More ICABS attacks on shooting

Grizzly 45

From this months Animal voice

I think this should once and for all put paid to any future ICABS statements that they are not against gun ownership,and be a wakeup call for the rest of us,that they will contiously drip away at us to wear us down.Time to get a bit more proactive than just reactive in our sports folks.


04. Success: Gun clubs removed from Archdiocese website
The Archdiocese of Tuam has been thanked for removing from its website the names and contact details for 11 local gun clubs.
Church authorities were reminded of Paragraph 2418 of the Catholic Catechism which states that it is "contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer and die needlessly". Irish gun clubs are responsible for the killing of thousands of creatures every year. These include deer, hares, rabbits, foxes and birds. Animals that should be free to live peacefully in the countryside are blasted to death for the enjoyment of merciless hunters.




09. Gun clubs given 48,000 Euro of lottery's "good causes" cash
ICABS has learned that at least 48,000 euro has been handed over to gun clubs from funds generated by the National Lottery.
The money was granted between 2001 and 2009 by the Department of Arts, Sports and Tourism as part of the National Lottery-funded Sports Capital Programme.
In an email to the Finance Minister, Brian Lenihan, T.D, ICABS pointed out that the National Lottery money given to the Department of Finance for distribution is intended for "Good Causes".
The Lottery advertises this clearly on its website and literature, adding that "every time you play a National Lottery game you are making a very positive impact on local communities".
"Many people would struggle to comprehend how a gun club could ever qualify as a good cause. They would also not recognise the blasting to death of wild animals and birds as constituting a positive impact," we stated. "We find it abhorrent that a single cent would be handed over to those who take pleasure in blasting foxes, hares, rabbits, deer and birds to death."
Not only is the funding of gun clubs objectionable on the grounds that it helps support the destruction of our wildlife but also due to the fact that it is taking money away from genuine good causes which are constantly struggling to finance their activities.
The National Lottery has distanced itself from the funding of gun clubs. A spokesperson stated: "The National Lottery's role is to raise funds for good causes on behalf of the Government and we have no involvement in its distribution. Monies raised by the National Lottery go to the Department of Finance who in turn distributes it to other Government Departments."
ACTION ALERT
Please contact the National Lottery and the relevant Ministers and demand that no further money is granted to groups involved in the destruction of wildlife.
Sue Blood
National Lottery Section, Dept of Finance
Tel: 01 6318121
Email: Sue.Blood@finance.gov.ie
National Lottery,
Lower Abbey Street, Dublin 1.
Tel: 01 8364444
Email: customer.services@lottery.ie
Brian Lenihan, TD, Minister for Finance
Department of Finance, Government Buildings, Upper Merrion Street, Dublin 2
Tel: 01 6767571. LoCall: 1890 66 10 10
Email: brianlenihantd@gmail.com
Mary Hanafin, TD, Minister for Tourism, Culture and Sport
Department of Tourism, Culture and Sport, 23 Kildare Street, Dublin 2
Tel: 01-631 3802 (Office of the Minister)
Email: maryhanafin@tcs.gov.ie
SAMPLE LETTER
(If you have time, please compose your own personal letter. Otherwise, feel free to send the short sample letter below)
To whom it concerns:
I am writing to object to the granting of National Lottery funds to gun clubs.
I understand that in the past decade, at least 48,000 Euro has been handed over such groups under the Sports Capital Programme.
The money raised by the National Lottery is supposed to be for "Good Causes", not for groups involved in killing Irish wildlife. This is very clearly stated on the Lottery website, i.e. "the National Lottery's mission is to operate a world class lottery raising funds for good causes on behalf of the government...every time you play a National Lottery game, you are making a very positive impact on local communities."
Gun clubs are not a good cause. They do not make a positive impact on local communities. Rather, they are involved in destroying foxes, hares, rabbits, deer and birds - creatures which are part of our wildlife heritage and which most people want to see living free from persecution.
By giving funds to gun clubs, you are also taking money away from genuine good causes which are constantly struggling to finance their activities.
I urge you to act to make it impossible for any individual or group involved in killing to benefit from National Lottery funds.
Thank you. I look forward to your response. Yours sincerely,

Tackleberrywho

Hoe Hum........

The Parish Com-it-tee indeed.

ICABS........ Oh Dearie me

P{erhaps we shopuld launch a counter offensive?

kildare.17hmr

fcuk sake that person doesnt have a bleedin clue do they. is that a new icabs member writin that??? sort of written differently to all the other blabberin sh!te on their website:rolleyes: im not in a gun club myself but i do know alot of them do hard work that is good for the rural comunity

go on tack explain

Birdnuts

This kind of rubbish from ICABS highlights the need for basic environmental science/ecology to be made compulsory at secondary level!!

Vegeta

Birdnuts wrote: »

This kind of rubbish from ICABS highlights the need for basic environmental science/ecology to be made compulsory at secondary level!!

Doesn't matter to them, they see all animals as "pets" and cant distinguish between wildlife and the dog at home.

Birdnuts

Vegeta wrote: »

Doesn't matter to them, they see all animals as "pets" and cant distinguish between wildlife and the dog at home.

Indeed - I'd love to fly them to Kruger NP to argue the toss with a hungry pride of lions;)

4gun

Why not compose a counter letter that we can all email the various offices high lighting the positive side to culling wild animals,
anyone want to take a shot at it,

pugw

Sorry this might be slightly off topic but I was disgusted to hear AA roadwatch yesterday advising motorists to avoid Clonmel as there was a "national event" being held there. Things are gone so PC that they couldnt just say the "national Coursing meeting" was being held. The media and the powers that be are paying far too much heed to the ideologies of a % of the population thet I would argue are a minority!

endasmail

make ya sick ,that lot

CJhaughey

I am going to write an email in to AA roadwatch and complain that they are censoring the bulletin.
Its poor form to be honest and I am not in anyway involved in coursing.
I just think that we have to start making a stand against this insidious form of Political Correctness.

Cass

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Perhaps we shopuld launch a counter offensive?

Vegeta wrote: »

Doesn't matter to them, they see all animals as "pets" and cant distinguish between wildlife and the dog at home.

4gun wrote: »

Why not compose a counter letter that we can all email the various offices high lighting the positive side to culling wild animals,
anyone want to take a shot at it,

CJhaughey wrote: »

I just think that we have to start making a stand against this insidious form of Political Correctness.

All valid points lads, but one word of caution. Too many times a person can get "carried away" with a response to an "organisation" and allow the heart to write rather than the head. Many times here i have been involved in debates with anti shooting/hunting people, and while they resorted to name calling and swearing, i kept a level head and simply picked apart their arguments.

This is a key point when responding, especially to another group/dept/organisation where your response could be used in public. You must use restraint and the ability to rise above the pettiness that those opposed would use. This act alone can sway favour better than any argument.

I once wrote a quick post here some months back detailing the possible implications were hunting to be stopped/banned. I'm not saying to use it, but it shows the benefits to our sport, environmentally, economically and socially. Something along these points would be best used. it gets across what we do, while maintaining a personal aspect to show it was written by a person, and not a "machine".

Start with deer. Population would rise dramatically in a short time. The Greens beloved replantation scheme (or whoever thought it up) would be wiped out from the deer stripping bark from sapplings and killing them. Farmers with these trees/sapplings on their land would loose money on the vegitation destroyed and also on the possible yield another crop may have provided.

Rabbits. Population exposion, immediately. Crops, grass lands and eventually urban encroachment follow soon after as animals are starving and seek food. Disease (mix, etc) spreads unchecked and uncontrolled. Dead, dying and diseased bodies start to pile up around all areas of the country.

Foxes. Uncontrolled population means increase in numbers. With no culling and a plentiful food supply from rabbits and other uncontrolled vermin their numbers begin to rise quite quickly. As the population grows so to does the need for territory. Again urban encroachment on a grand scale.

Birds (in general). As always uncontrolled population means increase in numbers. Crops being devastated, starvation as they fight for the dwindling food supply with other vemin/game.

Now look at the people involved. Shooters by their very nature care, maintain and upkeep the land they shoot on. Be it through ownership, shooting rights, etc it is in their benefit to keep a healthy environment and eco-system for both the livestock and crops. This creates a bonanza for vermin that would destroy this. If shooting stopped in the morning gunclubs would be the first thing to go. The NARGC would be obsolete. All the year round maintenance provided by shooters cease. For larger farmers, not too much of an issue, at first. For smaller farmers that rely on these lads it mean certain things don't get done. The shooer will help for a while, but with no "give and take" with the land owners commitment may waver. Lets be naive about this. Now the aforementioned vermin/game start to attack these previously "protected" grazing/crop lands.

Local community. The bonds/friendships are not as strong as interaction between people is lessened as common interests differ. People drift apart and become strangers to their neighbours. Businesses in the locality see a small drop in sales at first. Then the local shop has to close the deli counter and let staff go. Worst case, they have to shut up shop altogether as the local that used to stop while out shooting now gets all their supplies from the supermarket. All dealers are pretty much out of business aprt from those that can cater exclusively to the target shooting community. More jobs lost, less income for the revenue, more social welfare payments, depression, poverty, etc.


All this may seem over the top or not possible, but give it 5, 7 at most 10 years and when "bambi" and "thumper" are dying in people's gardens, animals turn feral, turn on each other see if those responsible are quite as smuggly content with themselves.

I am not a "blood thirsty" killer out for the "thrill" of it. I enjoy my sport and my target works takes care of (most of) my love of shooting. All of my game/vermin shooting is done by request or necessity. I enjoy the ourdoors. The stalk. I have seen and watched far more than i have shot. I should not have to defend my sport from anyone least of all those ill-informed minorities that cannot see past/further than the end of their nose or their own ill-concieved ideas of morality.

I hope you understand i'm not preaching or telling you all what to do or say, but a level headed letter without, cussing/swearing/name calling, will be read and received better than one calling those opposed a "bunch of ...... (so and so's).

meathstevie

The first line in the original post says it all : "From this months Animal voice".
Since when do animals speak ( sorry if I'm causing offence to the odd parrot ) ? Next thing they'll be looking for political representation, well I've six potential TD's in my back garden : four members of the Hen Party, the president of the dogging association and a big cock.

Tackleberrywho

Just looking @ the ICABS site, 95% of the pictures must be 20 years old.

Then they show cute little fox cubs and say that they won't eat lambs!

kowloon

meathstevie wrote: »

Next thing they'll be looking for political representation, well I've six potential TD's in my back garden : four members of the Hen Party, the president of the dogging association and a big cock.

As a loyal supporter and member of the catering staff I would like it to be known that the Hen Party has NEVER opposed the shooting of foxes in any way, shape or form. The cock is none too keen on the b*stards either.

kildare.17hmr

well said ezridax and your right keepin a level head when the others are loosing theirs is the only way to approach it

terminator2

post the photo of the woman with half her arm torn off by that maniac fox;)

Grizzly 45

They must be thinking of the emperor Caligulia of Roman times.Who appointed his horse as a senator to the forum.Seeing that we have had enough donkeys,parrots and monkeys not to mind vegtables of the Green variety in the last Dail.I would have thought they would be well repersented.:rolleyes:

On a more serious note,has anyone of those gun clubs botherd to contact the Tuam archdiocse and tell them to get stuffed when they are looking for their annual Easter dues and handout??

@Terminator..Brilliant idea! That pic as a poster with somthing under it like ."so and so attacked by a fox"
"So you dont think they will kill sheep or lambs either??"
Couldnt have asked for a better poster girl or image to be used to counter the anti arguements.