JNLR

Btr

Initial results today seem to suggest 2fm and FF have a lot in common. Given that they've given us Hector, Lucy, Baz etc I won't be shedding any tears for them.

Rubik.

Hector now has 133,000 listeners. Don't know if that's up or down, but 2fm's twitter seems excited by it.

http://twitter.com/RTE2fm

GSF

Rubik. wrote: »

Hector now has 133,000 listeners. Don't know if that's up or down, but 2fm's twitter seems excited by it.

http://twitter.com/RTE2fm

Looks like RTE spin quoting Hectors average listenership and average quarter hours for Tubridy vs D'Arcy.

What they dont say is alot more enlightening!

EDIT:

AQH 7am-7pm
Today FM 88k
2FM 77k

Breakfast AQH
Hector 59,000
Ian Dempsey 80,875

Mid-Mornings AQH
Tubridy 141,250
Ray Darcy 131,500

Rubik.

RTE radio +1%
2fm -1%
Today fm no change
Newstalk no change
Lyric no change

http://bai.ie/pdfs/20110217_jnlr-jandec2010bf.pdf

telekon

What the hell? How can Newstalk's figures still be the same considering the public's appetite for anything current affairs related in the past year?!?

Practically everyone is talking politics or the economy, shouldnt this be reflected in their listening habits??

Very very disappointing. How much longer can Denis O'Brien keep bankrolling it? If Newstalk folded, I for one would be devastated...

mike65

2FM now on 13% of the national market (weekday reach), when this forum first started threads on the ratings 2FM was on about 20%

JNLR WEEKDAY REACH FIGURES
January – December 2005
RTÉ 2FM - 21

JNLR WEEKDAY REACH FIGURES
January 2006-December 2006
RTÉ 2FM - 18

JNLR WEEKDAY REACH FIGURES
October 2006 – September 2007
RTÉ 2FM - 18

JNLR WEEKDAY REACH FIGURES
April 2008 – March 2009
RTE 2FM - 16

JNLR WEEKDAY REACH FIGURES
JANUARY 2009 – DECEMBER 2009
RTE 2FM - 15

Colmo52

More here:

http://www.rte.ie/radio/listeners/

Radio 1
Top 5 Programmes
Morning Ireland (449,000)
The Marian Finucane Show on Saturday(400,000)
Liveline (392,000)
The Marian Finucane Show on Sunday(369,000)
The Business (351,000)

2fm
Top 5 Programmes
Tubridy (216,000)
Colm Hayes (161,000)
Zig & Zag's Smells like Saturday(143,000)
Rick in the Afternoon (134,000)
Breakfast with Hector (133,000)


Lyric fm
Top 5 Programmes
Niall Carroll's Classic Drive (50,000)
Lorcan Murray's Class Drive on Saturday (49,000)
Lorcan Murray's Classic Drive on Sunday (48,000)
Sunday with Gay Byrne (46,000)
Movies & Musicals(38,000)

telekon

Colmo52 wrote: »

More here:

http://www.rte.ie/radio/listeners/

Radio 1
Top 5 Programmes
Morning Ireland (449,000)
The Marian Finucane Show on Saturday(400,000)
Liveline (392,000)
The Marian Finucane Show on Sunday(369,000)
The Business (351,000)

2fm
Top 5 Programmes
Tubridy (216,000)
Colm Hayes (161,000)
Zig & Zag's Smells like Saturday(143,000)
Rick in the Afternoon (134,000)
Breakfast with Hector (133,000)


Lyric fm
Top 5 Programmes
Niall Carroll's Classic Drive (50,000)
Lorcan Murray's Class Drive on Saturday (49,000)
Lorcan Murray's Classic Drive on Sunday (48,000)
Sunday with Gay Byrne (46,000)
Movies & Musicals(38,000)

The AQH figure is 141,000. How does this work?

GSF

telekon wrote: »

The AQH figure is 141,000. How does this work?

216k is the total number of listeners for any part of the show. The average listener listens to the show for about 80 minutes not the full 120 minutes.

Personally I last about 30 seconds

Badabing

Got this from jrnl.ie, NT breakfast show down 2,000 Hook down 5,000 Cooper down 1,000 Kenny and Morning Ireland all up. That's crazy if Newstalk Breakfast show is still losing listeners:eek:

telekon

Badabing wrote: »

Got this from jrnl.ie, NT breakfast show down 2,000 Hook down 5,000 Cooper down 1,000 Kenny and Morning Ireland all up. That's crazy if Newstalk Breakfast show is still losing listeners:eek:

Ah ffs! I dont believe that for a second. So an improved, more topical than ever service is shedding numbers??? This doesnt make sense at all...

Claire Byrne was more of a hit than Chris and Ivan??...bullsh*t!! :mad:

JonathanAnon

GSF wrote: »

216k is the total number of listeners for any part of the show. The average listener listens to the show for about 80 minutes not the full 120 minutes. Personally I last about 30 seconds

Can we work out how many people turn off when he mentions Willy Wonka or JFK?

fabbydabby

I'd imagine that 2FM are down because it's younger people who listen and they've all gone on the boat to England to work on the buildings.

GSF

fabbydabby wrote: »

I'd imagine that 2FM are down because it's younger people who listen and they've all gone on the boat to England to work on the buildings.

plus 2FM told them to piss off as they weren't interested in them anymore.

Bard

Got this in the email from Radio Nova:

http://zoomailer.net/KQS-DC0F-7332T16F8B/cr.aspx

It says:

We've already got more than half as many listeners in the Dublin commuter area as Today FM, 2FM and Newstalk - and we've already clocked up 120,000 weekly listeners!

18 weeks old and we're the fastest growing station in the business and the most successful radio station launch in years.

More here: http://www.nova.ie/2011/02/radio-novas-jnlr-figures/

Badabing

I don't know the ins and out of how radio stations make money but i would presume that if Newstalks morning scheulde is doing very poorly in the JNLR they must be losing alot of money and on weekend mornings aswell.

Bard

Badabing wrote: »

I don't know the ins and out of how radio stations make money but i would presume that if Newstalks morning scheulde is doing very poorly in the JNLR they must be losing alot of money and on weekend mornings aswell.

Newstalk make money from sponsorship, sales of on-air advertising and from selling their news feed to other stations. If they are making a loss, it would presumably be offset by the profits of the other stations in the Communicorp group.

Rubik.

This time last year Colm and JimJim had 24,000 more listeners than Hector does now.

Whoever decided that Tubridy and Hector was the way to go for 2fm has got it very wrong.

fred funk }{

Lads, I really can't believe newstalk's breakfast show is down on listeners. Its so much better than it was and it's rarely turned off before 10 in the van in mornings.

I call JNLR a sham.

mike65

Why? radio listeners are possibly the most conservative people on the planet when it comes to habit - RTE1 is where the dial stays morning noon and night every day of the week for hundreds of thousands. They probably don't know Newstalk exists.

telekon

telekon wrote: »

Ah ffs! I dont believe that for a second. So an improved, more topical than ever service is shedding numbers??? This doesnt make sense at all...

Claire Byrne was more of a hit than Chris and Ivan??...bullsh*t!! :mad:

fred funk }{ wrote: »

Lads, I really can't believe newstalk's breakfast show is down on listeners. Its so much better than it was and it's rarely turned off before 10 in the van in mornings.

I call JNLR a sham.

I am in total agreement Fred.

I call shenanigans on this survey...

Aidric

fred funk }{ wrote: »

Lads, I really can't believe newstalk's breakfast show is down on listeners. Its so much better than it was and it's rarely turned off before 10 in the van in mornings.

I call JNLR a sham.

I'm not at all surprised. While Yates is an extremely competent performer, O Donoghue is merely a lightweight who has been found out. He doesn't carry the gravitas and intellect needed to go up against Morning Ireland.

sataction

JNLR figures are rubbish.

If you think they are accurate you are only fooling yourself.

Bard

sataction wrote: »

JNLR figures are rubbish.

If you think they are accurate you are only fooling yourself.

Really? And what wonderful conclusive research have you got to back that up?

Lets face it, many advertisers rely on JNLR's to decide on who they should be running their ad campaigns with - so to radio stations, they're FAR from rubbish!

fred funk }{

Aidric wrote: »

I'm not at all surprised. While Yates is an extremely competent performer, O Donoghue is merely a lightweight who has been found out. He doesn't carry the gravitas and intellect needed to go up against Morning Ireland.

I dont think he's that bad TBH. Morning Ireland/RTE are too "in the governments pocket" for my liking. Newstalk gives a good honest broadcast and doesn't come across as having an agenda. If newstalk ceases to exist it will be a sad day for broadcasting in Ireland.

Cole

mike65 wrote: »

Why? radio listeners are possibly the most conservative people on the planet when it comes to habit - RTE1 is where the dial stays morning noon and night every day of the week for hundreds of thousands. They probably don't know Newstalk exists.

I'm inclined to agree with this. I'm not sure how exactly the JNLR figures are gathered, but I'm guessing it's a random survey just asking people what they listen to? So they're not surveying radio 'fans', who listen to a lot of different stations/shows.

I'd imagine you're just going to get people who stick on the same station every day. If I mention the likes of 4FM or Nova to people, I'm amazed at how many have never even heard of them.......nevermind listen in.

Rubik.

Cole wrote: »

I'm inclined to agree with this. I'm not sure how exactly the JNLR figures are gathered, but I'm guessing it's a random survey just asking people what they listen to? So they're not surveying radio 'fans', who listen to a lot of different stations/shows.

A sample of 15,000 people are interviewed about what they listened to the day before.

http://www.info.ipsosmrbi.com/jnlr/methodology

heybaby

Bard wrote: »

Really? And what wonderful conclusive research have you got to back that up?

Lets face it, many advertisers rely on JNLR's to decide on who they should be running their ad campaigns with - so to radio stations, they're FAR from rubbish!

How many people do you know of who have actually been asked to take part in the JNLR survey ever?? I have never met a single person and none of my radio friends have ever met a single person who took part in or heard of anyone anecdotally taking part in a JNLR survey. I

ts all a bit too cloak and dagger for me. The BAI need to come clean and give specifics about when and where JNLR surveys were actually taken and if need be a third party independently verify JNLR results.

There is far too much riding on the back of each book for the entire process to be so vague and shrouded in mystery. Why do I care? Because somebody somewhere will lose their job becasue of todays JNLR results.

fred funk }{

mike65 wrote: »

Why? radio listeners are possibly the most conservative people on the planet when it comes to habit - RTE1 is where the dial stays morning noon and night every day of the week for hundreds of thousands. They probably don't know Newstalk exists.

Yes and maybe those people are the same people who will still vote for Fianna Fail no matter how much they've fooked up the country.

mike65

I bet there is a significant venn-diagram style crossover! Newstalk are probably favoured by FG and independent voters.

Fuzzy Clam

heybaby wrote: »

How many people do you know of who have actually been asked to take part in the JNLR survey ever?? I have never met a single person and none of my radio friends have ever met a single person who took part in or heard of anyone anecdotally taking part in a JNLR survey.

For what its worth, I've taken part in 2 surveys. A fair few years ago mind. Each time I was working in the same premises.

heybaby

heybaby wrote: »

How many people do you know of who have actually been asked to take part in the JNLR survey ever?? I have never met a single person and none of my radio friends have ever met a single person who took part in or heard of anyone anecdotally taking part in a JNLR survey. I

ts all a bit too cloak and dagger for me. The BAI need to come clean and give specifics about when and where JNLR surveys were actually taken and if need be a third party independently verify JNLR results.

There is far too much riding on the back of each book for the entire process to be so vague and shrouded in mystery. Why do I care? Because somebody somewhere will lose their job becasue of todays JNLR results.

I've done 2 or 3 of them.
For the record,I mostly listen to morning Ireland,Murray,kenny,news at one.
Then it's newstalk for the afternoon including Hook for the drivetime.
I've always been asked my age group.

telekon

mike65 wrote: »

I bet there is a significant venn-diagram style crossover! Newstalk are probably favoured by FG and independent voters.

...then surely Newstalk is presently the most listened to station in the country. :cool:

mrsdewinter

Anybody notice the coverage in the Times? You have to get halfway down the story before they mention any station other than RTE. I'm a pretty conservative radio listener - my listening extends to RTE, Newstalk and Ray D'Arcy - but cripes, the story is narrow. It just seems like a typical "meedja talking about the meedja" story. Real people listen to 104 or 98FM or i102... Newspapers write about stations we should be listening to

telekon

Another thing I don't get about the figures.

I have alluded to this before but its worth mentioning again I think. A lot of my friends have started listening to Newstalk daily in the past year alone as they've taken an interest in politics and the economy (plus,theyre hitting that age along with myself )

Now I know thats a tiny sample but surely this has been replicated elsewhere even amongst other posters here? I still dont believe for a second that Newstalk shows (except lunchtime) are dropping listeners...

BrianD

Fuzzy Clam wrote: »

For what its worth, I've taken part in 2 surveys. A fair few years ago mind. Each time I was working in the same premises.

By premises, do you mean at home? If so it's unlikely that you participated in the JNLR.

How many people do you know of who have actually been asked to take part in the JNLR survey ever?? I have never met a single person and none of my radio friends have ever met a single person who took part in or heard of anyone anecdotally taking part in a JNLR survey. I

ts all a bit too cloak and dagger for me. The BAI need to come clean and give specifics about when and where JNLR surveys were actually taken and if need be a third party independently verify JNLR results.

There is far too much riding on the back of each book for the entire process to be so vague and shrouded in mystery. Why do I care? Because somebody somewhere will lose their job becasue of todays JNLR results.

There's no mystery to it. Go to the JNLR site and it tells you how the survey is done and where the sampling points are. The sampling points differ for every survey. The survey itself is a very detailed questionaire that is conducted face to face in home. Every quarter hour of listening is gone through. It's all done by IPSOS MRBI one of the largest research companies in the state.

Given the size of the sample, it is unlikely that you would ever meet anybody who has done the JNLR survey. I know one person who has but that's it.

BrianD

Sorry, I should correct something "By premises, do you mean at home? If NOT it's unlikely that you participated in the JNLR."

JNLR interviews are only done in home.

Clutterfree88

Have to agree with alot of the commments on NT, I'm of the vintage listening to pop stations in the 80's and now have Newstalk on from the clock alarm, car and the office, can't believe their figures aren't showing a significant lift especially in this election time.

Rubik.

mrsdewinter wrote: »

Anybody notice the coverage in the Times? You have to get halfway down the story before they mention any station other than RTE. I'm a pretty conservative radio listener - my listening extends to RTE, Newstalk and Ray D'Arcy - but cripes, the story is narrow. It just seems like a typical "meedja talking about the meedja" story. Real people listen to 104 or 98FM or i102... Newspapers write about stations we should be listening to

Tubridy referred to this article as being the most sober assessment of his disastrous JNLR results, even though all that assessment consisted of was an uncritical parroting of the head of 2fms rather unbelievable excuses.

lempsipmax

Clutterfree88 wrote: »

Have to agree with alot of the commments on NT, I'm of the vintage listening to pop stations in the 80's and now have Newstalk on from the clock alarm, car and the office, can't believe their figures aren't showing a significant lift especially in this election time.

You must remember that as you slide inexorably towards middle age to the sounds of NewsTalk there lots of people, now the age you were when you listened to pop stations and guess what they are doing?

Listening to pop stations.

mike65

Rubik. wrote: »

Tubridy referred to this article as being the most sober assessment of his disastrous JNLR results, even though all that assessment consisted of was an uncritical parroting of the head of 2fms rather unbelievable excuses.

Did he say disastrous? Please tell me he did!

Rubik.

mike65 wrote: »

Did he say disastrous? Please tell me he did!

Nah, that was my take on them...not his.

tbh

Aidric wrote: »

I'm not at all surprised. While Yates is an extremely competent performer, O Donoghue is merely a lightweight who has been found out. He doesn't carry the gravitas and intellect needed to go up against Morning Ireland.

yeah - my take on this: while a lot of us didn't like Claire Byrne, the numbers who turned off because of her were less than the numbers who turned on because of her. When she left, those people who listened to the show because of her (they exist!) turned off. Chris is a reporter, not an anchor.
Also, the newstalk show is much more "listen to these peoples opinions on the news" whereas MI is more "here is the news, make up your own mind". I think in times like these, people just want the facts. It makes Newstalks "state run spin" campaign slightly ironic imo.

Any figures on the John Murray show? My god that show is muck.

Bard

heybaby wrote: »

How many people do you know of who have actually been asked to take part in the JNLR survey ever??

Two or three. Not sure. But regardless, I dont doubt the genuinity of the survey and unlike you I dont see anything sinister or cloak-and-dagger about it.

Rubik.

tbh wrote: »

Any figures on the John Murray show? My god that show is muck.

Up 2,000 and in the top 10.

blue4ever

Regarding 2FM - a picture says it all

Skid

mrsdewinter wrote: »

Anybody notice the coverage in the Times? You have to get halfway down the story before they mention any station other than RTE. I'm a pretty conservative radio listener - my listening extends to RTE, Newstalk and Ray D'Arcy - but cripes, the story is narrow. It just seems like a typical "meedja talking about the meedja" story. Real people listen to 104 or 98FM or i102... Newspapers write about stations we should be listening to

I agree, it's a shocking article,

Basically the RTE press release reproduced in full, and a few comments from the other stations with no objective analysis whatsoever.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0218/1224290139576.html?via=mr

mike65

Trouble is Team Tubs can still point to their show as the high point of the day.

The whole station is in deep trouble, at some point someone in RTEs top brass is going to say the unsayable - thats maybe its time to sell 2FM and pocket the cash. Not sure what you'd get for it though, and its hard to see what a potential buyer would see in it. Once you change a few presenters and music policies its a different station, I suppose its national coverage is the thing.

GSF

mike65 wrote: »

The whole station is in deep trouble, at some point someone in RTEs top brass is going to say the unsayable - thats maybe its time to sell 2FM and pocket the cash.

It should be the shareholder making that decision not RTE management.

mike65

The minister for Comms?

Badabing

Bard wrote: »

Newstalk make money from sponsorship, sales of on-air advertising and from selling their news feed to other stations. If they are making a loss, it would presumably be offset by the profits of the other stations in the Communicorp group.

I presume it's not sutainable tho? the Breakfast show is getting 70,000 odd listeners same with Dunne they should be at least 100,000 each thus making more money for the station.