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Oliver J Flanagan jews and the masons?

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  • 09-02-2011 2:02am
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    TEMPLAR KNIGHT
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    Just came across this politician from back in the day and he seems to blame the jews and freemasons for Irelands problems and supported what hitler did to the jews, just thought to myself this was definately related to the illuminati and found this wiki interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_J._Flanagan

    anyone ever come across across this before he seems to have known of there prescence and goals here in ireland just wondering did he know something everyone else didnt or was he just crazy?


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    enfant terrible
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    TEMPLAR KNIGHT wrote: »
    Just came across this politician from back in the day and he seems to blame the jews and freemasons for Irelands problems and supported what hitler did to the jews, just thought to myself this was definately related to the illuminati and found this wiki interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_J._Flanagan

    anyone ever come across across this before he seems to have known of there prescence and goals here in ireland just wondering did he know something everyone else didnt or was he just crazy?

    Having read about him he seems like a horrible racist and its a terrible stain on our country he was an elected member of the Dáil when he spouted his racism so openly.


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    UDAWINNER
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    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Having read about him he seems like a horrible racist and its a terrible stain on our country he was an elected member of the Dáil when he spouted his racism so openly.
    Agreed. Disgraceful that he was ever elected


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    uprising2
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    Also a member of the order of the Knights of Saint Columbanus.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_of_Saint_Columbanus#Irish_Oireachtas_.28Parliamentary.29_References_to_the_Activities_of_the_Knights


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    Monty Burnz
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    This guy is a poster child for everything that is wrong with politics in this country...
    A notorious anti-semite early in his career, he used his maiden speech in the Dáil, on 9 July 1943, to urge the government to "rout the Jews out of this country". Nonetheless, he was consistently popular in his own constituency, largely because of the attention he paid to individual voters' petitions and concerns. He has been described as "one of the cutest of cute hoors in the history of the Dáil".
    He was elected to the Dáil fourteen times between 1943 and 1982, topping the poll on almost every occasion
    Gombeen man, parish pump politician, racist, arch-conservative, hung around for decades, finished working in the real world aged 23 never to return (Mary Coughlan, how are you?).


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    eamo12
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    This guy is a poster child for everything that is wrong with politics in this country...

    Gombeen man, parish pump politician, racist, arch-conservative

    The one word glaringly missing from your description is... National Socialist


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    K-9
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    eamo12 wrote: »
    The one word glaringly missing from your description is... National Socialist

    Indeed. FG would have been an extremely socially conservative party back then, in many ways more old fashioned than FF. The FG "liberals" that arrived in the 70's would have been arch enemies of his, Garret Fitzgerald in particular.

    As for his comments re Jews etc., I'd say he just picked it from books and political theory at the time.

    If there was an elite in those days, it was a socially conservative, mainly Catholic elite. I'd say look at the Knights of Columbanus as uprising2 posted or Opus Dei.

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    Monty Burnz
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    eamo12 wrote: »
    The one word glaringly missing from your description is... National Socialist
    Yup, sounds like he'd be right at home home in the Third Reich.


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    Phill Ewinn
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    Wonder how many Fine Gaelers are in the freemasons now.


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    eldile
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    His son is running for election in Laois Offaly for Fine Geal and is a sitting TD Charlie Flanagan.


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    Monty Burnz
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    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    Wonder how many Fine Gaelers are in the freemasons now.
    No idea - but he was rabidly opposed to the freemasons.


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    K-9
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    No idea - but he was rabidly opposed to the freemasons.

    He'd have viewed it as Protestant and Unionist, he preferred a Catholic version.

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    Monty Burnz
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    K-9 wrote: »
    He'd have viewed it as Protestant and Unionist, he preferred a Catholic version.
    Yeah, he was a Knight of Columbanus according to Wikipedia. I'm gobsmacked and appalled that that the morons in Laois-Offaly were still voting in this rabid anti-semite gombeen man until the 1980s - wtf were they thinking?? Although they elected Brian Cowen alongside him in 1984...


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    K-9
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Yeah, he was a Knight of Columbanus according to Wikipedia. I'm gobsmacked and appalled that that the morons in Laois-Offaly were still voting in this rabid anti-semite gombeen man until the 1980s - wtf were they thinking?? Although they elected Brian Cowen alongside him in 1984...

    On they are still about, think COIR and their ilk in European referenda.

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    Mahatma coat
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Yeah, he was a Knight of Columbanus according to Wikipedia. I'm gobsmacked and appalled that that the morons in Laois-Offaly were still voting in this rabid anti-semite gombeen man until the 1980s - wtf were they thinking?? Although they elected Brian Cowen alongside him in 1984...

    they were thinking

    Heres the Candidate that best represents my political views, he's done well for us so far, lets keep him at it.

    The fact that you find him distasteful really dosent matter to the people who voted for him, if anything it would have made him More popular in his Parish


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    Monty Burnz
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    Mahatma coat wrote: »
    The fact that you find him distasteful really dosent matter to the people who voted for him, if anything it would have made him More popular in his Parish
    Yup. Plenty of people vote for scumbags, that's democracy I guess.


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    Mahatma coat
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    Thats Proportional Representation my friend ;)


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    profitius
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    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Having read about him he seems like a horrible racist and its a terrible stain on our country he was an elected member of the Dáil when he spouted his racism so openly.

    Hang on folks, it looks like modern propaganda has got to you. He wanted the Jew-masonic system gone and didn't trust Jewish people because of that. If he was really a racist he would have wanted all non Whites out of Ireland.

    Now lots of people can agree that elites control most of the wealth of the world and Flanagan and others knew this at the time and were rightly rebelling against it.

    Remember in those times people were not hyper-PC like they are today.


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    K-9
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    So he wasn't racist wanting the Government to run the Jews out of Ireland?

    Maybe I'm too PC seeing that as racist.

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    nyarlothothep
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    profitius wrote: »
    Hang on folks, it looks like modern propaganda has got to you. He wanted the Jew-masonic system gone and didn't trust Jewish people because of that. If he was really a racist he would have wanted all non Whites out of Ireland.

    Now lots of people can agree that elites control most of the wealth of the world and Flanagan and others knew this at the time and were rightly rebelling against it.

    Remember in those times people were not hyper-PC like they are today.

    Essentially you're blaming one ethnic group for controlling the entire world which is both a logical fallacy in itself and falls under the category of racism. FYI jews got into finance as they were denied land ownership, same scenario with the film industry, they had to build their own cinemas for similar reasons irc and they've had a rough history of persecution, does that strike you as the narrative of an all powerful racial cabal? Upon initial analysis Flanagan seems to have embodied the worst parts of Irish culture, parish pump politics, bigotry, small mindedness, cute hooerism, these are traits to the Irish psyche I would like to see disappear.


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    Mahatma coat
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    Shock Horror, Throughout history People have disliked the Jews :eek:

    ever stop to wonder Why :rolleyes:


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    eamo12 wrote: »
    The one word glaringly missing from your description is... National Socialist

    National Socialist is definately two words..


    (there's even a space in between them..look)


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    enfant terrible
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    Mahatma coat wrote: »
    Shock Horror, Throughout history People have disliked the Jews :eek:

    ever stop to wonder Why :rolleyes:

    Please explain further if your allowed back on this site, hopefully your not.


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    nyarlothothep
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    Mahatma coat wrote: »
    Shock Horror, Throughout history People have disliked the Jews :eek:

    ever stop to wonder Why :rolleyes:

    The reasons are numerous but not the ones you're suggesting. Please think about this, the jews aren't your enemy or any ethnic group for that matter, I bet there are plenty of jewish conspiracy theorists like you. I don't see why you should single them out based on being jewish, thats like me saying you're scheming to de-stabilize the Australian economy because you're Irish.


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    brimal
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    Mahatma coat wrote: »
    Shock Horror, Throughout history People have disliked the Jews :eek:

    ever stop to wonder Why :rolleyes:

    The anti-semetic undercurrent in this forum is so blatant. Mods, you need to run a tighter ship. Sometimes I wonder is this a conspiracy theory forum at all. Alot of these posts have nothing to do with conspiracies, just users trying to convince the rest of us of their political/social beliefs.

    It's pretty frustrating to see a new thread almost daily on the topic of Jews or related to them in some way. Some topics are started on a completely different subject, and then the usual suspects bring Jew/Zionism/Israel into it.

    Now this morning, I see this user and a mod PMing each other in relation to starting another (surprise surprise) Zionist thread.
    The user who wanted to 'moderate/officiate' this new thread says things like 'ever stop to wonder why' and you expect him to be neutral?


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    chucken1
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    Mahatma coat wrote: »
    Shock Horror, Throughout history People have disliked the Jews :eek:

    ever stop to wonder Why :rolleyes:

    What?


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    chucken1
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Yeah, he was a Knight of Columbanus according to Wikipedia. I'm gobsmacked and appalled that that the morons in Laois-Offaly were still voting in this rabid anti-semite gombeen man until the 1980s - wtf were they thinking?? Although they elected Brian Cowen alongside him in 1984...

    Were you even born then?? When THEY (Your parents) were voting? No I think not.

    Isnt Wiki great...How about ASKING people..you know..by TALKING?

    I cant WAIT to see how the country looks when you lot of keyboard warriors are finished.


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    Monty Burnz
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    chucken1 wrote: »
    Were you even born then?? When THEY (Your parents) were voting? No I think not.

    Isnt Wiki great...How about ASKING people..you know..by TALKING?

    I cant WAIT to see how the country looks when you lot of keyboard warriors are finished.
    Do you have a point to make about Flanagan?


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    Penn
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    Brimal warned for back-seat modding.

    Everyone else, if you have a problem with a post, report it. Mahatma Coat has already been given an infraction for his comment. If you do not agree with the mods decision, report it again or PM the mods. I would point out this part of the charter:
    The very nature of a conspiracy theory means that it will be unpalatable to some. Individuals, Corporations, Interest Groups, and collectives of all sorts will inevitably be suspected (and accused) of involvement in any manner of activities.

    This is not a license for anyone to ignore site-wide guidelines or the rest of this charter.

    If you feel that a post (or poster) is doing so, then report the post and do not respond to it.

    This thread is on thin ice and will be locked if further bickering continues.

    Thanks.


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    profitius
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    nyarlothothep wrote: »
    Essentially you're blaming one ethnic group for controlling the entire world which is both a logical fallacy in itself and falls under the category of racism. FYI jews got into finance as they were denied land ownership, same scenario with the film industry, they had to build their own cinemas for similar reasons irc and they've had a rough history of persecution, does that strike you as the narrative of an all powerful racial cabal? Upon initial analysis Flanagan seems to have embodied the worst parts of Irish culture, parish pump politics, bigotry, small mindedness, cute hooerism, these are traits to the Irish psyche I would like to see disappear.

    I knew a person who was not liked by people. Where ever he went people soon got to dislike him. This fella was short and a troublemaker. So either people disliked him for being short or they soon got to know what he was like.

    We can call people shortists for discriminating against short people or we can wisen up and realise that maybe the problem isn't with everyone else. See where I'm going here? This fella was angry and had a 'world against me' complex and ended up making life harder for himself than it should have been.


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    enfant terrible
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    profitius wrote: »
    I knew a person who was not liked by people. Where ever he went people soon got to dislike him. This fella was short and a troublemaker. So either people disliked him for being short or they soon got to know what he was like.

    We can call people shortists for discriminating against short people or we can wisen up and realise that maybe the problem isn't with everyone else. See where I'm going here? This fella was angry and had a 'world against me' complex and ended up making life harder for himself than it should have been.

    It might surprise you to know you are wrong.

    The reason Jews were disliked throughout history is the same reason any small group of people are disliked, they were different i.e not Christians or Muslims.

    They were also treated as second class citizens are forced to live outside the main cities.

    Pogroms became a feature of life in Europe in the Middle Ages and Jew-baiting became a popular activity.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogroms#Pogroms_against_Jews

    James Carroll asserted,
    "Jews accounted for 10% of the total population of the Roman Empire. By that ratio, if other factors such as pogroms and conversions had not intervened, there would be 200 million Jews in the world today, instead of something like 13 million."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#Ancient_world


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