Should a Psychic Give Very Bad New?

Shazanne

Should a psychic give a person really bad news - as in telling them they have cancer? A friend of mine went to one the other night and was told that and now she is terrified. And a doctor wont take you seriously if you go looking for tests because a psychic told you do. And tests like MRI's etc cost a fortune that she does not have.
This girls life is in tatters at the moment. Cancer was the last thing on her mind as she is in perfect health.
What should she do - we really need advice on this.

albeit

Does she have any symptoms at all? If she has any she should speak to her doctor about them and not say anything about a psychic having advised her she had cancer. She may also tell the doctor if there is any family history of cancer. If there is no symptoms or family history I am afraid she will have to foot the bill herself or try to ignore the fact a fortune teller told her this. She may also start to look out for any symptoms that may appear in the near future. Sometimes fortunetellers are wrong whowever and there may not be any truth in this. I personally wouldnt say to a client (if I practised fortunetelling) that they have cancer, I would rather ask if they had any of the symptoms and say they should have them checked.

Shazanne

She does not have any symptoms whatsoever. But then again the psychic did not specify where the cancer is supposed to be so she is imagining all sorts. And, to the best of my knowledge, there is no single test to detect cancer.
What this pshchic has said has completely upset our lives and she is absolutely terrified. I realise that someone on here will probably say that if she has cancer she will be eternally grateful for being told to have herself checked out, but if she doesn't, just think of the suffering that has been caused.

albeit

The fortuneteller should have been able to tell what kind of cancer it was.Tell your friend to keep vigilant for any sort of symptoms- for example check for lumps in her breasts. Maybe she has cancer, maybe she hasnt. I'd say it was irresponsible for the fortuneteller to say this, when she wasnt able to give more info.

zuroph

burn the fortunetellers house down to break the curse. :pac:

Terrible thing to say to anyone, I wonder what your friend did to annoy the FT.

celtic1888

Shazanne wrote: »

Should a psychic give a person really bad news - as in telling them they have cancer? A friend of mine went to one the other night and was told that and now she is terrified. And a doctor wont take you seriously if you go looking for tests because a psychic told you do. And tests like MRI's etc cost a fortune that she does not have.
This girls life is in tatters at the moment. Cancer was the last thing on her mind as she is in perfect health.
What should she do - we really need advice on this.

who was the psychic??

MagicMarker

albeit wrote: »

Sometimes fortunetellers are wrong whowever and there may not be any truth in this.

Understatement of the century right.

OP, the psycho psychic is full of shít. Tell your friend to cop on.

AO33156

The psychic is full of ****. They have no way of diagnosing illnesses or anything else for that matter. It is completely out of order to give people that sort of information.

Tell your friend to cop on and pay no notice of psychics or other mumbo jumbo. If she believes she has a health problem, she should visit a doctor.

Oryx

No. A psychic should never say anything like that. They arent a doctor, and its a totally irresponsible thing to say to anyone. Bear in mind psychics can be wrong!

Shazanne

The logical part of my mind knows all that - but it doesn't really help in this case. This girl is perfectly healthy (as far as we know) but this psychic has told her she has cancer. If anyone tells a person that it will freak them out.
I just dont know what to do or say to help her at this time. She is going to the Doctor for blood tests and a smear test this week. But I just feel that no matter what she does this is going to play on her mind and it's totally ruining her life at the moment.

zuroph

If you want I'll pose as a psychic and tell her the other psychic is a liar.

The beauty of it is, I dont even need an excuse to contact her, I can just say it came to me in a dream, and that I felt compelled to call her to comfort her.

Shazanne

I'm glad for you that you find this so amusing. I don't necessarily believe what psychics say either, but that doesn't make this particular case any easier for her.
Unfortunately, this particular psychic was uncannily accurate in almost everything else that was said to her - some of which was actually rather amazing. Had this not happened it may not have had such an impact on her.
Whether you believe in psychics or not, if one tells you that you have cancer it's going to cause you to worry. It's almost like if you meet someone who tells you that you don't look well and you begin to wonder if you are. It plays on the mind.
I feel it was highly irresponsible for a psychic to tell a person this and I just wondered if others feel the same, if others have possibly had the same experience or what we should do in this situation?

zuroph

I was dead serious.

Oryx

Psychics like that make my blood boil. They dont care or consider the power they have over people and the damage their words do. I was also told today of a psychic who said to a sitter they were going to have two suicides in their family. Even if it WAS true, why on earth would you tell someone that? So they can stress till it happens? Or for years anyway when it doesnt?

In your friends case I recommend getting her to go to her doctor and telling them the full story. The doc wont laugh, and perhaps some reassurance from a medical professional will go some way to undoing the damage.

28064212

Oryx wrote: »

Psychics like that make my blood boil. They dont care or consider the power they have over people and the damage their words do. I was also told today of a psychic who said to a sitter they were going to have two suicides in their family. Even if it WAS true, why on earth would you tell someone that? So they can stress till it happens? Or for years anyway when it doesnt?

Because if the psychic knows it and believes it, it would be irresponsible not to tell them.

Oryx wrote: »

In your friends case I recommend getting her to go to her doctor and telling them the full story. The doc wont laugh, and perhaps some reassurance from a medical professional will go some way to undoing the damage.

Good advice, probably the best you're going to get OP

zuroph

its actually a fairly easy "prediction" to fall back on, given the prevalence of cancer, what is it, 1 in 3 over a lifetime now? 33% chance of a hit is pretty good, and if you're a little more vague and say something like "you will be affected by cancer this year", pretty much 100% hit

Oryx

28064212 wrote: »

Because if the psychic knows it and believes it, it would be irresponsible not to tell them.

I would disagree with you to a degree. A psychic can be a hell of a lot more careful in how they put something across. Tell her to get a checkup, without a halfassed vague diagnosis that helps noone. If the psychic is that sure, then pin it down to where it is, at least let the poor person rule it in or out simply. And no psychic should ever be so arrogant as to assume they are never wrong. Of course they can get it wrong.

28064212

Oryx wrote: »

I would disagree with you to a degree. A psychic can be a hell of a lot more careful in how they put something across. Tell her to get a checkup, without a halfassed vague diagnosis that helps noone.

And then live with the possibility that a doctor may not find it because they don't know what they're looking for? Not that being told by a psychic "it's very important you get a medical check-up" is any more reassuring than being told you have cancer. If a psychic believes that they have knowledge, it's their responsibility to impart it. If this psychic genuinely believes that the OP's friend has cancer, they should absolutely tell them

zuroph

28064212 wrote: »

And then live with the possibility that a doctor may not find it because they don't know what they're looking for? Not that being told by a psychic "it's very important you get a medical check-up" is any more reassuring than being told you have cancer. If a psychic believes that they have knowledge, it's their responsibility to impart it. If this psychic genuinely believes that the OP's friend has cancer, they should absolutely tell them

And there's the problem with the argument. There's no way they're certain. No way.

celtic1888

whos the psychic?!?!?! people on here have experience and may beable to shed some light on his/her predictions for them!! and remember the majority of psychics are full of sh#ite and cold/hot read to make the sitter believe they are brilliant...

Shazanne

I am a bit wary of giving the name to be honest. But if my friend gets the all-clear (which I pray she does) I will blow the lid on the psychic then - big time! Am even considering calling Joe Duffy or some such person to try and prevent anyone else being subjected to this.

celtic1888

Shazanne wrote: »

I am a bit wary of giving the name to be honest. But if my friend gets the all-clear (which I pray she does) I will blow the lid on the psychic then - big time! Am even considering calling Joe Duffy or some such person to try and prevent anyone else being subjected to this.

fair enough but tbh, its no big deal naming the person, plenty exchange their personal experiences on here and some can get clarity or direction from that...and remember, your friend went to see this person of her own accord, she should have told them she didnt want to hear bad news imo....its safer that way and pure 100% entertainment as they wont her things that will hurt them....

i see you were looking for Billys details on another thread, google the yukon bar mullingar and you'll get his number...but tbh hes brutally honest and WILL tell you the bad unless told not too, and i wouldnt recommend her to go see him, professional advice is what she needs to clean this mess up...this psychic could have helped save her life in reality too...imo theres more a chance of this psychic being a charlatan or even worse a header who believes they are psychic...imo genuinely gifted people are few and far between

pheasant tail

I slightly disagree what someone said here that a pschyic shouldnt give bad news,if your not prepared for bad news DONT GO or say to the pschic no bad news before hand!

Im friends with a girl and her and a group of friends went to a pschyic,and he told her that she'd have a close friend killed in a car accident,that friend unfortunately did die a few months later he had also been to the same pschyic and he told him he has brilliant future,marry,kids etc and ur boy thought it was total bull****,,in my opinion the pschyic knew but wouldnt say anything!!

28064212

zuroph wrote: »

And there's the problem with the argument. There's no way they're certain. No way.

I didn't say they're certain. I said they genuinely believe they're certain. If a psychic believes that they can "extra-sensorally" perceive a person's illness, why would they hide that information? Why is the 'good' stuff ok to tell but not the bad stuff?

Oryx

28064212 wrote: »

I didn't say they're certain. I said they genuinely believe they're certain. If a psychic believes that they can "extra-sensorally" perceive a person's illness, why would they hide that information? Why is the 'good' stuff ok to tell but not the bad stuff?

Quite simply because of the damage it can cause. The needless worry you can put someone through. It makes a reading more about sensationalism and point scoring than being helpful to a sitter. I have a lot of contact with people who get readings, and Ive seen a lot of worry and damage caused by negative readings. And I have yet to see anyone whose life has been improved by receiving such advice.

28064212

Oryx wrote: »

Quite simply because of the damage it can cause. The needless worry you can put someone through. It makes a reading more about sensationalism and point scoring than being helpful to a sitter.

That's only true if the reading is purely for entertainment purposes. The psychic in the OP is either a charlatan who ran out of ideas, mentally ill, or genuinely psychic. If it's the first case, then yes, they shouldn't have said it. If it's either of the latter two, they genuinely believed they had knowledge about the person in question, and it would be very irresponsible not to tell them

Oryx wrote: »

I have a lot of contact with people who get readings, and Ive seen a lot of worry and damage caused by negative readings. And I have yet to see anyone whose life has been improved by receiving such advice.

And plenty of 'good news' can damage someone's life. Getting told "you will pass your exams" before you've taken them isn't going to give you much motivation to actually study

Oryx

28064212 wrote: »

That's only true if the reading is purely for entertainment purposes. The psychic in the OP is either a charlatan who ran out of ideas, mentally ill, or genuinely psychic. If it's the first case, then yes, they shouldn't have said it. If it's either of the latter two, they genuinely believed they had knowledge about the person in question, and it would be very irresponsible not to tell them

Do you accept that in such circumstances the psychic can still be wrong?

And plenty of 'good news' can damage someone's life. Getting told "you will pass your exams" before you've taken them isn't going to give you much motivation to actually study

Im not talking about a psychic only giving details that are sunshine and roses. If they can see a suicide, why not use their ability to say who is struggling with depression and needs a family intervention, instead of just saying someone will die?

In a personal situation, I once asked the outcome of something difficult I was going through. I didnt get a reply telling me all would be ok, but I got a reply that helped. It indicated the steps I would have to take, rather than simply the good or bad outcome.

28064212

Oryx wrote: »

Do you accept that in such circumstances the psychic can still be wrong?

Yes. A doctor can be wrong too. All psychics come with a caveat that they're not perfect

Oryx wrote: »

Im not talking about a psychic only giving details that are sunshine and roses. If they can see a suicide, why not use their ability to say who is struggling with depression and needs a family intervention, instead of just saying someone will die?

That's assuming that psychic ability works like some sort of sixth-sense Google that they can query at will.

Hypothetically, assume that the psychic in the OP is real. They receive the information (through whatever means) that the OP's friend has cancer. That's all the information they receive. Their talents don't extend to finding any more information than that, but they believe that they know the OP's friend has cancer. How could you possibly not disclose that information?

celtic1888

celtic1888 wrote: »

fair enough but tbh, its no big deal naming the person, plenty exchange their personal experiences on here and some can get clarity or direction from that...and remember, your friend went to see this person of her own accord, she should have told them she didnt want to hear bad news imo....its safer that way and pure 100% entertainment as they wont her things that will hurt them....

i see you were looking for Billys details on another thread, google the yukon bar mullingar and you'll get his number...but tbh hes brutally honest and WILL tell you the bad unless told not too, and i wouldnt recommend her to go see him, professional advice is what she needs to clean this mess up...this psychic could have helped save her life in reality too...imo theres more a chance of this psychic being a charlatan or even worse a header who believes they are psychic...imo genuinely gifted people are few and far between

actually Shazanne

get the girl to go to Billy before she spends any major money on professional advice...if he tells her shes sick then tell her to get to a doctors pronto....if he dimisses it then id take that as a clean bill of health, because in all honestly a psychic diagnosis is horse sh#te and if another more renowned and tried and tested psychic gives the all clear then i would personally take that on board

recently a girl i know went to him and he told her that her father had recently been tested for an illness (she agreed) and he told her that he has the illness (the man found out the next week that he had cancer)

Monty Burnz

Shazanne wrote: »

Should a psychic give a person really bad news - as in telling them they have cancer?

If a psychic 'knows' you have cancer and doesn't tell you, surely that would be much worse? At least she can get treatment now that she 'knows'. And if she doesn't want to learn about her future, why is she paying to see a 'psychic'?

moceri

mumbo jumbo

Monty Burnz

Oryx wrote: »

I would disagree with you to a degree. A psychic can be a hell of a lot more careful in how they put something across. Tell her to get a checkup, without a halfassed vague diagnosis that helps noone. If the psychic is that sure, then pin it down to where it is, at least let the poor person rule it in or out simply. And no psychic should ever be so arrogant as to assume they are never wrong. Of course they can get it wrong.

Perhaps there needs to be more regulation and training of psychics? As it it, I believe that anyone can claim to be a psychic and mess with gullible peoples' lives.

They should have some sort of test to prove that they actually are psychic*, and then training on how best to deal with this sort of situation and the others (such as the suicide one). Then they qualify as registered psychics and people will know that they can be trusted and clients will get value for money/quality service.

*make verifiable predictions about the future for example, not stuff like 'you know someone called John' or 'you are a kind person, but sometimes shy'.

Monty Burnz

Shazanne wrote: »

I am a bit wary of giving the name to be honest. But if my friend gets the all-clear (which I pray she does) I will blow the lid on the psychic then - big time! Am even considering calling Joe Duffy or some such person to try and prevent anyone else being subjected to this.

But couldn't the psychic claim that they were talking about some time in the future? Even if your friend is all-clear now, that does not disprove 'you will get cancer'.

Edit: ah, she said she has it already. My mistake.

albeit

Maybe this will comfort you OP: Twelve years ago a psychic told me I would have a career in photography and that a red hair girl would help me. Now, this career in photography is very slow to take off. I have done a few courses in photograph and all the time looking for this helpful redhair girl... Once I met this girl who had red hair and was a photographer, but she never helped me... This is never going to come true now, I feel. By the way, when I visited this psychic I did have my oldfashioned 70's photographer-camera with me. Maybe she saw something that she interpreted as a sign of cancer in you, for example dark circles under eyes or whatever, or it could be anything, her idea of what is a sign of cancer could be anything. By the way- the rest of the things this psychic that told me about the redhaired woman and my career in photography, told me were extremely accurate. I think some psychics can be extremely accurate about some things and completely wrong about others. What they are seally doing is interpreting signs that their subconscious or something picks up on- and sometimes they can pick up on something irrelevant and interpret it wrongly- but not being able to differentiate the wrong info from the right. Something like that...



Now, I am off to the photography forum to ask if there is any redhaired women there. I still havent given up on this....:o

Opinicus

celtic1888 wrote: »

actually Shazanne

get the girl to go to Billy before she spends any major money on professional advice...if he tells her shes sick then tell her to get to a doctors pronto....if he dimisses it then id take that as a clean bill of health, because in all honestly a psychic diagnosis is horse sh#te and if another more renowned and tried and tested psychic gives the all clear then i would personally take that on board

Way to contradict yourself.

In all seriousness this "psychic" that told her she had cancer needs a good solid kick up the ****ing arse!

maccored

and when the doc gives the all clear, go back and punch that psychic in the head.

celtic1888

albeit wrote: »

Maybe this will comfort you OP: Twelve years ago a psychic told me I would have a career in photography and that a red hair girl would help me. Now, this career in photography is very slow to take off. I have done a few courses in photograph and all the time looking for this helpful redhair girl... Once I met this girl who had red hair and was a photographer, but she never helped me... This is never going to come true now, I feel. By the way, when I visited this psychic I did have my oldfashioned 70's photographer-camera with me. Maybe she saw something that she interpreted as a sign of cancer in you, for example dark circles under eyes or whatever, or it could be anything, her idea of what is a sign of cancer could be anything. By the way- the rest of the things this psychic that told me about the redhaired woman and my career in photography, told me were extremely accurate. I think some psychics can be extremely accurate about some things and completely wrong about others. What they are seally doing is interpreting signs that their subconscious or something picks up on- and sometimes they can pick up on something irrelevant and interpret it wrongly- but not being able to differentiate the wrong info from the right. Something like that...



Now, I am off to the photography forum to ask if there is any redhaired women there. I still havent given up on this....:o

Free will too will change the vast majority of predictions as they are only "paths" at the time of a reading and its the sitters own choice of which one to take

that said cancer will hardly bloody change, you either have it or you dont

Opinicus wrote: »

Way to contradict yourself.

In all seriousness this "psychic" that told her she had cancer needs a good solid kick up the ****ing arse!

no, what i mean is, i wouldnt be taking the word of some psychic to spend big money on health procedures, what i would do is get a second opinion from a well renowned psychic and if he (Billy imo) says shes ok i take that on board

this is all spirtual, what if the second or third opinion in a spiritual sense gives her the all clear (without any prior info of course) what one do you take as gospel? especially since its not an exact science....if we knew this alleged psychics name some people may be able to give the OP experiences of readings theyve had with him/her...

like ive been to a few psychics in my day and theyve all turned out to be either complete muck, average or below average apart from Billy (thats just my opinion) and theyve predicted a wide variety of stuff

sure one of them told me to stop smoking as she sensed a problem with one of my lungs...the fact that id just finished a smoke outside her gaff before the reading didnt prompt her im sure...5 years later and im still here and healthy and i dont smoke that often anyway but she had me down on a potential "hitlist"

Opinicus

celtic1888 wrote: »

no, what i mean is, i wouldnt be taking the word of some psychic to spend big money on health procedures, what i would do is get a second opinion from a well renowned psychic and if he (Billy imo) says shes ok i take that on board

I know that's what you meant, and it still doesn't make any sense.

celtic1888

Opinicus wrote: »

I know that's what you meant, and it still doesn't make any sense.

i would get a second opinion from Billy Martin and if he also said the girl was ill id take far more from him saying it that this other "psychic", if he said she wasnt ill id be the same...hes one of the best around from my experience and ive heard of him telling people they are ill etc before and ive personally experienced his predictions happening....

zuroph

Or she could ask a doctor...

celtic1888

zuroph wrote: »

Or she could ask a doctor...

of course, but for relative peace of mind before she goes through tests etc as all this is based on is someone alleging that they are psychic, because lets be honest "youve cancer" is hardly overly specific, she'll need to be tested from head to toe and i doubt that comes cheap

i would still love to know the name of this purported psychic

Shazanne

celtic1888 wrote: »

of course, but for relative peace of mind before she goes through tests etc as all this is based on is someone alleging that they are psychic, because lets be honest "youve cancer" is hardly overly specific, she'll need to be tested from head to toe and i doubt that comes cheap

i would still love to know the name of this purported psychic

Hi Celtic. I will PM you the name, but I am very wary of putting it up here on a public domain. The last thing we need right now is a further problem with the psychic. My friend remains very distressed, as you can imagine, but she doesn't want people to know that this has happened to her. In fact, she does not know I have this thread up here either - even though it is totally anonymous.
She is going to the doctor in the morning for bloods and a smear.

celtic1888

Shazanne wrote: »

Hi Celtic. I will PM you the name, but I am very wary of putting it up here on a public domain. The last thing we need right now is a further problem with the psychic. My friend remains very distressed, as you can imagine, but she doesn't want people to know that this has happened to her. In fact, she does not know I have this thread up here either - even though it is totally anonymous.
She is going to the doctor in the morning for bloods and a smear.

Yeah please do, and hopefully she gets the all clear from the doctor...id imagine she will...

also tell her to steer the f#ck clear of psychics in future...her story has highlighted the risk people take when wanting to know about the future as no one lives a perfect life and it isnt always good news unless its a charlatan "psychic"....

Dave!

I'm with 28064212 here -- if I had reason to believe that someone has cancer, I'd tell them. If I'm wrong, then there'll be some needless anguish of course, but if I'm right, then I just saved their life. It would be irresponsible to withold that information. Of course they could be wrong, but as far as the psychic is concerned the information is fairly reliable, since they got it from the same source that they get the rest of their information that they have no trouble telling their sitters.

Of course, if like me you think that psychics are bullshizzlers, then you'll have a different perspective...

Shazanne

Hi again.
I started this thread back on February 4th after my friend had been told by a "reputable" psychic that she has cancer. I am really happy to report that she has had all possible tests and had been given the all clear medically. All she needed was some B12 injections - otherwise she is in perfect health - thank God.
This psychic put her through hell over the last number of weeks and I certainly dont think that any psychic should do this to a person. If he was as certain as he claimed he was (he told her to get herself checked immediately as she already had cancer) then where is the medical proof? So obviously he saw nothing but sent her to hell and back for no reason:mad:

zuroph

Delighted your friend is fine, she should now sue the psychic for costs of the tests.

Shazanne

Thanks. In an ideal world that would be the thing to do alright - but in all honesty, where would it get her? Can you just imagine a case like that coming before a judge? I think we just have to be grateful that she is in good health and learn a valuable lesson - never put ourselves through this again!!
And I am still mulling around the idea of naming and shaming the psychic - but the irony of that could be that the psychic would sue us! I do believe he should be stopped though, before he puts anyone else through such anguish.

Dave!

Glad to hear your friend's in good health, maybe she'll think twice before going to a psychic again. Dunno what she was expecting the psychic to do really -- they receive this information through the usual channels, which they believe to be accurate, so it would be irresponsible of them to just forget about it and let your friend (as far as they're concerned) carry on their life while there's a tumour growing inside them.

Your friend (at least prior to the last visit) would no doubt have been happy to take the information from the psychic if it related to some dead relative or whatever. Why then the sudden skepticism when it comes to this health claim?

Zillah

Shazanne wrote: »

And I am still mulling around the idea of naming and shaming the psychic - but the irony of that could be that the psychic would sue us!

The psychic could sue no one. The only reason they're allowed to operate at all is that they are legally counted as a form of entertainment.

Name and shame.

celtic1888

Brilliant news! just goes to show you how risky it is visiting "psychics"....

mcmoustache

Monty raised a good point earlier. Why not regulate mediums? They deal with lots of vulnerable people and they are capabable of causing serious distress. I mean, what's to stop me claiming to be a medium and saying stuff like "Your spouse is cheating" or "You have AIDS"? Only scientifically proven mediums should be allowed to operate and they should be trained in communication.