Provost 2011 Poll

JonJoeDali

Here are the candidates:

John Boland, Professor of Chemistry

Robin Coningham, Professor of Archaeology

Des Fitzgerald, Professor of Molecular Medicine

Colm Kearney, Professor of International Business

Jane Ohlmeyer, Professor of Modern History

Patrick Prendergast, Professor of Engineering


@Mods: Would it be possible to set up a poll?

Pet

If I read the email correctly, is it that only lecturers can vote on who becomes Provost? Or can the students do so, also?

parity

The Sabbatical Officers on Board & University Council get a vote. So do some other SU & GSU reps on those bodies

timmywex

Patrick Prendergast tbh!

Only person who was as undergrad in Trinity. And he's pretty down to earth, met him once, http://patrickprendergast.com/ has a pretty down to earth video!

Prendergast! Definitely.

Brian

1:40 DAT FRINGE

blucey

Might be worth having a look at www.colmkearney.ie
<full disclosure : im his campaign manager>
Especially look at his manifesto - he has one you know...- at http://www.colmkearney.ie/?page_id=19
and his student focus at
http://www.colmkearney.ie/?page_id=337

he also has direct family experience of TCD.

A perusal of his CV gives the lie to the story that he hasnt any admin experience. In fact, he probably has more than all (Save perhaps Des Fitz) the rest. Plus hes the only one that has sat at the top of the political tree in fraught discussions and looked politicians in the eye.

anybody wants more details email me with KEARNEY in the subject line. Or any of his nominators
http://www.colmkearney.ie/?page_id=337

hes also on twitter , and using it well.

theowen

parity wrote: »

The Sabbatical Officers on Board & University Council get a vote. So do some other SU & GSU reps on those bodies

Schols too, no?

JonJoeDali

theowen wrote: »

Schols too, no?

Foundation scholars get a big chunk of the vote, then scholars, then students. Students only account for ~1% of the vote IIRC.

Kwekubo

JonJoeDali wrote: »

Foundation scholars get a big chunk of the vote, then scholars, then students.

That doesn't sound quite right to me... as I understand it, the SU representatives are co-opted to the electorate ex officio (for example, all the SU reps on the College Board or the University Council), and they use their ballots to vote en masse according to the results of the poll held by the SU. Scholars have one representative (the secretary).

blucey

JonJoeDali wrote: »

Foundation scholars get a big chunk of the vote, then scholars, then students. Students only account for ~1% of the vote IIRC.

nope
GSU/SU officers vote en bloc 12/3 votes out of 680. Your thinking of the ranking of votes in the body corporate....:rolleyes:
Anyhow...vote kearney, yeah?

JonJoeDali

blucey wrote: »

Anyhow...vote kearney, yeah?

Only if he promises to bring back the summer garden party.

blucey

JonJoeDali wrote: »

Only if he promises to bring back the summer garden party.

As his campaign manager i can say that he doesnt do promises. but if he did (is that what used be called the eliz) garden party w pims for all would be ...attractive.
Serio - loss of collegiality is insidious and needs to be countered. That of which we speak here is one small but important part. Email me ...

JonJoeDali

blucey wrote: »

As his campaign manager i can say that he doesnt do promises. but if he did (is that what used be called the eliz) garden party w pims for all would be ...attractive.
Serio - loss of collegiality is insidious and needs to be countered. That of which we speak here is one small but important part. Email me ...

Will he go to commons and wear his gown? I don't think I've ever seen Hegarty at commons.

blucey

JonJoeDali wrote: »

Will he go to commons and wear his gown? I don't think I've ever seen Hegarty at commons.

He has more gowns than fortycoats: 3 earned masters, a phd, a BA (from the other place...still..a BA). AFAIK hes going on commons sometime soon w Barra Roantree...AFAIK. So, yes, but clearly not every night...could the human frame withstand 3650 commons meals in a row!

MareAtlanticvm

I'll be voting Kearney. I only wish he had been elected 4 years ago!

zam

I'll be voting for da woman

blucey

zam wrote: »

I'll be voting for da woman

good that your voting. why for Prof O? General gender grounds, specific policies...?

parity

JonJoeDali wrote: »

Foundation scholars get a big chunk of the vote, then scholars, then students. Students only account for ~1% of the vote IIRC.

To the best of my knowledge it's the 1 GSU rep on Board, 2 GSU Reps on Council, 3 SU Reps on Board and 4 SU Reps on Council. The Schol Secretary sits on Council but doesn't get a vote AFIK, as they are in-attendance (non-voting) members. That's 9 in total out of the total electorate (theres one student rep sitting on both bodies.). I could be wrong on these numbers but that's what I remember.

The foundation scholars do not get a vote (keeping in mind there are 70 of them), that ~1% number wouldn't really work out. See http://www.tcd.ie/provost-appointment/statute/#electorate anyway for details. Just looking at that now there may be 2 extra student votes with the Schol Secretary and 1 extra in-attendance GSU rep on Council.

There was a motion last year passing through Board (and got through first time) which would have seen the introduction of a 4% value direct student poll for the Provost. The fellows shot it down last year because they have to give permission for any sort of change to the statues of the College. Very annoying that they did that and looked awful from an outsiders perspective. It'd be interesting to find out if any of the fellows running for Provost voted against the increase in a vote for students.

JonJoeDali

parity wrote: »

There was a motion last year passing through Board (and got through first time) which would have seen the introduction of a 4% value direct student poll for the Provost. The fellows shot it down last year because they have to give permission for any sort of change to the statues of the College. Very annoying that they did that and looked awful from an outsiders perspective. It'd be interesting to find out if any of the fellows running for Provost voted against the increase in a vote for students.

In fairness, those who haven't commenced aren't in the best position to be deciding who's going to be in charge of Trinity. The fact that we've a small say in matters is remarkable compared to other institutions.

parity

JonJoeDali wrote: »

In fairness, those who haven't commenced aren't in the best position to be deciding who's going to be in charge of Trinity. The fact that we've a small say in matters is remarkable compared to other institutions.

4% wouldn't exactly be deciding it. Plus postgrads account for a very high part of the student population. Most Universities in Ireland have similar student representation. It's guaranteed by the Universities Act 1997

JonJoeDali

parity wrote: »

4% wouldn't exactly be deciding it. Plus postgrads account for a very high part of the student population. Most Universities in Ireland have similar student representation. It's guaranteed by the Universities Act 1997

I still don't think students are in much of a position to be deciding who's to be Provost. It would be like letting customers decide who the shop manager should be (i.e. the one who gives out the most free booze with every sandwich bought). Great for the customer, not so great for the shareholders.

Best leave it to the fellows and the senior administrators.

Kwekubo

Rumours abound that a late candidate is entering the race.

blucey

Kwekubo wrote: »

Rumours abound that a late candidate is entering the race.

Rumours are wrong. The nominations closed last week. too late for anyone else to enter now.

Kwekubo

Looks like you're right, Aaron Heffernan left it too late to switch campaigns... *sob*

lucygoosey

Voted Kearney today!

aas

What's the logic behind giving iPads out to students?

ApeXaviour

Patrick Prendergast attempted to add me to facebook, then I received an email from him that began:

Dear Postgraduate Student:

Over the next few days you will be asked to cast your vote for the next Provost of Trinity College.

I didn't think I had a vote, if it turns out I do I'll not be using it.

WhosUpDocs

Think I'll be voting Kearney now after the e-mail he sent around today. Really liking the fact that he's already made some progress on library opening times and he also sounds pretty down to earth.

liliq

Just got the email from Kearney-
Is the one he sent to postgrads much different to the one he sent to undergrads does anyone know?

Pet

aas wrote: »

What's the logic behind giving iPads out to students?

I have no idea, but it sounds like a gimmicky load of shíte.

Sort out the library, budget deficit and quality of teaching first, let's leave the iPads until we're no longer financially screwed.

morarc

there is no logic behind the iPad gimick. the email sent was so vague that not a single promise was made in the email from des fitz, or in the speech which he gave at the Hustings organised by the SU. would cost at least 7.5 million (if you get 15,000 iPads at roughly 500 a piece). I think this would be put to much better use by improving upon hte current structures in TCD, and investing in the students.

I've voted Colm Kearney in the election. genuinely think he will come true on his promises.

feelgoodinc27

Voted for Prendergast myself as I think with his experience that he is the most capable for the tough job ahead.

JonJoeDali

I voted for Prendergast. A Trinity man true and true. Gave Colm Kearney No. 2.

Let's hope there'll be more gowns, garden parties and an end to low quality architecture and mediocrity.

blucey

feelgoodinc27 wrote: »

Voted for Prendergast myself as I think with his experience that he is the most capable for the tough job ahead.

you do know about CK's australian policy advisor experience, being in the room where the real decisions are made?
good you voted!

Tomlowe

We ran a poll for the University Times, and while the sample size (221) wasn't large enough to publish on the website, I thought some people here might be interested in the results of the Provostial student vote.

Colm Kearney - 37%
Paddy Prendergast - 29%
Jane Ohlmeyer - 16%
None - 9%
John Boland - 5%
Des Fitzgerald - 4%
Robin Coningham - <1%

Methods used were unscientific (distribution of link through SU and UT Facebook pages), small sample size and selection bias make this a low quality poll not worth relying on, but interesting to see anyway. Can probably at least cut RC, DF, JB and just maybe JO out of the running for the student vote. Any statisticians got an opinion?

Tomlowe

Oh and in the interests of transparency I think it's fair that blucey should acknowledge that he is Kearney's campaign manager

JonJoeDali

Tomlowe wrote: »

Oh and in the interests of transparency I think it's fair that blucey should acknowledge that he is Kearney's campaign manager

Did you see post #7?

blucey

JonJoeDali wrote: »

Did you see post #7?

indeed. Its not like I hide it. Or would.

Tomlowe

JonJoeDali wrote: »

Did you see post #7?

Apologies, I should have read that. Sorry blucey

morarc

I don't really understand why Jane Ohlmeyer is proud of her testimonials on the website?? I realise that PACCAR and Piggott in particuliar have funded a professorship in History which is good, but on the other hand, are these people pretty much saying if Jane doesn't win look at what you will lose? And especially because the AHSS faculties have lost so much funding in recent years!!!

Same with Glucksman, they provided the map library and comfy couches in the lower BLU.. I don't understand where the positives from this kind of support comes from. It may show that she has contacts but using a company which makes military paraphernalia and hoping that will gain her votes is ludacris!

Just my opinion i suppose but all undergrads got an email saying how wrong it was for people high up in college, with some sway I suppose, to be vocally backing certain candidates openly in their position as say Dean of Students for example.