Eamonn Ryan wants to tax the internet to pay for RTE!!!

skelliser

One approach to the financing of public sector broadcasting, including the possibility of other media, involves some small charge on the volume of data. This type of funding model would fund public service content and be much easier to charge and cheaper to operate than our current license fee collection system.

http://greenparty.newsweaver.ie/1meu70zu3u8nagng2rkjst?email=true

If you still werent sure that the greens were/are a bunch of nutters then here is your answer.

To pay for Joe Duffy, Pat Kenny, Ryan Tubridy and Marian Finuncan all of whom earn hundreds of thousands of euro a year Ryan wants to tax the amount you download!!

Here's my idea that will actually save us money! sell off RTE!!

EverEvolving

They would have to make sure people had decent broadband then so it might be worth it.

General General

skelliser wrote: »

Here's my idea that will actually save us money! sell off RTE!!

Who'd buy RTE for anything other than a handful of magic beans?

Sanjuro

Jesus. Just when I thought the guy couldn't get any more idiotic or devoid of ideas that actually work, he comes out with this gem. What an absolute bell-end.

AnonoBoy

General General wrote: »

Who'd buy RTE for anything other than a handful of magic beans?

I'll see your magic beans and raise you this invisible typewriter!

dilbert2

Brilliant and so close-to the election as well. I hope Greena Fail fall down the same bottomless pit that FF go down after the next election, they are nothing but a bunch of frauds who have betrayed their political ideals and have kept one of the most corrupt political parties in Europe afloat for longer than necessary just to stay in power.


Bye bye Fianna Fail, bye bye Greena Fail (former name: Green Party).

SEPT 23 1989

They wont ever be in power again so i would not worry about what these zealots say

My name is URL

If they'd be doing away with the licence fee at the same time then it's not a terrible idea

Rubik.

Realistically, The Greens are only going to have one TD in the next Dail and it isn't going to be Eamon Ryan. So his opinions are no more relevant that any other random nutter.

Vanbis

FFS!! Close RTE down and save us all the bother.

PeakOutput

and in one stroke they destroy what little bit of clawing back they did lsat night in the debate

feckin eejits

Mint Sauce

Hmm, what about the VAT I already pay on my 10Gb a Broadband subsripstion.

:rolleyes:

Heres hoping the Greens never get back into a coalition following all their sucking up to FF and then their cowardally leap from goverment at the end of it.

orourkeda

Eamon Ryan should tax his oul one

pragmatic1

Abolish rte would be better.

Wibbs

Political cowards, political tools and political sleeveens the lot of them. They've destroyed for a generation the idea of a green thinking party in this country. Well done fcukwits. Their policy pronouncements with few exceptions have been beyond stupid. Their witless and frankly amateur hour politicking over the last year has been embarrassing. Their leader Gormless would be a liability as ballast in a high sea, never mind as a leader. There isn't a single one of them I wouldnt happily line up against a wall and spray with nicely matured organic donkey urine.



EDIT PS watch how your interweb will be taxed. I'd be surprised if its not coming when the IMF et al don't see targets being met. They'll probably bring it in as a sleeveen tax. Add it to the TV licence. So even if you have no telly(like a few I know) you'll still have to pay a licence if you have a pc. It's too big an untapped resource for the gits to miss.

orourkeda

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Abolish rte would be better.

Abolish ryan tubridy

Sir Oxman

Wibbs wrote: »

EDIT PS watch how your interweb will be taxed. I'd be surprised if its not coming when the IMF et al don't see targets being met. They'll probably bring it in as a sleeveen tax. Add it to the TV licence. So even if you have no telly(like a few I know) you'll still have to pay a licence if you have a pc. It's too big an untapped resource for the gits to miss.

Reading FG's manifesto, section 10.5 hints at a new Public Broadcasting Charge to replace TV Licence applied to all households and applicable businesses... 'regardless of the device used to access content'
They are also looking at using differnet ways of collection inc Revenue (no escape!) local authorities or sticking it onto your ESB bill!

That doesn't sound too good and they're going to be the ones in power this time.

Sir Oxman

orourkeda wrote: »

Abolish ryan tubridy

Half a mill at least savings on that one alone.
Add Duffy and it's a roundy 1 million.
Toss in Funucane too - it all adds up.

Voodu Child

They already get vat on the excess useage charges for exceeding the 56Kb download allowance on your unlimited broadband package.

starbelgrade

If there was a tax on stupidity, Eamon Ryan would be bankrupt.

squod

starbelgrade wrote: »

If there was a tax on stupidity evilness, Eamon Ryan would be bankrupt.

FYP

starbelgrade

squod wrote: »

FYP

I don't think he's evil, just mildly retarded.

Badgermonkey

I'm with Vodafone, the red diesel of ISP's.

Does that mean I'll dodge the bullet?

leggo

OP you misread the story (as did everyone who just went on the thread title and quoted text).

Yes they want to adjust the licence fee...but they're proposing cutting RTE's share down and giving the commercial sector a slice of the pie. One of the suggestions also tabled is scrapping the licence altogether (though that's unlikely). They'll likely just adjust it to account for the growing popularity of the net and the decreasing dominance of TV/radio due to this.

Though I'm not a Green supporter, and I'm about as chuffed about this as everyone else, it's not THAT surprising and DOES make sense when you think about it objectively. Did we really think we were going to keep getting spoiled with unlimited usage for a reasonable fee? Especially when people can, and are, using it to discard taxable sources.

To summarise: this news is BAD for RTE and GOOD for the commercial sector (and presumably porn DVD retailers who'll no doubt prosper if people have to pay for the data used!). It's the first serious indication by politicians that they will tackle RTE's massive advantage over its competitors.

mfceiling

Fcukin greens would have you shíttíng into a bucket and píssíng into hedges then charge you for having to breathe....tax, tax, tax....fcuk off back to the stone age you hippy cúnts..

DonkeyStyle \o/

gambiaman wrote: »

'regardless of the device used to access content'

Urgh, I hate this presumption that anyone actually is accessing their content. Look at the completely laughable shíte available on RTE Player.
I'd be in favour of this if they brought in individual user accounts. I'd gladly be locked out of RTE programming.
And smart-cards for the broadcast version.
Let the people who watch this fúcking drivel pay for it.

RichieC

Let RTE fall... good riddance.

Son Of A Vidic

Remember now everybody, don't forget to render these Green party nut jobs extinct on election day.

Sanjuro

Wibbs wrote: »

EDIT PS watch how your interweb will be taxed. I'd be surprised if its not coming when the IMF et al don't see targets being met. They'll probably bring it in as a sleeveen tax. Add it to the TV licence. So even if you have no telly(like a few I know) you'll still have to pay a licence if you have a pc. It's too big an untapped resource for the gits to miss.

Well you only have to look at the way the IPs in Canada recently turned Canadian internet access into a massive joke. Plus there are rumors in the tech community that IPs in the US are about to carve up internet access into speed tariffs. The more you pay, the faster your access. It's a worrying trend.

minidazzler

leggo wrote: »

OP you misread the story (as did everyone who just went on the thread title and quoted text).

Yes they want to adjust the licence fee...but they're proposing cutting RTE's share down and giving the commercial sector a slice of the pie. One of the suggestions also tabled is scrapping the licence altogether (though that's unlikely). They'll likely just adjust it to account for the growing popularity of the net and the decreasing dominance of TV/radio due to this.

Though I'm not a Green supporter, and I'm about as chuffed about this as everyone else, it's not THAT surprising and DOES make sense when you think about it objectively. Did we really think we were going to keep getting spoiled with unlimited usage for a reasonable fee? Especially when people can, and are, using it to discard taxable sources.

To summarise: this news is BAD for RTE and GOOD for the commercial sector (and presumably porn DVD retailers who'll no doubt prosper if people have to pay for the data used!). It's the first serious indication by politicians that they will tackle RTE's massive advantage over its competitors.

Yeah, good for the commercial sector, so TV3? I barely watch telly, everything I do watch is on sky usually, and at that I watch that stuff using skyplayer, either on the Xbox or PC. I don't care if it helps the commercial sector, TV licence fee's are just a stealth tax on things I already own. People complain about property tax, this is the same deal.

My name is URL wrote: »

If they'd be doing away with the licence fee at the same time then it's not a terrible idea

Problem being they want to tax on traffic, I watch EVERYTHING online, I play video games online, There are usually 3 people online at any one time in my house, we have a 250GB cap on our "unlimited" package from UPC and a great connection speed. We pay roughly 40 a month for this. The problems I have with licence fee is.

A) They are gonna be charging by how much download goes through

They are gonna monitor my downloads, who says they won't be monitoring WHAT I download. I don't download music illegally anyway, but I am willing to bet IMRA would get a lovely seat at this table.

C) I don't access content from many Irish sites except for boards, and if I had money to pay for it I would subscribe to boards, not pay a licence fee to the government to dole out as they see fit.

My biggest problem with licence fee's though, is knowing that the money paid is going to the likes of Ryan Tubridy who is paid a HIGHLY competitive salary by any countries standards in broadcasting when he is in a market that is not competitive to have him at all. Same with the rest of those tw@'s over there at RTE.

My name is URL

It's a bit disconcerting that people would prefer to see RTE go under rather than to improve how it is run. How many jobs would be lost if it was to simply stop operating? And it would be virtually impossible for a halfway decent independent broadcaster to take its place in a country as small as this.

A lot could be changed about the way it works.. if the dead weight is dropped and waste is reduced then it would most likely even turn a decent profit. Getting rid of it completely would be a disaster

minidazzler

My name is URL wrote: »

It's a bit disconcerting that people would prefer to see RTE go under rather than to improve how it is run. How many jobs would be lost if it was to simply stop operating? And it would be virtually impossible for a halfway decent independent broadcaster to take its place in a country as small as this.

A lot could be changed about the way it works.. if the dead weight is dropped and waste is reduced then it would most likely even turn a decent profit. Getting rid of it completely would be a disaster

The problem is it won't be changed, RTE is a closed shop. Over paid and over budget.It would be better to set up a new station entirely than keep this one limping along!

Yawns

Why the **** do we need a national station anyway? Most households prob have SKy or UPC in if they watch anything decent on TV. Let the station go under and lobby for an hour slot on sky news or w/e for some national news feed.

minidazzler

Yawns wrote: »

Why the **** do we need a national station anyway? Most households prob have SKy or UPC in if they watch anything decent on TV. Let the station go under and lobby for an hour slot on sky news or w/e for some national news feed.

Who needs to lobby? During climactic week of government meltdown sky and BBC were all over it while RTE buried their heads in the sand. They would happily provide coverage.

My name is URL

minidazzler wrote: »

The problem is it won't be changed, RTE is a closed shop. Over paid and over budget.It would be better to set up a new station entirely than keep this one limping along!

Setting up a new station would be no better than rebranding and restructuring the company. The talent is still going to come from the same small pond.

Yawns wrote: »

Why the **** do we need a national station anyway? Most households prob have SKy or UPC in if they watch anything decent on TV. Let the station go under and lobby for an hour slot on sky news or w/e for some national news feed.

Lobby for an hour slot on Sky News? Have we really reached that level? What about Irish brands who rely on advertising to an Irish market? What about the companies and people involved in producing those ads and the industries they support by doing so?

squod

Get rid of it IMO. Total waste of money and easily replaceable. Think of all the apartments we could build on the site at montrose. Or better still give the building over to FAS for their new HQ.

No, wait I have it. We'll give it to the Greens to be used as their' centre for dreaming up ways of taxing poor people.

Alter-Ego

Eamonn Ryan is a git. He made a mess of the national broadband scheme by giving to to Three and now he wants to Tax internet usage to pay for RTE...

It makes no sense.

ilovesleep

Tax the internet - you do realise Mr.Ryan that, that will close every internet cafe around the country. Fcuk Off with your extra taxes you cabbage

minidazzler

My name is URL wrote: »

Setting up a new station would be no better than rebranding and restructuring the company. The talent is still going to come from the same small pond.

Why change governments? Same thing really. Would be the same shower of ****e.

A radical change would be more necessary. Terminate the company, hire back the techies and such, and someone in charge who has an idea what they are doing. Offer the old talent jobs if they want them but for radically shorter payslips. Make it profitable and stop giving so much of the TV licence money to one company. Make them earn their keep.

It won't be done, but it's what should be done.

Victor McDade

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I'll see your magic beans and raise you this invisible typewriter!

You win. I can't see your invisible typewriter

old_aussie

In most other countries, comedians work on stage, NOT in government.

Only in Ireland!

Mr Trade In

Hopefully he will be a memory this time two weeks,the Greens are the anti-Robbin Hood party,rob the poor to pay the rich.

Paparazzo

My name is URL wrote: »

It's a bit disconcerting that people would prefer to see RTE go under rather than to improve how it is run. How many jobs would be lost if it was to simply stop operating? And it would be virtually impossible for a halfway decent independent broadcaster to take its place in a country as small as this.

A lot could be changed about the way it works.. if the dead weight is dropped and waste is reduced then it would most likely even turn a decent profit. Getting rid of it completely would be a disaster

Yeah, we all dislike RTE, but try watching TV3 and all of a sudden RTE seems amazing.
There is some crazy wages in RTE. Marian Finucane is on over 300k a year for a show that's on for 2 hours a week!

admiralofthefleet

dont worry folks, they have a 1% share of votes according to a poll i heard on the last word earlier, they wont be in government to push this lunacy through

in fact i would go so far to say that they will probably end up the same way as the pd's after the election

leggo

minidazzler wrote: »

Yeah, good for the commercial sector, so TV3? I barely watch telly, everything I do watch is on sky usually, and at that I watch that stuff using skyplayer, either on the Xbox or PC. I don't care if it helps the commercial sector, TV licence fee's are just a stealth tax on things I already own. People complain about property tax, this is the same deal.

The TV licence doesn't just cover what's on TV. This proposed new split would also cover radio so the likes of Today FM and Newstalk would presumably also benefit.

And nobody is suggesting the licence is increasing either. So people have either got it wrong or are just complaining for the sake of it.

With that in mind...people say "Let RTE burn..." but if we didn't have a public service broadcaster then people would whine about how we aren't sufficiently catered for and point to the BBC. I can see the posts now, "I'd gladly pay a few quid a week to make sure we were actually kept informed of what's going on in the country!"

They can't win. Typical Irish attitude. That damned if they do, damned if they don't state of mind has put us up **** creek as much as the Greens.

grrrrrrrrrr

Ryan is on Newstalk now

Apanachi

Well in Germany it's been commmon practice for years to pay TV/radio charges for internet PCs or mobile phones (with integrated radios) if you don't have an actual TV or radio in your house

Lumen

Better idea: spend the licence fee fixing broadband provision and let RTE fund itself.

Then once the broadband provision is sorted, scrap the licence fee.

Wibbs

Apanachi wrote: »

Well in Germany it's been commmon practice for years to pay TV/radio charges for internet PCs or mobile phones (with integrated radios) if you don't have an actual TV or radio in your house

So? We're not German. All that means is it's more likely for ze Germans to push others in the EU to do similar. And with the French's attitude to the oul interweb and censorship, it doesnt look great.

Duggy747

Pay tax for a sub-par national broadband infrastructure? I still know of towns that can only get satellite broadband at a terrible rate.

*grabs balls*

Tax this, ya cùnt.

Monty Burnz

I'd be disturbed to learn that my fapping was paying for Marian Finucane's underwear.