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Why I won't be voting Sinn Fein

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    #272
    MazG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭MazG


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    The proposed FF/FG/GP/LB alternative is simply "hand over everything until we default anyway". There is absolutely no feasible way proposed by any of them to cover the repayments.
    I see the SF/ULA plan as based on reality, not 3% growth fantasy land.
    As to €20 billion overspend every year, it seems somewhere close to this could be saved every year by cancelling NAMA immediately.


    Can you please elaborate on what 'cancelling' NAMA would entail and how it would save €20bn.

    As for the other parties (assuming purely for the sake of addressing your point that they can be taken en masse) their growth predictions may well turn out to be inaccurate, in which case they will either have to

    1) Renegotiate with IMF/EU as to repayments
    2) Cut public spending
    3) Raise taxes
    4) Some combination of 1 - 3
    or
    5) Default on the national debt.

    I think option 4 is more likely than option 5


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    #273
    betsie
    Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭betsie


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    If a farmer is sitting on 1000 acres of assets worth million he doesn't feel like using for anything I don't see why he can't be taxed on that.

    Id love to know where all these farmers sitting on 1000acres that dont feel like using it for anything are........have you actually had an experience of this?? :rolleyes:


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    #274
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    MazG wrote: »
    Can you please elaborate on what 'cancelling' NAMA would entail and how it would save €20bn.

    As for the other parties (assuming purely for the sake of addressing your point that they can be taken en masse) their growth predictions may well turn out to be inaccurate, in which case they will either have to

    1) Renegotiate with IMF/EU as to repayments
    2) Cut public spending
    3) Raise taxes
    4) Some combination of 1 - 3
    or
    5) Default on the national debt.

    I think option 4 is more likely than option 5

    1. Collect underpants
    2. ...
    3. Profit!
    Id love to know where all these farmers sitting on 1000acres that dont feel like using it for anything are

    I'm going to resist pointing out where there's sufficient empty space for that to happen.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


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    #275
    The Volt
    Registered Users Posts: 7,957 ✭✭✭The Volt


    Pat D. Almighty wrote: »
    Go back and check the Dail records....they did not vote in favour of the blanket guarantees.
    1 October 2008 in the Seanad:
    "This legislation is about more than the banks. It is about offering security to ordinary citizens and to investors in Irish businesses which in turn means jobs. As the media speculated, other states may well follow this move by our State... my party welcomes this decisive move... I support this Bill".

    Pearse Doherty!!!!


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    #276
    JohnMc1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Their leader is a liar, their economic policies are a joke but mostly their corruption and "contacts" would be enough for me. They havent gone away you know. Indeed.

    What Political party isn't corrupt anymore?


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    #277
    aridion
    Registered Users Posts: 142 ✭✭aridion


    Nozebleed wrote: »
    I dont give a sh*t if FG dont want to go into government with SF. if they refuse to go into partnership they can fu*k off out off the country..

    Typical SF attitude. This is a great chance for a good left party to make in roads into government and to supply solid viable options in with economic policies. Sinn Fein aint that party.


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    #278
    Procrastinator
    Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭Procrastinator


    Hello all, I'm like Dougall in Father Ted, "hugely confused" about the election.
    My problem is this, I'm extremely, (no, strike that), I'm HOMICIDALLY disappointed with the behaviour, statements and 'performance' of the current political status quo.

    But I don't want to vote in protest...meaning I don't want to squander a vote in anger, just to vote the current crowd of lying bastards out, rather than attempting to vote positively, ie to VOTE IN someone who might be able to help us all out of this crazy economic mess.

    So, as an Irish citizen, i figure I must do the following...
    1. examine each candidate in my constituency on their potential benefits for my community. I have to think about more than me.
    2. think about the potential of a socialist/labour solution to our current problems
    3. reassure myself that all politics is lies anyway...and it's my prerogative to decide each politician's degree of culpability, in context, for the political lies they tell. This first assumes a naturalness to political lying or disingenuousness; it is the presumption that the people involved in politics find this kind of behaviour both natural to them and necessary in their work of diplomacy, negotiation..a more colloquial word for this should be "bull****ting".
    Secondly it assumes both the necessity and unavoidability of lying, to whatever degree, in political life.
    4. But i also reassure myself that i have both the intelligence and ability to discriminate between what's a white/grey/off-white lie that might have been politically expedient at the time, and that which I construe to be a political bastard ****er's lie...something that suited the politician themselves, or their family member and which has been pursued to the exclusion of any other conceivable wider good for their community or the country.
    5. Think about what's best for the country and so who to give my vote to...not who could form a government with whomever...
    **** that ****...that's THEIR job...
    6. but the sinn fein question is troubling me still

    They lie but no more than, and on a smaller monetary scale, than everyone else...


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    #279
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    aridion wrote: »
    Typical SF attitude. This is a great chance for a good left party to make in roads into government and to supply solid viable options in with economic policies. Sinn Fein aint that party.
    Which one is the "left" party again in Ireland if it isn't SF as a matter of interest? Would this be a "left" party that agrees with FF that private debt should be added to the public debt?


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    #280
    aridion
    Registered Users Posts: 142 ✭✭aridion


    As far as I know the Socialist Party aren't in agreement with the Gov. on these matters. Are they Dan Solo?


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    #281
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    aridion wrote: »
    As far as I know the Socialist Party aren't in agreement with the Gov. on these matters. Are they Dan Solo?
    My apologies. I thought you were referring to Labour as being "left" like just about everybody else on here.
    The Socialist Party/ULA don't even have enough candidates to take advantage of a swing to a left-wing vote I'm afraid.


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