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  • 15-02-2011 11:02am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭


    (* denotes bets not logged)

    Horse| Race__ | Stake___ | Price___ | Bookie & Terms| Date
    Pandorama| Gold Cup | 2 ew| @ 33/1| VC (1/4 Odds, 3 Places)| [27/10/10]
    Pandorama | Gold Cup | 1 ew| @ 50/1| VC (1/4 Odds, 3 Places) | [29/11/10]
    Pandorama| Gold Cup | 5 ew| @ 50/1| Lads (1/4 Odds, 3 Places, NRNB) | [27/11/10]
    Kempes| Gold Cup| 1 ew | @ 50/1 |Lads (1/4 Odds, 3 Places, NRNB)|
    *Pride Of Dulcote| Gold Cup | 5 ew | @ 25/1| PP (1/4 Odds, 3 Places) |[13/1/11]
    *Pride Of Dulcote| Gold Cup | 1 Win | @ 25/1 |Lads (NRNB) |[13/1/11]
    *Burton Port | Gold Cup | .5 Win | @ 25/1 |ToteSport| [23/10/10]
    ||||

    Kempes| Ryanair | 1 ew | @ 50/1 |Victor Chandler (1/4 Odds, 3 Places)| [14/1/11]
    Albertas Run| Ryanair | 4 ew | @ 16/1 |Stan James (1/4 Odds, 3 Places)| [21/1/11]
    ||||
    Somersby| QM Champ Chase | 4 ew | @ 20/1 |Lads (1/4 Odds, 3 Places, NRNB)|[30/11/10]
    Somersby| QM Champ Chase | 2 ew | @ 25/1| Lads (1/4 Odds, 3 Places, NRNB)|[9/1/11]
    Master Minded| QM Champ Chase | 2 Win | @ 7/4 |Lads (NRNB)|[9/1/11]
    ||||
    Khyber Kim | Champion Hurdle| 3 ew | @ 25/1 |StanJames (1/4 Odds, 4 Places)| [14/2/11]
    ||||
    Sparky May | Mares Hurdle| 1 ew | @ 14/1 |PP (1/4 Odds, 3 Places)| [22/1/11]
    ||||
    Solwhit | World Hurdle| 1 ew | @ 12/1 |Lads (1/4 Odds, 3 Places, NRNB)| [20/1/11]
    ||||
    Sarde | GN Trial| 3 ew | @ 33/1 |Lads (1/4 Odds, 4 Places)| [12/2/11]
    ||||
    Bravo Echo | Lincoln| 1 ew | @ 33/1 |Lads (1/4 Odds, 4 Places)| [14/2/11]
    ||||
    Killyglen | Grand National| 3 ew | @ 66/1 |Stan James (1/4 Odds, 4 Places)| [15/2/11]
    The Midnight Club | Grand National| 2 ew | @ 20/1 |Bet365 (1/4 Odds, 5 Places)| [15/2/11]
    ||||
    *Recital| Derby | 1 Win| @ 25/1| Lads|[28/10/10]


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Grand National

    Aintree 9 April 2011

    Killyglen 3pts ew @ 66/1 Stan James (1/4 Odds, 4 Places)

    Killyglen is not the most reliable horse in training and he has pulled up plenty of times in his career. There is no getting away from the fact that he has a touch of class though and that is whats needed to win a conventional Grand National. He jumps well and stays. His trainer is hoping for a good display before deciding where to go with him. He's had 10 chase starts and PU in 4 of them which isn't great but of the ones hes finished, hes been out of the first 2 twice and once was against Kauto Star on ground much too soft for him. Should he turn up, 66/1 will be much too big.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 669 ✭✭✭bestleftfull3


    wat price is nephone collagnes for the gold cup???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    He's around 33/1. Doubt he'll be going. Nichols said he would probably send him to Punchestown and he might want to keep him fresh for that.

    Killyglen gets 10-10 in the National. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Grand National

    Aintree 9 April 2011

    The Midnight Club 2pts ew @ 20/1 Bet365 (1/4 Odds, 5 Places)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Lincoln weights out today. Bravo Echo gets 8-6 and needs around 25 to drop out if hes to get a run.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Champion Hurdle

    Silviniaco Conti 1pt ew @ 33/1 (1/4 Odds, 3 Places) Bet365


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    No better way to start a thread than in the red

    Bank: -6


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Nulty wrote: »
    Champion Hurdle

    Silviniaco Conti 1pt ew @ 33/1 (1/4 Odds, 3 Places) Bet365


    Bet365 are NRNB


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Pressing up on Solwhit after he was confirmed for the World Hurdle

    World Hurdle

    Solwhit 1pt ew @ 20/1 ToteSport (1/4 Odds, 3 Places)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    It would never have counted towards the threads but Pride of Dulcote obviously cost me a good few quid. That was a 100% trading bet. I only managed to trade out of 2pts win so still well out of pocket. No other bets are trading. They ride as usual.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Lincoln Handicap

    Brick Red 4pts @ 16/1 StanJames


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Grimthorpe Chase

    Doncaster (Saturday)

    Killyglen 3pts ew @ 14/1 Bet365 (1/4 Odds, 4 Places)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    RSA Chase

    Wayward Prince 2pts ew @ 12/1 StanJames (1/4 Odds, 3 Places, NRNB)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Albertas Run is being targeted at the Gold Cup.

    I don't believe it :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    World Hurdle

    Solwhit 4pt ew @ 16/1 ToteSport (1/4 Odds, 3 Places)

    He will get 3m and he is relaxed enough that he will settle. 6 times Grade 1 winner and I can't see him out of the frame. Massive price. Should have done it at 20s.

    (Must stay away from Oddschecker!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Ryanair Chase

    Albertas Run 4 pts ew @ 10/1 Bet365 (1/4 Odds, 3 Places, NRNB)


    I harbour doubts, however slight, that Albertas stil might turn up in the Ryanair and I've taken the NRNB concession at Bet365 which I always planned to. He is made for the race and showed that last year. His Cheltenham record is fantastic including the festival. Jonjo is coming out of the doldrums with 3 winners recently after a horrible run of things in January and February. As a past winner of the race he looks over priced even at 10/1 and now that I can get the stake back on him I'm steaming in again for what was my best bet of the festival last year and is again this year should he take up his destined engagement in the Ryanair. Kalahari King, Poquelin and Riverside Theatre will give him the most to do and its actually Riverside Theatre that I rate as the biggest danger but he's short enough now. Kalahari King will need to prove his stamina because its not easy for a 2m horse stepping up in the Ryanair, stamina is hugely important and Riverside Theatre has proven his in the King George.

    My forecast would be:

    1. Albertas Run
    2. Riverside Theatre
    3. Poquelin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Killyglen ran a decent race. Made a fairly strong pace being taken on by 3 or 4 throughout the race with top weight and maybe wasn't fully fit. He hasn't run in 2 1/2 months. I think Crawford will be happy enough with that though. Should go on to Aintree now. 16lbs less to carry around the GN and hopefully he won't be going so fast. He'll need a jockey to present him to every fence though. He looks like one that loses concentration. He'd want to come on for this.

    These are all excuses, he is still a big longshot for the National.

    Bank: -12


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Fred Winter Juvenile Hurdle

    Tenor Nivernais 1pt @ 33/1 VC


    Martin Pipe Conditiionals

    Tenor Nivernais 1pt ew @ 33/1 PP (1/4 Odds, 4 Places, NRNB)

    Form of his last race has been franked no end with Via Galilei hosing up at Doncaster on his revised mark. Tenor Nivernais was bumped u the same amount as Via Galilei (6lbs) and Venetia Williams juvi has only had 4 starts and shown hhe is imprving with each one. Totally unexposed and willget in at the bottm of the weihts what ever rce he does for. He's entered in bot but which ever they decide on, he's obviously too big at 33/1. ew on the NRNB an single win on the AP terms. rend poin to a mid 120s rated horse and enor Nivenais could be thrown in for all we know about him.

    Edit:

    Russian Song, who finished well behind TN in his British debut won a novices hurdle today at Newbury. Ironically that was the race after Via Galilei hacked up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Nulty wrote: »
    World Hurdle

    Solwhit 4pt ew @ 16/1 ToteSport (1/4 Odds, 3 Places)

    He will get 3m and he is relaxed enough that he will settle. 6 times Grade 1 winner and I can't see him out of the frame. Massive price. Should have done it at 20s.

    (Must stay away from Oddschecker!)

    I am.....an idiot. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Nulty wrote: »
    Fred Winter Juvenile Hurdle

    Tenor Nivernais 1pt @ 33/1 VC


    Martin Pipe Conditiionals

    Tenor Nivernais 1pt ew @ 33/1 PP (1/4 Odds, 4 Places, NRNB)

    Form of his last race has been franked no end with Via Galilei hosing up at Doncaster on his revised mark. Tenor Nivernais was bumped u the same amount as Via Galilei (6lbs) and Venetia Williams juvi has only had 4 starts and shown hhe is imprving with each one. Totally unexposed and willget in at the bottm of the weihts what ever rce he does for. He's entered in bot but which ever they decide on, he's obviously too big at 33/1. ew on the NRNB an single win on the AP terms. rend poin to a mid 120s rated horse and enor Nivenais could be thrown in for all we know about him.

    Edit:

    Russian Song, who finished well behind TN in his British debut won a novices hurdle today at Newbury. Ironically that was the race after Via Galilei hacked up.

    Fred Winter Juvenile Hurdle

    Tenor Nivernais 2pts ew @ 25/1 Bet365 (1/4 Odds, 4 Places)

    He'll need 2 more to come out between now and Sunday/Monday I think. Fair chance of that happening.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    After Solwhits defection....


    Bank: -22


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Tenor Nivernais into 14s best price.

    33s and 25s looking very nice now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Brick Red withdrawn(!?) from the Lincoln

    Bank: -26


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Tenor Nivernais into 7s in the Fred Winter.

    Via Galilei was at least 25lbs well in when beating him by 1.5l

    :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Nulty wrote: »
    Brick Red withdrawn(!?) from the Lincoln

    Bank: -26

    I really should call it something other than bank....

    Loss: 26pts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Khyber Kims was a blow out. Think thats him done at the top of the game.

    Sparky May may never get to Quevegas level but ran a good race. Looking forward to seeing her run again.

    Loss: 28.5


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    Must have been a good run by Sparky May,she went to 20 on BF after about 10 seconds into the race.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Wayward Prince would have been a nice winner for the log but McCoy got him up for a place +2

    Somersby needed it softer and hopped one and hit another, probably because he was going too fast out of his comfort zone. -12

    Master Minded landed on top of one fence when not going nearly well enough to beat the winner. -2

    Loss: 38pts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Wayward Prince would have been a nice winner for the log but McCoy got him up for a place +2

    Somersby needed it softer and hopped one and hit another, probably because he was going too fast out of his comfort zone. -12

    Master Minded landed on top of one fence when not going nearly well enough to beat the winner. -2

    Loss: 38pts

    Tenor Nivernais to come in the Fred Winter, really need this one to stop the rot.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Ground cost me dear today. Hopefully Albertas Run goes for the Ryanair tomorrow. Need that to save this thread.

    Chuck a load of water on the track on Thursday night and Pandorama might stand a chance of even turning up.

    Loss: 43pts


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    Nulty wrote: »
    I really should call it something other than bank....

    Loss: 26pts

    Haha I still have it'profit' even when losing,just with a minus sign :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Nulty wrote: »
    Ground cost me dear today. Hopefully Albertas Run goes for the Ryanair tomorrow. Need that to save this thread.

    Chuck a load of water on the track on Thursday night and Pandorama might stand a chance of even turning up.

    Loss: 43pts

    Should actually be

    Loss:[/B] 44.5pts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Nulty wrote: »
    Ryanair Chase

    Albertas Run 4 pts ew @ 10/1 Bet365 (1/4 Odds, 3 Places, NRNB)


    I harbour doubts, however slight, that Albertas stil might turn up in the Ryanair and I've taken the NRNB concession at Bet365 which I always planned to. He is made for the race and showed that last year. His Cheltenham record is fantastic including the festival. Jonjo is coming out of the doldrums with 3 winners recently after a horrible run of things in January and February. As a past winner of the race he looks over priced even at 10/1 and now that I can get the stake back on him I'm steaming in again for what was my best bet of the festival last year and is again this year should he take up his destined engagement in the Ryanair. Kalahari King, Poquelin and Riverside Theatre will give him the most to do and its actually Riverside Theatre that I rate as the biggest danger but he's short enough now. Kalahari King will need to prove his stamina because its not easy for a 2m horse stepping up in the Ryanair, stamina is hugely important and Riverside Theatre has proven his in the King George.

    My forecast would be:

    1. Albertas Run
    2. Riverside Theatre
    3. Poquelin

    Albertas Run Ryanair 4 ew @ 16/1 Stan James (1/4 Odds, 3 Places) [21/1/11]

    Returns 50pts & 80pts

    Lost 2pts on Kempes but I can let that slide

    Profit: 83.5


  • Moderators Posts: 8,754 ✭✭✭x PyRo


    Well done. Glad he went to the Ryanair eh? :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Pandorama should have been withdrawn. Disappointed about that.

    Profit: 65.5


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Grand National

    (All prices are NRNB, and 5 Places)


    State Of Play has finished 3rd and 2nd in the race the last 2 years and while he is getting older its unlikely hes any worse than he was 12 months ago. The worry is hes not been seen since last years race but that is by design. He'll be fresh and ready for the race and gets in off 3lbs lower making him 9lbs better off with last years winner. Last year he had only 1 "race" between his Nationals and he was pulled up so a clear run will arguably in his favour rather than being primed for a race midseason he gets a long break and a steady build up to a race he excells in.

    2pts ew @ 25/1 Victor Chandler


    Chief Dan George is a proven stayer and one that comes into his best form at this time of the season. He's a Grade 1 Novice hurdle winner and 5th in the Scottish National over 4 miles 1/2 a furlong. Its usuaally a horse with a touch of class that wins the national and Chief Dan George has a touch of class. He knows how to win with 2 wins in each of his last two seasons though is without one this season. He was 8 lengths behind Ballabriggs in the Premier Chase aat Kelso in March giving him 2lbs and will be getting 2lbs from him in the National. The ground was not suitable for CDG that day though and there seems to be a big discrepancy in the prices between the two with Ballabriggs as short as 12/1. There is definite value to be had here and while maybe Ballabriggs should be a touch bigger price, CDG should certainly be short. The one caveat is CDGs fall at Cheltenham this year, I doubt he was 100% for that race with the National being his main target. I think he's a big enough price to warrant an eachway bet.

    2pts ew @ 33/1 Bet365


    Becauseicouldntsee is a pretty unexposed horse and has been improving over fences through his career. He's shown he stays over 4 miles when second in the National Hunt Chase at last years Cheltenham Festival. Connections are sure this further distance will suit him and he has a very capable partner in Davy Russell. He's finished in the first two in 5 of his 7 chase starts and as an 8 year old should still have more to give. His last run was very decent when chasing Majectic Concorde home over 3m in the Paddy Power chase at the Leopardstown Christmas festival. There is obvious queries as to how he'll take too the National Fences but he is a pretty careful jumper at thee beginning of his races and improves as he warms to the task. His level of unexposure makes him hugely appealing and at around 25/1 he could easily improve again enough to go very close. Its arguable that if Becauseicouldntsee is on the shortlist then Majestic Concorde should also - the difference is 9lbs over 4m4f. Also there is no form in Majestic Concordes Pedigree over further than 3m and very little even at that. 4m 1/2 around Cheltanham would require stamina levels approaching the levels required in the National.

    2pt ew @ 25/1 Bet365


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    You going to have a bet in the Bowl Nulty?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Nulty wrote: »
    Khyber Kims was a blow out. Think thats him done at the top of the game.

    Sparky May may never get to Quevegas level but ran a good race. Looking forward to seeing her run again.

    Loss: 28.5

    That should read 29.5

    Nulty wrote: »
    Wayward Prince would have been a nice winner for the log but McCoy got him up for a place +2

    Somersby needed it softer and hopped one and hit another, probably because he was going too fast out of his comfort zone. -12

    Master Minded landed on top of one fence when not going nearly well enough to beat the winner. -2

    Loss: 38pts

    Wayward Prince returned 4pts profit instead of 2.

    I'm sure the balance is (not including bets in play):

    Profit: 65pts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    UrbanSea wrote: »
    You going to have a bet in the Bowl Nulty?

    I doubt it. Denman should really be winning but I hate getting burned at evens so I'll steer clear.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    I feel the same way. Can't back him though,gone for Punchestowns.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Not a bad shout, just read your post there and Denmans 'quick' reappearance is something you can hope will have an effect. He was ok at Punchestown last year and would have smashed them if it was a left handed track. I still think he should be winning so I'm gonna shy away from it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    Interesting,I thought he was quite poor last year. Ground will be too quick for him I think as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    State Of Play the only return. Needs 8 miles but would still finish 2nd/3rd.

    Killyglen made it further than even I expected (27th fence) before tipping up leaving his legs behind.

    Becauseicouldntsee went early and would have been very interesting. More experience would have been a massive help to him.

    Chief Dan George never figured. Don't know what he did tbh.

    The Midnight Club hit the 4th/5th and was "careful" thereafter. Not much doing

    Profit: 57.5


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Spring Mile

    Newbury Saturday

    Bravo Echo 5pts ew @ 16/1 Ladbrokes ( ¼ Odds, 4 Places, NRNB )

    I was keen to see him run in the Lincoln but he didn't make the cut. He's been gelded and looks a different horse since the cruelest cut was administered before two starts back. His form with Lowther is very solid with that one winning twice since and running well enough in the Lincoln. Bravo Echos mark is 4lbs below that winning mark on the polytrack and while theres a chance hes better on the all weather, he put in a career best last time and his form coincides with his operation. I think he is better than he ever was and on recent form is extremely well handicapped. He's officially 103 on the all weather and only 92 on turf. He shouldn't have any trouble with the ground at Newbury with a dry forecast ahead. He's drawn 9 which historically is no problem with centrally drawn horses doing well in this race.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Scottish Grand National

    Ayr 3.25 Saturday

    Fair Along 2pts ew @ 20/1 Bet365 ( ¼ Odds, 5 Places, NRNB )

    His run in the Aon where he kept on strongly after the last is really encourgaing in the context of this race. His next at Cheltenham was good too for a relatively exposed horse when he beat all but 3 home in the Spinal Research handicap chase carrying 11-7. Those races may have taken something out of him but hes very tough and the trip could just see that bit more improvement in him. A 163 rated hurdler at his best, hes yet to live up to that as a chaser but if there is any possibility of that happening it will be in the long distance discipline.

    Blazing Bailey 1pt ew @ 20/1 VC ( ¼ Odds, 5 Places, NRNB )

    He's been in great form this year and was given a very tough ask of competing in the Spinal Research Chase at the festival but he was really only there to keep the weights down for Bensalem IMO. Despite his unenviable task he ran a very creditable race and like Fair Along I think the horse has only one place left to go and thats further. He will need to find improvement over this longer distance if hes to progress and a race like this where another horse is taking the weight for him is ideal. Both my bets were slow in the Cheltenham race which was run at a good pace and that is one indication that the longer distance will help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Profit: 45.5

    Chester Cup

    Mamlook 1pt ew @ 14/1 Will Hill ( ¼ Odds, 4 Places )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Punchestown World Hurdle

    Rigour Back Bob 2pts ew @ 14/1 Bet365 ( ¼ Odds, 3 Places, NRNB )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Duke Of York Stakes

    Regal Parade 2pts @ 7/1 WH

    Dalghar 1pt @ 6/1 WH


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Profit: 39.5

    (not counting Duke Of York bets)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Profit: 36.5

    Kings Stand Stakes (Royal Ascot)

    Markab 1pt @ 14/1 WH


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