling he was.

<.........I know>

AnonoBoy

A couple of thousand miles west of us I'd imagine unless continental drift has gone mental over night.

Simple. They're busy in Iraq.

If Bush hadn't come on his wargasm early, the US military could have been sent in as heroes and strung Gadaffi up.

It's Bush's fault. He dicked with the wrong dictator.

Sanjuro

sink wrote: »

The US has condemned the violence and is probably going to support sanctions in the UNSC.

Ah, the UN. One of the most useless organisations on the planet.

Iwasfrozen

Sanjuro wrote: »

Ah, the UN. One of the most useless organisations on the planet.

:eek:??

Sanjuro

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

:eek:??

The UN will cluck their tongues, stroke their beards, and talk about what’s to be done with this Muammar Gadaffi?

But at the end of the day, everything the UN has done in the past in terms of Libya has been useless. Gadaffi has ignored everything they've said. And at the end of the day, they're shackled by the fact that the US has the most power in the UN. Whatever they say goes. Therefore, the UN is useless.

Iwasfrozen

Sanjuro wrote: »

The UN will cluck their tongues, stroke their beards, and talk about what’s to be done with this Muammar Gadaffi?

But at the end of the day, everything the UN has done in the past in terms of Libya has been useless. Gadaffi has ignored everything they've said. And at the end of the day, they're shackled by the fact that the US has the most power in the UN. Whatever they say goes. Therefore, the UN is useless.

The UN isn't useless and the US has no more power then any other security council member like the UK.

And the UN can't do anything because it has to respect members sovereignties.

FlutterinBantam

Warper wrote: »

Where are America now? With all the unrest going on in the Middle East with Gaddifi threatening to cleanse every household if they do no succumb to his will, there isnt a peep out of America. They are allies with most of the dictators in the oil rich region so they turn a blind eye when something does not suit them. Hypocritical war-machine America who only invade other countries when they have something to gain financially.

Where are your lads?

The do-gooders and the crusties who eschew every cause and criticise big time?


Time they did something isn't it.?

Mark200

Perhaps they're learning from the mistakes of previous administrations and not just going to launch themselves into something that, in reality, is none of their business.

Obviously the international community should be whatever they can to stop what's going on, but it's not for America to make unilateral decisions.

Freddie59

Warper wrote: »

Where are America now? With all the unrest going on in the Middle East with Gaddifi threatening to cleanse every household if they do no succumb to his will, there isnt a peep out of America. They are allies with most of the dictators in the oil rich region so they turn a blind eye when something does not suit them. Hypocritical war-machine America who only invade other countries when they have something to gain financially.

I must to admit to a chuckle when I read this. Usual story. America does something - they're warmongerers. America does nothing and everyone wants them to go in. Some things never change. Ever.

the groutch

The Americans only get involved if there's enough oil in it for them

jackiebaron

Deleted User wrote: »

Simple. They're busy in Iraq.

If Bush hadn't come on his wargasm early, the US military could have been sent in as heroes and strung Gadaffi up.

It's Bush's fault. He dicked with the wrong dictator.

Why would they string him up? They support him now. They only vilified him when he refused to open up his economy to US markets (like Iran, North Korea and Venezuela) in the 1980's. But since then Clinton got him to let US companies into Libya so now they love him even if he is still a brutal bastard who crushes his people.

Gordon Gecko

Warper wrote: »

Where are America now? With all the unrest going on in the Middle East with Gaddifi threatening to cleanse every household if they do no succumb to his will, there isnt a peep out of America. They are allies with most of the dictators in the oil rich region so they turn a blind eye when something does not suit them. Hypocritical war-machine America who only invade other countries when they have something to gain financially.

Cut the bullsh** do you think invading Afghanistan or Iraq actually made them any money? If they went in and took out Gaddafi they'd unite the middle east and north africa against them. Not to mention play into the hands of Islamic extremists who are looking to take power in Libya. Letting things ride for the minute is the smart move.

And @ the groutch: Enough of the pinko crap please! I don't have the time or the energy to lecture you and all the cretins out there who seem to think every war the US fights is a matter of securing oil

That was easy. Give me a harder one next time.

Sticky_Fingers

the groutch wrote: »

The Americans only get involved if there's enough oil in it for them

Well considering Libya is the 12th largest oil producer in the world at the moment, producing light sweet crude which is apparently the most valuable kind. Also much of Libya still needs to be explored for oil so the true extent of their resources is expected to be enormous. I would think that would be a good enough incentive for anyone.

chucken1

Deleted User wrote: »

That was easy. Give me a harder one next time.

Where did I leave my glasses?

Rented Mule

Warper wrote: »

Where are America now? With all the unrest going on in the Middle East with Gaddifi threatening to cleanse every household if they do no succumb to his will, there isnt a peep out of America. They are allies with most of the dictators in the oil rich region so they turn a blind eye when something does not suit them. Hypocritical war-machine America who only invade other countries when they have something to gain financially.

Gaddafi has been rather well behaved since the USA put a cruise missile through his window in April 1986. I would never consider him to be an ally.

As a matter of fact American's are not even allowed/welcome to enter Libya, but I guess the facts kind of get in the way of generalizations.

RMD

1. Libya is the twelfth largest oil producing country worldwide with most of their oil produce being the lighter shorter chain molecules which have the greatest demand and economic return so they would be a viable country to invade for oil.

2. The west doesn't like Gaddafi, he's been responsible for a lot of crap including funding the Black September Movement, supporting the PLO, providing arms to the PIRA and being pretty close to the Soviets during the Cold war. He hasn't done much in the previous 2 decades to warm relations either, he's still viewed as a leader to be wary of.

3. America is currently tied up in Afghanistan and Iraq which they're trying to pull out of essentially, considering Obama's policy on war how do you think the American public will respond to another war / invasion? Considering there's been just short of 6,000 American military deaths in Iraq / Afghanistan do you think the Americans want to rush into another war.

4. America has lost enough support worldwide with it's actions in Iraq / Afghanistan, another war will hurt their support yet again. Not to mention invading Libya will be another propoganda victory for Islamic fundamentalists meaning waves of new recruits. Last thing the west needs.

So ye, there's plenty of reasons why America wont invade Libya, do a bit of research next time, it's not hard.

jackiebaron

RMD wrote: »

1. Libya is the twelfth largest oil producing country worldwide with most of their oil produce being the lighter shorter chain molecules which have the greatest demand and economic return so they would be a viable country to invade for oil.

2. The west doesn't like Gaddafi, he's been responsible for a lot of crap including funding the Black September Movement, supporting the PLO, providing arms to the PIRA and being pretty close to the Soviets during the Cold war. He hasn't done much in the previous 2 decades to warm relations either, he's still viewed as a leader to be wary of.

3. America is currently tied up in Afghanistan and Iraq which they're trying to pull out of essentially, considering Obama's policy on war how do you think the American public will respond to another war / invasion? Considering there's been just short of 6,000 American military deaths in Iraq / Afghanistan do you think the Americans want to rush into another war.

4. America has lost enough support worldwide with it's actions in Iraq / Afghanistan, another war will hurt their support yet again. Not to mention invading Libya will be another propoganda victory for Islamic fundamentalists meaning waves of new recruits. Last thing the west needs.

So ye, there's plenty of reasons why America wont invade Libya, do a bit of research next time, it's not hard.

The US are keeping shtum on this because they don't know what to say or do. They can't come out and denounce him because they support him and have done so for the last decade. They can't voice support for him because that would fly in the face of all the bullsh1t they always spout about democracy and liberty and all that other freedom hogwash.

An adept survivor, Gaddafi came onside in the “War on Terror” after the 9/11 attacks, prompting the most miserably transparent examples of hypocrisy on the part of Western nations, as their leaders queued up to welcome the former pariah as an ally, and barely managed to disguise their excitement at having access to Libya’s rich oil reserves. And governments in Washington and London have been eager to rebrand Libyan exiles in their countries as "enemy combatants" at Ghadaffi's behest and fcuk them into Guantanamo.

RichieC

The democrats hold the whitehouse so the CIA do their dirty work.

UglyBolloxFace

Gordon Gecko wrote: »

And @ the groutch: Enough of the pinko crap please! I don't have the time or the energy to lecture you and all the cretins out there who seem to think every war the US fights is a matter of securing oil

Okay, I have a question for you. If it wasn't about the oil, then what was it about?

And please spare me the spiel and bull**** about WMDs.

Thanks, look forward to hearing from you.

Lirange

jackiebaron wrote: »

Why would they string him up? They support him now. They only vilified him when he refused to open up his economy to US markets (like Iran, North Korea and Venezuela) in the 1980's. But since then Clinton got him to let US companies into Libya so now they love him even if he is still a brutal bastard who crushes his people.

Yes they're real chummy aren't they?

jackiebaron

Freddie59 wrote: »

I must to admit to a chuckle when I read this. Usual story. America does something - they're warmongerers. America does nothing and everyone wants them to go in. Some things never change. Ever.

Nobody is wringing their hands about the US not "doing" something. They are calling the Americans out on their hypocrisy of banging on about freedom and liberty and all that sh!t yet they keep silent about Libya because they fcuking support Ghadaffi.

The Libyan people are well able to liberate themselves from a tyrannical dictator if they want to. Just like the Iraqis are capable of overthrowing a dictator is they wanted to. Nobody needs the stupid fcuking Americans coming in and "liberating" them when in actual fact they are there to plunder their country.

gargleblaster

here's a newsflash: "the americans" aren't a single entity. the previous administration was well into pre-emptive wars. this one, not so much.

christ, the ignorance/arrogance.

prinz

jackiebaron wrote: »

Just like the Iraqis are capable of overthrowing a dictator is they wanted to..

The Iraqis tried to. They failed. They appealed for outside help. Unfortunately that help was years too late for many.

tricky D

Sanjuro wrote: »

Ah, the UN. One of the most useless organisations on the planet.

Nope. The UNSC is a great forum for the biggest arms manufacturing countries to shape their markets.

Manic Moran

As a matter of fact American's are not even allowed/welcome to enter Libya, but I guess the facts kind of get in the way of generalizations.

Apparently there are several thousand US citizens in Libya right now.

What does the OP suggest the US does? Who should they bomb? The Libyan military and government bodies appear split down the middle, and there's not much way of determining rebel from loyalist forces from the air.

Any military action is likely to be limited to the level of providing local security at a port or airport to allow evacuations by foreign governments of their citizens. A typical grunt on the ground is going to have absolutely no way of knowing what's going on if he's suddenly plonked into the middle of Benghazi with a rifle, he'll be of no positive use, and may instead simply become a target.

NTM

Rented Mule

RichieC wrote: »

The democrats hold the whitehouse so the CIA do their dirty work.

LMAO

You do realise that George H.W. Bush was the Director of the CIA ?

amacachi

For once the US seem to be doing the right thing, i.e., minding their own business. How long that'll last is another thing though, it'll depend on whether or not the elections all go the way they want them to.

take everything

ejmaztec wrote: »

He's talking about Gadiffi.

So that's what the Times are calling him now. :pac:

FlutterinBantam

the groutch wrote: »

The Americans only get involved if there's enough oil in it for them

Any more 'original' ideas?:rolleyes:

Mr. Spock

Deleted User wrote: »

Simple. They're busy in Iraq.

If Bush hadn't come on his wargasm early, the US military could have been sent in as heroes and strung Gadaffi up.

It's Bush's fault. He dicked with the wrong dictator.

If you believe this you have a poor understanding of how our government works.

FlutterinBantam

jackiebaron wrote: »

Nobody is wringing their hands about the US not "doing" something. They are calling the Americans out on their hypocrisy of banging on about freedom and liberty and all that sh!t yet they keep silent about Libya because they fcuking support Ghadaffi.

The Libyan people are well able to liberate themselves from a tyrannical dictator if they want to. Just like the Iraqis are capable of overthrowing a dictator is they wanted to. Nobody needs the stupid fcuking Americans coming in and "liberating" them when in actual fact they are there to plunder their country.

Total load of bollox John.

Iraqis capable of overthrowing their dictator, 2045 maybe.

Why don't you get a grip and stop making a fool of yourself with this blind hatred of the US.


Did you get refused for a Green Card due to substance abuse or something?

Mr. Spock

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Total load of bollox John.

Iraqis capable of overthrowing their dictator, 2045 maybe.

Why don't you get a grip and stop making a fool of yourself with this blind hatred of the US.


Did you get refused for a Green Card due to substance abuse or something?

This is an Irish forum buddy, all Europeans hate us.

FlutterinBantam

Mr. Spock wrote: »

This is an Irish forum buddy, all Europeans hate us.

Sorry forgot that.

Wonder who do they think keeps all these head bangers in order?

Hey, sure they don't have to worry about that, just shovel out the shit.


As usual.

Fattes

They interfere they are wrong they don't interfere they are wrong!

Where is the UN? Where is Russia, where is the UK? OP Get over yourself

Freddie59

jackiebaron wrote: »

Nobody is wringing their hands about the US not "doing" something. They are calling the Americans out on their hypocrisy of banging on about freedom and liberty and all that sh!t yet they keep silent about Libya because they fcuking support Ghadaffi.

The Libyan people are well able to liberate themselves from a tyrannical dictator if they want to. Just like the Iraqis are capable of overthrowing a dictator is they wanted to. Nobody needs the stupid fcuking Americans coming in and "liberating" them when in actual fact they are there to plunder their country.

How very naive of you. Do you really think unarmed people who are being shot at with Ack Ack guns, and having ordnance dropped on them, can really free themselves?

And think again my friend.The 'stupid fcuking Americans' as you call them are the last line of defence between tinpot regimes and the freedom we enjoy. I'll take them ahead of those clowns any time.

Freddie59

the groutch wrote: »

The Americans only get involved if there's enough oil in it for them

Interestingly, the Americans import 60% of their oil requirements. Their largest supplier? No, not any ME country, but.................................Canada.

Freddie59

Fattes wrote: »

They interfere they are wrong they don't interfere they are wrong!

Where is the UN? Where is Russia, where is the UK? OP Get over yourself

+1 to that.