Leaders Debate part 2 :)

caseyann · 14-02-2011 11:14am #1

The second televised general election debate will be held in the Irish Republic on Monday night.

MOD EDIT: Watch it here: http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0214/election_tracker.html#article

The leaders of Fianna Fail, Fine Gael, the Labour Party, the Green Party and Sinn Fein are taking part.

The debate will be broadcast live on RTE as part of The Frontline programme.

Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny, who is widely tipped to be the next prime minister did not take part in the first leaders debate last week. Mr Kenny said it was due to "scheduling".

Meanwhile, the potential coalition partners continued to trade blows over their economic plans.

Labour Party leader Eamon Gilmore again pointed to what he said was a 5bn euro gap in Fine Gael sums, while Fine Gael's Michael Noonan insisted the Labour platform was built on unattainable growth projections.

I am really looking forward to tonights debate,they are all snipping at eachother like class room rivals lol So anyone see these inconsistency's in FG sums Labour is talking about?
Good luck to Gerry tonight.

MagicMarker · 14-02-2011 11:27am

caseyann wrote: »

Good luck to Gerry tonight.

Anyhoo, looking forward to it. Is it just an hour long?

caseyann · 14-02-2011 11:34am

MagicMarker wrote: »

Anyhoo, looking forward to it. Is it just an hour long?

It seems,it is only on for half hour

That cant be right can it?
The other main party leaders will be preparing for this evening's five-way debate and attending policy launches.

Labour will be launching its plan for Jobseekers at a news conference in Dublin, while Sinn Féin is launching its health policy document on Kildare Street in Dublin.

RetroBate · 14-02-2011 11:39am

caseyann wrote: »

I am really looking forward to tonights debate,they are all snipping at eachother like class room rivals lol So anyone see these inconsistency's in FG sums Labour is talking about?
Good luck to Gerry tonight.

Gave your game away there.

Probably will watch it and think one or two of them came across well and then listen to the apré-debate experts to be informed that someone else "won hands down".

I've already made up my mind how to tactically vote in this election.

caseyann · 14-02-2011 11:45am

RetroBate wrote: »

Gave your game away there.

Probably will watch it and think one or two of them came across well and then listen to the apré-debate experts to be informed that someone else "won hands down".

I've already made up my mind how to tactically vote in this election.

How so? What is my game?

GSF · 14-02-2011 11:50am

Why Gerry? Do you think he will need it? Why not best wishes to Enda?

caseyann · 14-02-2011 12:02pm

GSF wrote: »

Why Gerry? Do you think he will need it? Why not best wishes to Enda?

With all the SF bashers and haters he is going to be ten fold having to get his point across tonight.Will the Irish who are blah blah blah about SF actually going to open their ears and minds and listen before making judgment? Lesson to be learned they only jump on band wagons alot of them as you can see on boards.
And i dont like any of the others to wish them any luck.

GSF · 14-02-2011 12:22pm

caseyann wrote: »

With all the SF bashers and haters he is going to be ten fold having to get his point across tonight.Will the Irish who are blah blah blah about SF actually going to open their ears and minds and listen before making judgment?

Listening to Adams talking economics allowed me to form a judgement that he hasnt a clue.

Trampas · 14-02-2011 12:32pm

what happens if kenny misses his flight back from germany?

could it happen?

Sad Professor · 14-02-2011 12:34pm

I don't think this is going to be an actual debate. Afaik it's going to be a question and answer session with each leader taking questions from a (hand-picked) member of the audience. I assume we will get questions like, "I just lost my job, I'm very angry, what are you going to do about jobs?", etc.

I think I'll give this one a pass.

the groutch · 14-02-2011 12:54pm

this is going to have the feeling of a party political broadcast for FF, if they have their usual audience

RetroBate · 14-02-2011 1:00pm

What happens if kenny misses his flight back from Germany?

Could it happen?

Yes, as anyone who has been to Berlin Knows they have 2 of everything there (a legacy from when it was divided), so he might go to the wrong airport.

Ray Burkes Pension · 14-02-2011 1:30pm

caseyann wrote: »

The second televised general election debate will be held in the Irish Republic on Monday night.

Copy and pasted from BBC?

darkman2 · 14-02-2011 1:53pm

caseyann wrote: »

The second televised general election debate will be held in the Irish Republic on Monday night.

The where?

Good luck to Gerry tonight.

What?

Zubeneschamali · 14-02-2011 1:55pm

Ray Burkes Pension wrote: »

Copy and pasted from BBC?

First 800 years of oppression, now this!

Killer Pigeon · 14-02-2011 3:51pm

caseyann wrote: »

The second televised general election debate will be held in the Irish Republic on Monday night.

The Irish Republic was a de-facto state that existed between 1916 and 1919 that covered the entire island of Ireland. What exists today is Ireland (someones called the Republic of Ireland though not constitutionally although it is a republic) it came into being in 1949.

Killer Pigeon · 14-02-2011 3:54pm

darkman2 wrote: »

The where?

What?

Yar!! He certainly isn't a free stater that's for sure! :rolleyes:

mike65 · 14-02-2011 3:59pm

Its 90 mins, or rather its 90 mins minus opening credits and intro chat, 3 ad breaks (prolly) winding up and end credits so about 65 mins, then take into account the time taken to ask the questions and some cross-chatter and I reckon each candidate will have to avoid dropping a clanger for all of 9 mins.

caseyann · 14-02-2011 4:20pm

GSF wrote: »

Listening to Adams talking economics allowed me to form a judgement that he hasnt a clue.

Ah but the people you have put in power for the last how many years are masters on it(stones glass houses and all that

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Ray Burkes Pension wrote: »

Copy and pasted from BBC?

LOL sorry yes copied from BBC,forgot to add the link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12445851

caseyann · 14-02-2011 4:24pm

Sad Professor wrote: »

I don't think this is going to be an actual debate. Afaik it's going to be a question and answer session with each leader taking questions from a (hand-picked) member of the audience. I assume we will get questions like, "I just lost my job, I'm very angry, what are you going to do about jobs?", etc.

I think I'll give this one a pass.

I heard them on the news about tonight,and they said it is going to be a very tight schedule suits them all if they dont get cornered on the issues people are actually not happy with for each party.As something as important as a meant to be debate and answers you would think they would say feck savage eye and put on later stage :rolleyes:

sollar · 14-02-2011 4:30pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

The Irish Republic was a de-facto state that existed between 1916 and 1919 that covered the entire island of Ireland. What exists today is Ireland (someones called the Republic of Ireland though not constitutionally although it is a republic) it came into being in 1949.

I agree. Its Ireland

I don't like it when i hear sinn fein refering to the free state either or british media refering to the irish republic.

Mr.Micro · 14-02-2011 4:31pm

Well if the format is anything like Frontline then we can expect FF bias all the way. Shall we just give it to Martin now as the winner, just like the late late on Friday....there was no need for the others to perform as it was going to be Jedward from the start.......oh cynical me and my loss in faith with RTE.

Wolfe Tone · 14-02-2011 4:32pm

I say Adams is probably the most skilled and charismatic out of the lot, home he comes across well.

DoesNotCompute · 14-02-2011 4:35pm

Will this be broadcast around the world on RTE News Now/RTE Player?

caseyann · 14-02-2011 4:43pm

I assume everyone watching all over world not sure if they would broadcast it though.

If Sinn Féin answer the question that people are worried about pertaining the Pension fund and it meets and adds up with their policy.Will people change their views and vote SF?
It will be good if they actually can answer this question,if they are allowed to.

Zubeneschamali · 14-02-2011 4:52pm

caseyann wrote: »

If Sinn Féin answer the question that people are worried about pertaining the Pension fund and it meets and adds up with their policy.

Eh, what?

Seems to be a common question in this thread...

caseyann · 14-02-2011 4:54pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Eh, what?

Seems to be a common question in this thread...

If they can answer the question that people are using to say their policy is not going to work,then will people change their minds.

Zubeneschamali · 14-02-2011 4:55pm

caseyann wrote: »

If they can answer the question that people are using to say their policy is not going to work,then will people change their minds.

How to make 2+2=5?

caseyann · 14-02-2011 5:08pm

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I say Adams is probably the most skilled and charismatic out of the lot, home he comes across well.

He will come across well,if it is not indeed a debate where rte takes sides and keeps stum and gives fair play.

Lockstep · 14-02-2011 5:21pm

Looking forward to seeing Adams, he'd be an asset to the Dáil. Would be interesting to see how he comes across.
Hope Gilmore shows more passion. He came across as restrained on TV3 which doesn't suit his usual speaking style.

johnmcdnl · 14-02-2011 5:21pm

GSF wrote: »

Listening to Adams talking economics allowed me to form a judgement that he hasnt a clue.

right we all know that a lot of you guys think that gerry's policies and knowledge is abysmal yes....

but FF have proven to be abysmal at making economic policies so why doesn't anyone laugh when they make their speeches

and what's so different about FG's proposals to FF's that makes FG's so much better??

the FF strategy has been proven to be completely wrong hasn't it - give me one example of where SF's policies have put the country where it is today

we're screwed either ways - why not just try to go for the radical actions and see how that goes and go out with a bang rather than a limp weak attempt to please the bondholders who made silly decisions with their money when they invested in ireland....

if I invested in this and decided to put it in rural leitrim when it failed should I get my money back - nope because i was a gob****e who though it was a good idea day 1...

the bondholders seeing as they should be economic experts should have been able to see the crash coming seeing as my father who is farmer kept preaching for years that there was going to be a crash....

it's disgraceful in itself that we should be expected to bail them out because they're big players at the expense of the ordinary person in ireland now today...

nesf · 14-02-2011 5:48pm

johnmcdnl wrote: »

but FF have proven to be abysmal at making economic policies so why doesn't anyone laugh when they make their speeches

Eh, do you read this forum? That's been the constant response of the majority of people to anything FF has said on the economy...

PeterIanStaker · 14-02-2011 5:50pm

Why is Gormley even in this? The Greens will hopefully cease to exist after the 25th of this month, for biting the FF apple.

GSF · 14-02-2011 5:51pm

johnmcdnl wrote: »

right we all know that a lot of you guys think that gerry's policies and knowledge is abysmal yes....

but FF have proven to be abysmal at making economic policies so why doesn't anyone laugh when they make their speeches

Who said we take FF seriously? They are acting more like pundits who have experienced prolonged amnesia. The "best" they can do is carp at others policies and claim to have "experience". But FF's faults dont make SF any more attractive.

SF policies are just as unrealistic as FF's. Both are not burdened with the prospect of actually having to implement the ideas they spout.

GSF · 14-02-2011 5:53pm

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

Why is Gormley even in this? The Greens will hopefully cease to exist after the 25th of this month, for biting the FF apple.

As I understand it, RTE allocate tv and radio time based on the current number of TDs that each party has. Someone correct me if this is not the case.

Kasabian · 14-02-2011 5:53pm

I hope Pat shows Gerry enough respect to allow him the time to express his opinions and doesn't just focus his attention on the main parties that sponsor his massive salary.

Mr.Micro · 14-02-2011 5:53pm

Lockstep wrote: »

Looking forward to seeing Adams, he'd be an asset to the Dáil. Would be interesting to see how he comes across.
Hope Gilmore shows more passion. He came across as restrained on TV3 which doesn't suit his usual speaking style.

Well if Gilmore comes across sheeplike and deferential again, apologetic even, then he may lose more points. Be rude Gilmore, assertive, get stuck in, as polite does not work in debates and do not allow Martin to interrupt constantly. Adams will certainly land a few on Martin that's for sure.

I want emigration addressed and the plight of young people, its like the elephant in the corner so far.

phantom_lord · 14-02-2011 5:54pm

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I say Adams is probably the most skilled and charismatic out of the lot, home he comes across well.

Better hope they don't ask him any questions that relate to Ireland or the economy.

Mr.Micro · 14-02-2011 5:56pm

Kasabian wrote: »

I hope Pat shows Gerry enough respect to allow him the time to express his opinions and doesn't just focus his attention on the main parties that sponsor his massive salary.

RTE will want to keep the status quo and will take some weaning off FF.

Kasabian · 14-02-2011 6:03pm

Mr.Micro wrote: »

RTE will want to keep the status quo and will take some weaning off FF.

Start by weaning them off the easy tax they place on people to fund the over inflated salaries of the RTE elite.

Let them stand on their own and redirect the licence fee to health or education.

No party should a state sponsored mouthpiece.

unit 1 · 14-02-2011 6:32pm

I think Kenny will win 5-0 tonight (as if it matters) and about 75/79-0 friday week.;)
At last the electorate just might vote for honesty and integrity as opposed to the opposite ie FF.

johngalway · 14-02-2011 7:13pm

Looking forward to seeing Gerry tonight.

Go on Pat, ask him how much children allowance is, ask him!

He may have boned up on it since his last gaffe, then again... :pac:

MagicMarker · 14-02-2011 9:26pm

So who's bringing the popcorn?

Eliot Rosewater · 14-02-2011 9:33pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

So who's bringing the popcorn?

The IMF have forbidden it.

Jim Stark · 14-02-2011 9:34pm

If this was a 5-way no holds barred brawl as opposed to a debate, who would win??!!

amacachi · 14-02-2011 9:36pm

I don't think I'll bother watching this, I'm sure someone will make a couple of minutes long highlight video of Adams being asked about the economy and stick it on youtube anyway.

thebman · 14-02-2011 9:36pm

So what time n channel pls. Stuck in work

Sad Professor · 14-02-2011 9:37pm

thebman wrote: »

So what time n channel pls. Stuck in work

Now on RTE 1.

deelite · 14-02-2011 9:38pm

Can I play with you tonight - I'm not political I just like trying to read their body language....

Eliot Rosewater · 14-02-2011 9:38pm

You can watch the debate here folks - http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0214/election_tracker.html#article

I've added that link to the OP - hope caseyann doesn't mind.

kev9100 · 14-02-2011 9:39pm

This could hurt Adams a lot if hasn't done his homework. I'm looking forward to it.

Leaders Debate part 2 :)

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