mondeo st220

sean1141

Anyone know anything about these mondeos? look like a cheap powerfull(ish) car.. they seem to come well speced.. would a lad be mad to consider buying one?
are the 2.2tdci worth a look??

few examples..
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1796708

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201103377398421/sort/priceasc/usedcars/model/mondeo/make/ford/radius/1501/page/2/keywords/st220/postcode/sa726tw?logcode=p

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201103377464599/sort/priceasc/usedcars/model/mondeo/make/ford/radius/1501/page/2/keywords/st220/postcode/sa726tw?logcode=p
diesel
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201104378454618/sort/priceasc/usedcars/body-type/saloon/fuel-type/diesel/model/mondeo/make/ford/radius/1501/page/1/keywords/st/postcode/sa726tw?logcode=p

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201101376502588/sort/priceasc/usedcars/body-type/saloon/fuel-type/diesel/model/mondeo/make/ford/radius/1501/page/1/keywords/st/postcode/sa726tw?logcode=p

whippet

A mate of mine has the diesel version and it is a lovely machine ... Frugal enough,with a simple remap it's quick and very well speced inside

misterdeeds

sean1141 wrote: »

Anyone know anything about these mondeos? look like a cheap powerfull(ish) car.. they seem to come well speced.. would a lad be mad to consider buying one?
are the 2.2tdci worth a look??

few examples..
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1796708

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201103377398421/sort/priceasc/usedcars/model/mondeo/make/ford/radius/1501/page/2/keywords/st220/postcode/sa726tw?logcode=p

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201103377464599/sort/priceasc/usedcars/model/mondeo/make/ford/radius/1501/page/2/keywords/st220/postcode/sa726tw?logcode=p
diesel
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201104378454618/sort/priceasc/usedcars/body-type/saloon/fuel-type/diesel/model/mondeo/make/ford/radius/1501/page/1/keywords/st/postcode/sa726tw?logcode=p

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201101376502588/sort/priceasc/usedcars/body-type/saloon/fuel-type/diesel/model/mondeo/make/ford/radius/1501/page/1/keywords/st/postcode/sa726tw?logcode=p

yep go for it its a fab car and qt fast its faster dan a ferrari 440 - 0-60 id def get one if i cud

That 04 one on donedeal is priced well, pity about the lowering, may or may not have enhanced the handling, Stig got one around the track in a very decent time.

EPM

Repeat of top gear last night with an ST220, Mazda 6 MPS and Vectra VXR. I'd search out a few MPS for a comparison.

Mondeo would win for sound though:)

stealthyspeeder

Beat me to it EPM, I had a 3 MPS and loved it, 6 MPS with 260 bhp, AWD, the 2.3 l turbo engine was in Wards top 10 engines 3 years running. clear winner to me if your looking in this class, I reckon 6-7g cash would pick one up in the UK.

CosmicJay

St220 and a full miltek cat back.

Throw a remap on and you'd be laughing. Lovely cars and the low down torque and growl of the v6 gets addictive.

Well worth the money. *thumbs up*

Henry Ford III

Why would you remap an ST220? It's not even got a turbo

CosmicJay

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Why would you remap an ST220? It's not even got a turbo

It appears most on the fast fords forum are getting anywhere from 15-20bhp out of it.

If you want to squeeze it for everything whats another 300+ euro?

From what I've heard with a panel filter, remap and cat back most have been making 235-240+.


Wether its pub talk or not who knows. :pac:

okane1

sean1141 wrote: »

Anyone know anything about these mondeos? look like a cheap powerfull(ish) car.. they seem to come well speced.. would a lad be mad to consider buying one?
are the 2.2tdci worth a look??

Regarding ST220 vs ST TDCI, everything is pretty much the same bar the engine. However the ST220 has recaro leather seats as standard, on the TCDI these were optional extras.

In terms of performance, of the line the 220 would be quicker as the TDCI has a limiter in 1st & 2nd gear to protect the gearbox from the high torque the diesel develops. In gear performance, the diesel would have the edge, a lot more torque. The 220 has poor MPG (25mpg), the TDCI has very good +45mpg. I myself have achieved 52mpg.

As stated, the TCDI responses very well to a remap and a decat. The 220 required a lot more money to get similar performance gains over the diesel.

antomorro-sei

Thinking about getting one of these next year myself, the 2.2 cdti that is.

Any other "quick" diesels out there, with not huge engines!? Accord 2.2?

sean1141

cheers for the replys guys. ya i seen a bit of that topgear last nyt bit wasnt really paying attention to it.. seen a sweet blue one on the way up to dublin today... the guards use to have a red st220 down this way.. 19' rims lowered and ment to be tuned but sur it could only have been a myth!! a fair few lads got done when they tried race it!! ya the diesels are nice but it would hardly be worth my while changing to one.. i would love to get the petrol but it would break me trying to run it unless i could get a very cheap one.. what size brakes are on them?? the disks look tiny behind the rims!!
im not over fond of the shape of the mazda but it sounds like a serious machine.. never knew they were AWD!!

what other sort of cars fall into this category??.. if i do buy i wont be modding it in any way...

stealthyspeeder

antomorro-sei wrote: »

Thinking about getting one of these next year myself, the 2.2 cdti that is.

Any other "quick" diesels out there, with not huge engines!? Accord 2.2?

There is one other, but the mere mention of it derails threads round here!

Tragedy

ST220 isn't massively quick for it's power/engine size - looks stunning though.

Was looking at getting one instead of my ZT 190, but the rover v6 sounds better and the MG handled better(imho) and was an awful lot cheaper

@okane: comparing in gear performance isn't comparing like with like. Compare the st220 in 3rd gear at 4,500 revs with the ST TDCI in 3rd gear at 2,500 revs, that's like with like.

antomorro-sei

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

There is one other, but the mere mention of it derails threads round here!

O*****a?

I wouldn't buy one anyway, I actually like the look of the Mondeo or Accord.

Tragedy wrote: »

ST220 isn't massively quick for it's power/engine size - looks stunning though.

Hmm, any quick motor, diesel too? Something big-ish with a bit of power would be nice.

sean1141

antomorro-sei wrote: »

O*****a?
Hmm, any quick motor, diesel too? Something big-ish with a bit of power would be nice.

Start your own thread and dont be runing mine :p:p
2.5 v6 audi a4 525/530 d bmw and i think there is a 2.2 diesel avensis..

no you cant compare a 2.2 deisel to a 3.0 v6 petrol

antomorro-sei

sean1141 wrote: »

Start your own thread and dont be runing mine :p:p
2.5 v6 audi a4 525/530 d bmw and i think there is a 2.2 diesel avensis..

no you cant compare a 2.2 deisel to a 3.0 v6 petrol

Haha apologies man, I won't be getting a new motor til next year anyway, so I'll leave the thread for a while!

Cheers for the hi-jacked thread info tho :P

sean1141

ah dont worry about it... work away.. sur the mondep is only an notion that came into my head today.. it will be something different next week!!

Tragedy

The 1.9ctdi in vectra's and saabs remaps to mad a power(people are going from 150hp to 200hp with feck all money and work spent).

If I was going for a diesel, I'd probably price a facelift vectra ctdi and see if I could get a decent spec one.

sean1141

my own 150tdi will map to 190 handy.. it will kill the flywheel at some point do..

Tragedy

sean1141 wrote: »

my own 150tdi will map to 190 handy.. it will kill the flywheel at some point do..

Not sure on PD remaps to 190 actually being 190 brake, know a guy(he remapped my old diesel :pac:) with a GT TDI Anniversary which was rolling roaded at 260bhp, he reckoned you'd need a new intercooler and clutch minimum to see over 180(and keep it reliable) on the 1.9teediddlyeye.

The 1.9 150 in the astras and vectras is reliably rolling roaded between 185-195(depending on if you go BSR, Courtenary or Regal) with nothing but a remap.
YMMV though!

sean1141

Tragedy wrote: »

Not sure on PD remaps to 190 actually being 190 brake, know a guy(he remapped my old diesel :pac:) with a GT TDI Anniversary which was rolling roaded at 260bhp, he reckoned you'd need a new intercooler and clutch minimum to see over 180(and keep it reliable) on the 1.9teediddlyeye.

The 1.9 150 in the astras and vectras is reliably rolling roaded between 185-195(depending on if you go BSR, Courtenary or Regal) with nothing but a remap.
YMMV though!

accordind to chipped ireland a 1.9cdti 150bhp vectra will map to 175bhp
http://www.chippedire.com/vms_view.php
and a 150pd leon will go to 182 bhp
http://www.chippedire.com/vms_view.php

Tragedy

sean1141 wrote: »

accordind to chipped ireland a 1.9cdti 150bhp vectra will map to 175bhp
http://www.chippedire.com/vms_view.php
and a 150pd leon will go to 182 bhp
http://www.chippedire.com/vms_view.php

No offence, but I'd treat chippedire with a grain of salt and go with a company you've seen rolling road results for. An awful lot of remap and tuning box companies exaggerate.

Tea 1000

okane1 wrote: »

Regarding ST220 vs ST TDCI, everything is pretty much the same bar the engine. However the ST220 has recaro leather seats as standard, on the TCDI these were optional extras.

In terms of performance, of the line the 220 would be quicker as the TDCI has a limiter in 1st & 2nd gear to protect the gearbox from the high torque the diesel develops. In gear performance, the diesel would have the edge, a lot more torque. The 220 has poor MPG (25mpg), the TDCI has very good +45mpg. I myself have achieved 52mpg.

As stated, the TCDI responses very well to a remap and a decat. The 220 required a lot more money to get similar performance gains over the diesel.

The petrol would devour the diesel, they wouldn't compare at all.
I'd be another one to go for the Mazda MPS over the ST220.

sean1141

Tragedy wrote: »

No offence, but I'd treat chippedire with a grain of salt and go with a company you've seen rolling road results for. An awful lot of remap and tuning box companies exaggerate.

No offence, but I know loads of guys who haved used joe at chippedirl and I have never heard a bad word.. a few of the guys with pd150 golfs have been on the RR with an upgraded pannel filter and have seen 190bhp

I think the mazda look cheap compared to the mondeo

Antrim_Man

I had the ST TDCi remapped and on the motorway was getting over 60 mpg. It was the best car I ever owned, so sorry I sold it.

Now have a BMW 318 ES M sport and its rubbish.:o

Tragedy

sean1141 wrote: »

No offence, but I know loads of guys who haved used joe at chippedirl and I have never heard a bad word.. a few of the guys with pd150 golfs have been on the RR with an upgraded pannel filter and have seen 190bhp

I think the mazda look cheap compared to the mondeo

I've heard mixed reports about Joe, and when I asked if the remap didn't deliver the results when rolling roaded would I get a refund, I didn't get a reply :pac:

sean1141

Fair enough.. A lot of the guys on vagdrivers use him and I never heard a bad word as I said.

I know one guy who had a standard 130pd. Put it on thr RR one day and it put out 142bhp

stealthyspeeder

sean1141 wrote: »

No offence, but I know loads of guys who haved used joe at chippedirl and I have never heard a bad word.. a few of the guys with pd150 golfs have been on the RR with an upgraded pannel filter and have seen 190bhp

I think the mazda look cheap compared to the mondeo

Mazda 260 bhp standard with AWD, I know which one would look cheap on a wet day!

sean1141

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

Mazda 260 bhp standard with AWD, I know which one would look cheap on a wet day!

cheap and wet on them days so!!

Matt Simis

antomorro-sei wrote: »

Any other "quick" diesels out there, with not huge engines!? Accord 2.2?

Alfa's 2.4JTDm is 200bhp stock.

waxon-waxoff

Once you reach two litre or over the badge is important so people buy A4 or 3 series. Plus you are in Subaru wrx territory now, so these cars are going to be rare. Ive driven a Mazda 6 1.8 in the past and was impressed, nice interior and decent power so im guessing the MPS must be really good. Ive seen the guards v6 Mondeo's before, look great with the chunky five spokes and subtle body kit

stealthyspeeder

waxon-waxoff wrote: »

Once you reach two litre or over the badge is important

really?

okane1

Tea 1000 wrote: »

The petrol would devour the diesel, they wouldn't compare at all.
I'd be another one to go for the Mazda MPS over the ST220.

devour of the line, yes. In my experience, once moving it be a pretty close match

cpoh1

okane1 wrote: »

devour of the line, yes. In my experience, once moving it be a pretty close match

Only on boards will you get a guy trying to convince you the same car with a 2.2 turbo diesel is as good as one with a 3.0L v6 engine :rolleyes:

The ole shove in the back off the daysul giving folks the impression they are going fast :pac:

waxon-waxoff

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

really?

Im not saying its right but its what most people in Ireland think.

VW offered the Passat here with a 1.6 and the Bora with a 1.4 but not in the UK. Why? Because Irish people are more concerned with the looks and image than whats under the bonnet, as long as it has low motor tax rates.

Tea 1000

sean1141 wrote: »

I think the mazda look cheap compared to the mondeo

Funny, I think the exact opposite. Exterior is a bit tarty looking, in typical fast Ford fashion, and interior of all Fords is typically shyte. Driving position is unforgivable though, and that's the final nail in it's coffin for me. Plus, for all the extra tax, it's slower than the MPS!

Atomic Pineapple

waxon-waxoff wrote: »

Im not saying its right but its what most people in Ireland think.

VW offered the Passat here with a 1.6 and the Bora with a 1.4 but not in the UK. Why? Because Irish people are more concerned with the looks and image than whats under the bonnet, as long as it has low motor tax rates.

I dont think anyone buying a Passat or Bora can be accused of being concerned with the cars styling!

Tea 1000

Tea 1000 wrote: »

and interior of all Fords is typically shyte

The interior of that era Mondeo is awful anyway, very cheap plasticy feel to everything.

CosmicJay

draffodx wrote: »

I dont think anyone buying a Passat or Bora can be accused of being concerned with the cars styling!

Their beautiful. . .in a chubby bulbous sort of way.

At the end of the day.

The diesel is always going to be cheaper to run. It won't really be anywhere near the same experience as the v6.

Just ask yourself.

What would you want to say, I have a diesel mondeo or

I have a 3.0 v6 st220. V6 please. Om nom nom

If you have the cash the MPS would be a much better buy. Faster, slightly better inside and wont gulp fuel as much!

cpoh1

The only drawback of the mazda 6 MPS I can see is the initial cost, theyre quite a bit pricier than the st220 at the moment (then again they are newer). They have bmore power, cheaper tax, 4wd, more tuning possibilities with the turbo and the interior is lovely (im a big fan of the recaros in the st though).

cadaliac

ST TDCI gets my vote.
If you go into 3.0l v6 country, then its a whole different cost base.
The diesel won't be nearly as quick but then again it won't wear out tyres or burn fuel as quickly. Tax is a killer too.
For bang for your buck the TDCI is a good bet imo.
Personaly I think the interiour is OK. Great seats and lots of goodies.
The one issue I had (when I test drove one a few years ago) was the brakes. They wouldn't stop you smiling.

cadaliac

cadaliac wrote: »

The one issue I had (when I test drove one a few years ago) was the brakes. They wouldn't stop you smiling.

When my Mondeo was in crash repair the body shop manager of the main dealers was chatting away to me and asked how I found the brakes on her, I said poor enough really, it usually stops a foot or two later than I'd expect but I was after getting used to it. He claimed a good few of the lads working there who had them as take home cars had driven into the back of folks. Mine was a boggo 2005 rep mobile but he reckoned it was across the range.

langdang

Heard similar reports of the 2.5V6 Cougar brakes versus other cars of similar power

yop

Have the 2.2 ST TDCI, happy out with it for power and performance. Cheap to replace the parts, having done 2 shocks and an EGR valve already.
The alloys on them are soft, the corrod very easily but outside of that I am very happy with the car.
I had the Mazda 6 MPS before that and it was a weapon. Its not called the Beast From the East for nothing!

cpoh1

yop wrote: »

Have the 2.2 ST TDCI, happy out with it for power and performance. Cheap to replace the parts, having done 2 shocks and an EGR valve already.
The alloys on them are soft, the corrod very easily but outside of that I am very happy with the car.
I had the Mazda 6 MPS before that and it was a weapon. Its not called the Beast From the East for nothing!

Hi yop, why did you get rid of the mps out of curiosity? Was thinking of getting one as my next daily runaround.

yop

Started working in Dublin so my 2 day commute from Mayo to Dublin at 19/100ltr would have been a tad expensive, that and the higher chance of getting points! That car just died to be driven!

Its about Clondalkin currently, have spotted it twice, its an 05 LK reg, lovely car. I would look at buying a Mazda 6 as my next car.

maddness

OP buy that ST220, it looks like a very good example and would be so much nicer than a Tdci. The diesel would be fine but not a patch.
In five or ten years there will be even fewer good cheap great sounding V6's around to be had. I had one of the original Golf VR6's about 10 years ago and I loved it, every time I put my foot down it sounded soooo good, a bit like a touring car!
Long live the V6's!

sean1141

would love the v6 just for the sake of having a v6.. i think its a bad time to be buying one do.. tax and running costs would be mental.. insurance is only the same as my 1.9tdi!
bigest problem i see in buying one is when it comes to selling it again...

tossy

misterdeeds wrote: »

yep go for it its a fab car and qt fast its faster dan a ferrari 440 - 0-60 id def get one if i cud

Whats a Ferrari 440?