bye bye greens

hedgecutting eddie

greens gone out of goverment ,is every farmer in the country delighted to hear that ,i kno i am.:D:D:D:D

jeff greene

They were a disaster, how could so few, have had so much influence on the Government? They defiantly don’t understand countrylife and I won’t miss them:D

sh1tstirrer

The problem is will they be kept out.

reilig

Does this mean that the climate change bill isn't going to happen now? I thought this was one of their main aims while in government??

johnmcdnl

they will be kept out - there going to be linked to FF so no one is going to vote for them - they'll be lucky to keep a seat in the Dail I'd say... Even in the cities where they had some support there going to be hit hard...

I wonder how many of there policies will be dropped though with the new government

Fiskar

I wonder how many of there policies will be dropped though with the new government[/QUOTE]

I'd say very little or any of their policies will be dropped by the new government as they were based on Eu Directives or Regulations. There would be fines for doing so. It's status quo for the moment, nothing will happen, new government has to find it's feet after a long period out, jobs and the economy will take precedence.

irishh_bob

hedgecutting eddie wrote: »

greens gone out of goverment ,is every farmer in the country delighted to hear that ,i kno i am.:D:D:D:D

im keeping my chapagne on ice untill FF are decimated

BeeDI

irishh_bob wrote: »

im keeping my chapagne on ice untill FF are decimated

And when Enda rides in in his white steed, along with gilmore and pat rabbite riding shotgun, you will no doubt be filled with confidence about the future. Que another bottle of champagne. :cool:

John_F

sh1tstirrer wrote: »

The problem is will they be kept out.

was delighted when i heard the news on radio while filling diet feeder.... then this evening when i heard about green eammon having conversation with fine gael simon coveney... are these parties getting pally... and when there being included in the talks with the finance bill... will they get more pally.. and come election if any green is in the dail will fine gael be looking to them as to form a collation.......



here's hoping not so

irishh_bob

BeeDI wrote: »

And when Enda rides in in his white steed, along with gilmore and pat rabbite riding shotgun, you will no doubt be filled with confidence about the future. Que another bottle of champagne. :cool:

dont be so sure , gilmore and co might be surplus to requirements considering how much of the FF vote is up for grabs , had FG representitives had the wit to replace kenny with bruton last summer , FG would have cruised to an overall majority , kenny is the one thing that makes potential FG voters think twice

irishh_bob

John_F wrote: »

was delighted when i heard the news on radio while filling diet feeder.... then this evening when i heard about green eammon having conversation with fine gael simon coveney... are these parties getting pally... and when there being included in the talks with the finance bill... will they get more pally.. and come election if any green is in the dail will fine gael be looking to them as to form a collation.......



here's hoping not so

would perfer to see FG go into goverment with the green party than with labour if thats all it took to make up the numbers , i doubt the greens will have enough still standing on the pitch after the election though to make any difference

Shauny2010

Stupid fuc*ers, they could have at least waited till the finance bill was passed,
this shows that they don't give a sh1t about Ireland

Min

I don't think we will be made up with Labour in government.

Birdnuts

irishh_bob wrote: »

dont be so sure , gilmore and co might be surplus to requirements considering how much of the FF vote is up for grabs , had FG representitives had the wit to replace kenny with bruton last summer , FG would have cruised to an overall majority , kenny is the one thing that makes potential FG voters think twice

FG is the party of the big farmer and I fully expect them to follow that agenda in government - I just hope they won't have control of the Dept of Environment too which would be a disaster going on the record of FG controlled councils around the country and the fact that powerfull vested interests have as much sway over FG as they do FF

whelan1

sh1tstirrer wrote: »

The problem is will they be kept out.

tbh apart from their direct families i cant see anybody voting for them

henryporter

So the Greens are responsible for the economic meltdown of this country? How many of ye voted FF since 1997?

BeeDI

whelan1 wrote: »

tbh apart from their direct families i cant see anybody voting for them

Do they have families? I mean families who admit being related to them.:D

henryporter

jeff greene wrote: »

They were a disaster, how could so few, have had so much influence on the Government? They defiantly don’t understand countrylife and I won’t miss them:D

I live in the countryside (and am the son of a farmer) and all I see are farmers diluting slurry tanks out of a stream, starving horses and dead foals (if ye want pictures pm me), under utilised farm land, over emphasis on beef farming, no concepts of crop rotation whatsoever, very few farmers growing their own veg, hedgerows being shredded with flail cutters all year round, etc. etc. The Greens aren't the only ones who don't understand 'countrylife'.

Birdnuts

henryporter wrote: »

So the Greens are responsible for the economic meltdown of this country? How many of ye voted FF since 1997?

Most I'd say going on the fact that the average FF voter is now over 65 and rural based - big farmers though tend to go for FG

Shauny2010

henryporter wrote: »

I live in the countryside (and am the son of a farmer) and all I see are farmers diluting slurry tanks out of a stream, starving horses and dead foals (if ye want pictures pm me), under utilised farm land, over emphasis on beef farming, no concepts of crop rotation whatsoever, very few farmers growing their own veg, hedgerows being shredded with flail cutters all year round, etc. etc. The Greens aren't the only ones who don't understand 'countrylife'.

What about Gormly, he used to cycle to the Dail and then have a big entourage of state cars following him along the road to carry his briefcase.

What about his own vested interest in stopping the new incinerator.

The Greens are a sham who like the rest of the TDs lived it up with juicy expenses and lavish lifestyles

Good riddance to bad rubbish I say

Birdnuts

Shauny2010 wrote: »

What about Gormly, he used to cycle to the Dail and then have a big entourage of state cars following him along the road to carry his briefcase.

What about his own vested interest in stopping the new incinerator.

The Greens are a sham who like the rest of the TDs lived it up with juicy expenses and lavish lifestyles

Good riddance to bad rubbish I say

Ok - but no point in replacing them with more of the same in the form of the 2 main parties which tend to dominate in rural areas:(

BeeDI

henryporter wrote: »

So the Greens are responsible for the economic meltdown of this country? How many of ye voted FF since 1997?

I did, ONLY, because the FG election manifesto promised to spend even more money than the FF'rs:mad:

Birdnuts

BeeDI wrote: »

I did, ONLY, because the FG election manifesto promised to spend even more money than the FF'rs:mad:

You've just proved my point - little difference between the 2 main parties ie. time to look elsewhere:)

Shauny2010

There is nowhere else to look,
FG is another version of FF
I`m not voting Labour as all they are is a the public service party who will only pay themselves more
A vote for an Independent is a complete waste of time as they can do nothing only toe the line

So who does that leave ?
Sinn Féin
thats a scary thought

reilig

henryporter wrote: »

I live in the countryside (and am the son of a farmer) and all I see are farmers diluting slurry tanks out of a stream, starving horses and dead foals (if ye want pictures pm me), under utilised farm land, over emphasis on beef farming, no concepts of crop rotation whatsoever, very few farmers growing their own veg, hedgerows being shredded with flail cutters all year round, etc. etc. The Greens aren't the only ones who don't understand 'countrylife'.

What's wrong with taking water out of a stream to thin slurry???? If the farmer was pouring slurry into it, then report him to your local county council. I cannot see how there could be an over emphasis on beef farming when there is the lowest amount of beef cattle in this country for years. Surely its a good thing. Report people who cut hedges out of season, its wrong. Is underutilising farm land a bad thing??? Finally, any farmer that starves animals - cattle, horses pigs, should be reported to the Department of Agriculture. A very small minority do this and IMO they should be banned from keeping animals.

I would love to see your pictures of the "over emhphasis on beef farming", the "farmers dilutuing slurry tanks out of a stream", and the "under utilised farm land" as I would like to understand how these have a negative impact on the countryside.

Happyman42

reilig wrote: »

I would love to see your pictures of the "over emhphasis on beef farming", the "farmers dilutuing slurry tanks out of a stream", and the "under utilised farm land" as I would like to understand how these have a negative impact on the countryside.

Same here
Another sore Green gilding the lily methinks. :rolleyes:

BeeDI

henryporter wrote: »

I live in the countryside (and am the son of a farmer) and all I see are farmers diluting slurry tanks out of a stream, starving horses and dead foals (if ye want pictures pm me), under utilised farm land, over emphasis on beef farming, no concepts of crop rotation whatsoever, very few farmers growing their own veg, hedgerows being shredded with flail cutters all year round, etc. etc. The Greens aren't the only ones who don't understand 'countrylife'.

So that's ALL you see, eh! Don't by any chance see ANY, live healthy farm animals, don't by any chance see that in incredible and allmost unaffordable amount of mone has been invested by farmers in slurry control and containment infrastructure over the past 10 years. Don't by any chance see that the cutting of hedges is extremely tightly controlled!

I can well understand why you are a son of a farmer living in the country, who is not actually farming! The auld fella, probably knew well who NOT to pass on the farm to:cool:

strewthelvis

I noticed too how pally FG has become with the Greens the past few days. Is there one green that istn a silver spoon in the gob city slicker. looked like that mary white had a trout pout last night.

rahin man

The green party bless them got organic farming seperated from reps. then opened the scheme for a month last may.

they have since rejected every commercial organic plan on the basis of there being no "growth" in the plan.

So the green partys legacy for irish agriculture was to get rid of organic farming.... you couldent make it up

still labour is no friend of the land..

The only use the shinners have for agriculture is as a source of green diesel for laundering...

What alternatives are there??

jeff greene

henryporter wrote: »

I live in the countryside (and am the son of a farmer) and all I see are farmers diluting slurry tanks out of a stream, starving horses and dead foals (if ye want pictures pm me), under utilised farm land, over emphasis on beef farming, no concepts of crop rotation whatsoever, very few farmers growing their own veg, hedgerows being shredded with flail cutters all year round, etc. etc. The Greens aren't the only ones who don't understand 'countrylife'.

First of all nothing wrong in taking water from a river, explain to everyone why you think it Is? People who don’t feed their horses is terrible but I doubt their real farmers. The use of farmland is a result of policy and economic problems, if you cant break even, Try not to lose money. You should report the hedgecutting out of season but in my area its only road junctions that are cut.

Sorry you live in a horrible area if all you see is dead foals with farmers cutting hedges all the time, any nice fields of sheeps or cows around?

Your right the Greens aren’t to only ones to not understand, neither do you.

BeeDI

rahin man wrote: »

The green party bless them got organic farming seperated from reps. then opened the scheme for a month last may.

they have since rejected every commercial organic plan on the basis of there being no "growth" in the plan.

So the green partys legacy for irish agriculture was to get rid of organic farming.... you couldent make it up

still labour is no friend of the land..

The only use the shinners have for agriculture is as a source of green diesel for laundering...

What alternatives are there??

IFA :cool: Real men doing real service for small farmers :cool:

reilig

rahin man wrote: »

What alternatives are there??

None.

This is why politics in this country has to change. And I don't just mean a change in parties in government.
A lot of my friends have already said that they won't be voting in the GE because there is just nobody credible for them to vote for.

johngalway

BeeDI wrote: »

IFA :cool: Real men doing real service for small farmers :cool:

I hope you're being sarcastic there :pac:

FG for me, and I'm one of the smallest farmers around!

rahin man

i will have the "honour" to vote for ex ifa president john dillon who is running as an independent in limerick.

In his time in office all the man was capable of saying " 15 thousand euros average farm income" i mean this was repeated ad naseum by him.

parlon ran away after the last election to represent the builders.

The ifa have always looked after the small man....ha ha

As for the comment on cutting hedges im available for 40 euro an hour till the 1st of march...

5live

henryporter wrote: »

I live in the countryside (and am the son of a farmer) and all I see are farmers diluting slurry tanks out of a stream, starving horses and dead foals (if ye want pictures pm me), under utilised farm land, over emphasis on beef farming, no concepts of crop rotation whatsoever, very few farmers growing their own veg, hedgerows being shredded with flail cutters all year round, etc. etc. The Greens aren't the only ones who don't understand 'countrylife'.

Dear henry, farmers take water from a stream to dilute the slurry so it can be agitated and then spread. Only a small %of farmers abuse animals because a dead animal costs them in disposal of the carcasse and an underfed animal will not produce a profit. As for the horses, check out the outskirts of all major towns and cities and see the condition of the horses NOT owned by farmers but urban 'animal lovers' who cant be arsed to feed, house or care for them because they are now short of cash. If a farmer did that it would be major headline news but those poor urban dwellers, well...... Do you grow your own veg? Do you have any idea how time consuming it is or the management needed to grow a basic crop? And hedge cutting is legal ALL year round on ditches verging on roads. And as for flail cutters, are we to go out with a saw or chainsaw to fulfill your utopia of hedge trimming. On your (green subsidised) bike buddy and off to work with you:rolleyes: like johnny boy and the lads want

henryporter

5live wrote: »

Dear henry, farmers take water from a stream to dilute the slurry so it can be agitated and then spread. Only a small %of farmers abuse animals because a dead animal costs them in disposal of the carcasse and an underfed animal will not produce a profit. As for the horses, check out the outskirts of all major towns and cities and see the condition of the horses NOT owned by farmers but urban 'animal lovers' who cant be arsed to feed, house or care for them because they are now short of cash. If a farmer did that it would be major headline news but those poor urban dwellers, well...... Do you grow your own veg? Do you have any idea how time consuming it is or the management needed to grow a basic crop? And hedge cutting is legal ALL year round on ditches verging on roads. And as for flail cutters, are we to go out with a saw or chainsaw to fulfill your utopia of hedge trimming. On your (green subsidised) bike buddy and off to work with you:rolleyes: like johnny boy and the lads want

I can only gather from your preposterous response and similar ones above, that I've hit a nerve (that is if there's any left in those thick skulls of yers).

So its okay to pull up to a stream with a slurry tanker, pop the same pipe used to decant the slurry out of the pit into said stream and hope nothing goes/is wrong.

I do grow my own veg so I'm probably in a much better position than you to comment on how much time is required to do so.

Section 40 of the Wildlife Act 1976, incorporating section 46 of the Wildlife (Amendment) Act 2000

(a) It shall be an offence for a person to cut, grub, burn or otherwise destroy, during the period beginning on the 1st day of March and ending on the 31st day of August in any year, any vegetation growing on any land not then cultivated.

(b) It shall be an offence for a person to cut grub, burn or otherwise destroy any vegetation growing in any hedge or ditch during the period mentioned in paragraph (a ) of this subsection.

(2) Subsection (1) of this section shall not apply in relation to – (a) the destroying, in the ordinary course of agriculture or forestry, of any vegetation growing on or in any hedge or ditch;
(b) the cutting or grubbing of isolated bushes or clumps or gorse, furze or whin or the mowing of isolated growths or fern in the ordinary course of agriculture.

(c) The cutting, grubbing or destroying of vegetation in the course of any works being duly carried out for reasons of public health or safety by a Minister or the Government or a body established or regulated by or under a statute.
(cc) the clearance of vegetation in the course of fisheries development works carried out by the Central Fisheries Board or a regional fisheries board in the exercise of its functions under the Fisheries Acts, 1959 to 1999;

(d) the destroying of any noxious weed to which the Noxious Weeds Act 1936, applies

(e) the clearance of vegetation in the course of road or other construction works or in the development or preparation of sites on which any building or other structure in intended to be provided.

(f) The removal or destruction of vegetation required by a notice served by the Minister under section 62(1) of the Act of 1946 to be removed or destroyed

My interpretation of (e) above is that hedges may be cleared for the construction of roads not because it suits you.

For any of the others above that misread my first post I have photographic evidence of a foal allowed to die up to its neck in mud beside a feeder, that was neglected in the first instance by it's no good cattle drover owner and subsequently by the farmers who drove by the animal in dire distress - I know this because they admitted ' they wished they'd done something about it at the time'

irishh_bob

Birdnuts wrote: »

FG is the party of the big farmer and I fully expect them to follow that agenda in government - I just hope they won't have control of the Dept of Environment too which would be a disaster going on the record of FG controlled councils around the country and the fact that powerfull vested interests have as much sway over FG as they do FF

FG are the party of the big farmer !

sounds like a FF election poster from the 1930,s :rolleyes:

irishh_bob

reilig wrote: »

What's wrong with taking water out of a stream to thin slurry???? If the farmer was pouring slurry into it, then report him to your local county council. I cannot see how there could be an over emphasis on beef farming when there is the lowest amount of beef cattle in this country for years. Surely its a good thing. Report people who cut hedges out of season, its wrong. Is underutilising farm land a bad thing??? Finally, any farmer that starves animals - cattle, horses pigs, should be reported to the Department of Agriculture. A very small minority do this and IMO they should be banned from keeping animals.

I would love to see your pictures of the "over emhphasis on beef farming", the "farmers dilutuing slurry tanks out of a stream", and the "under utilised farm land" as I would like to understand how these have a negative impact on the countryside.

+1 , as someone who has witnessed farming abroad , i can honestly say that irish farmers go above and beyond to make life pleasant for their animals , you often hear it said about farmers in my area , they look after thier cattle better than themselves , irish farmers tend to be overly sentimental about farm animals if anything , believing it wrong to send an animal to the knackery without at least trying to have the vet treat it and as most farmers know , its often unviable to get a vet to treat an animal , same deal with shooting jersey bulls , in new zealand , they think nothing of killing a jersey bull at birth where as irish farmers IMO have a very negative reaction to the idea

Corsendonk

BeeDI wrote: »

IFA :cool: Real men doing real service for small farmers :cool:

Unless your in horticulture then your vote ain't worth the bother.

Some posters were drawning up potential FG-Labour cabinet in the politics forum. FG seem to be a shoe in for Dept of Agriculture on everyone prediction. Would a Labour Minister for Agriculture be acceptable to anyone?

irishh_bob

reilig wrote: »

None.

This is why politics in this country has to change. And I don't just mean a change in parties in government.
A lot of my friends have already said that they won't be voting in the GE because there is just nobody credible for them to vote for.

my mum is FF , my dad was FG , personally , i dont particulary rate either although i couldnt in conscience vote for the present goverment after what they,ve done

FG are the best of a bad lot IMO

Corsendonk

rahin man wrote: »

i will have the "honour" to vote for ex ifa president john dillon who is running as an independent in limerick.

In his time in office all the man was capable of saying " 15 thousand euros average farm income" i mean this was repeated ad naseum by him.

parlon ran away after the last election to represent the builders.

The ifa have always looked after the small man....ha ha

As for the comment on cutting hedges im available for 40 euro an hour till the 1st of march...

Ohh I can do better, I have the option to vote for the ex Minister for Horticulture Trevor Sargent. A man who hadn't a clue about horticulture and wouldn't listen to anyone that did if they weren't organic farmers. I don't think I will be using that option.

5live

henryporter wrote: »

I can only gather from your preposterous response and similar ones above, that I've hit a nerve (that is if there's any left in those thick skulls of yers).

So its okay to pull up to a stream with a slurry tanker, pop the same pipe used to decant the slurry out of the pit into said stream and hope nothing goes/is wrong.

I do grow my own veg so I'm probably in a much better position than you to comment on how much time is required to do so.

Section 40 of the Wildlife Act 1976, incorporating section 46 of the Wildlife (Amendment) Act 2000

(a) It shall be an offence for a person to cut, grub, burn or otherwise destroy, during the period beginning on the 1st day of March and ending on the 31st day of August in any year, any vegetation growing on any land not then cultivated.

(b) It shall be an offence for a person to cut grub, burn or otherwise destroy any vegetation growing in any hedge or ditch during the period mentioned in paragraph (a ) of this subsection.

(2) Subsection (1) of this section shall not apply in relation to – (a) the destroying, in the ordinary course of agriculture or forestry, of any vegetation growing on or in any hedge or ditch;
(b) the cutting or grubbing of isolated bushes or clumps or gorse, furze or whin or the mowing of isolated growths or fern in the ordinary course of agriculture.

(c) The cutting, grubbing or destroying of vegetation in the course of any works being duly carried out for reasons of public health or safety by a Minister or the Government or a body established or regulated by or under a statute.
(cc) the clearance of vegetation in the course of fisheries development works carried out by the Central Fisheries Board or a regional fisheries board in the exercise of its functions under the Fisheries Acts, 1959 to 1999;

(d) the destroying of any noxious weed to which the Noxious Weeds Act 1936, applies

(e) the clearance of vegetation in the course of road or other construction works or in the development or preparation of sites on which any building or other structure in intended to be provided.

(f) The removal or destruction of vegetation required by a notice served by the Minister under section 62(1) of the Act of 1946 to be removed or destroyed

My interpretation of (e) above is that hedges may be cleared for the construction of roads not because it suits you.

For any of the others above that misread my first post I have photographic evidence of a foal allowed to die up to its neck in mud beside a feeder, that was neglected in the first instance by it's no good cattle drover owner and subsequently by the farmers who drove by the animal in dire distress - I know this because they admitted ' they wished they'd done something about it at the time'

Ahhh. Cattle drover? Not farmer??!!!!!!!!;). And your interpretation of the above legislation is correct up to a point. A farmer is obliged, OBLIGED, mind, to cut any hedging that may cause obstruction or damage on a public road at any time of the year if it becomes apparent that it is or may cause obstruction. I know because i was informed by a council offical(dont ya know) that i had to hedge trim some rented grounds ditches after an accident(before i had taken the ground, incidentally:mad:). And as for being a thick skulled farmer(see sheep posts to confirm:D), i dont care for your tone. There are many regular posters on this forum whose qualifications vastly VASTLY exceed yours, assuming you actually have any. There is little or no slurry left in an open pipe to actually pollute a stream any the few ccs that do is more than adequitely diluted by the high water tables and quantity of water in the streams, leaving a biochemical oxygen demand(BOD) that is infimenessially(?) small. Just a word of advice, offered free, bucko my lad. Dont come into a forum throwing your prejudiced weight around unless you wish to add something other than your own blinkered outlook:pac: EDIT O god. I am turning into LC. sorry LC

reilig

Stop digging.

You are telling us that you and your family knowingly walked by a foal that was being mistreated and that uinstead of actually rescuing the animal, you went to get a camera to get pictures of it instead of trying to save the poor animals life????????

Why did you not report this animal abuse????????? Its dreadful!!!!

If your family have a farm, you must never have worked on it???
How would you define a stream?? I would define it as something that has up to 6 inches of water flowing in it. In order to suck a tanker of water out of a drain or river, it needs to have at least 3ft of water. What can go wrong when sucking out a load of water from a river. The tanker is empty. The farmer will have had to have washed the filler hose in order to handle it to get it the point where he is sucking up the water. Could the empty tanker leak????? Not really when there's nothing in it in the first place.

Loads of farmers grow their own vegetables. Loads of farmers have their own animals slaughtered for their freezers. Its no big deal. Many farmers can produce 50% of the food that they require to live. I keep hens, I have a pig that is slaughtered once a year. It certainly doesn't sway any argument for understanding or not understanding country life.

Finally, as stated by the majority of posters above, there are rules for cutting hedges that most farmers follow (and you managed to cut and paste these rules from a website that you found somewhere). If they don't follow these rules, they face losing their subsidies. However, there are degrodations to these rules. Hedges that obstruct views can be and should be trimmed back. You seem to have forgotten to cut and paste that while you were at it. You only cut and pasted the information that suited your argument. Therefore your argument is flawed.

Get down off your high horse, you're the one with the "thick skull". You are trying to debate something that you have absolutely no working knowledge of (like the Green Party tried to do) and you are failing miserably (like the greens) and going nowhere (like the greens).

henryporter wrote: »

I can only gather from your preposterous response and similar ones above, that I've hit a nerve (that is if there's any left in those thick skulls of yers).

So its okay to pull up to a stream with a slurry tanker, pop the same pipe used to decant the slurry out of the pit into said stream and hope nothing goes/is wrong.

I do grow my own veg so I'm probably in a much better position than you to comment on how much time is required to do so.

Section 40 of the Wildlife Act 1976, incorporating section 46 of the Wildlife (Amendment) Act 2000

(a) It shall be an offence for a person to cut, grub, burn or otherwise destroy, during the period beginning on the 1st day of March and ending on the 31st day of August in any year, any vegetation growing on any land not then cultivated.

(b) It shall be an offence for a person to cut grub, burn or otherwise destroy any vegetation growing in any hedge or ditch during the period mentioned in paragraph (a ) of this subsection.

(2) Subsection (1) of this section shall not apply in relation to – (a) the destroying, in the ordinary course of agriculture or forestry, of any vegetation growing on or in any hedge or ditch;
(b) the cutting or grubbing of isolated bushes or clumps or gorse, furze or whin or the mowing of isolated growths or fern in the ordinary course of agriculture.

(c) The cutting, grubbing or destroying of vegetation in the course of any works being duly carried out for reasons of public health or safety by a Minister or the Government or a body established or regulated by or under a statute.
(cc) the clearance of vegetation in the course of fisheries development works carried out by the Central Fisheries Board or a regional fisheries board in the exercise of its functions under the Fisheries Acts, 1959 to 1999;

(d) the destroying of any noxious weed to which the Noxious Weeds Act 1936, applies

(e) the clearance of vegetation in the course of road or other construction works or in the development or preparation of sites on which any building or other structure in intended to be provided.

(f) The removal or destruction of vegetation required by a notice served by the Minister under section 62(1) of the Act of 1946 to be removed or destroyed

My interpretation of (e) above is that hedges may be cleared for the construction of roads not because it suits you.

For any of the others above that misread my first post I have photographic evidence of a foal allowed to die up to its neck in mud beside a feeder, that was neglected in the first instance by it's no good cattle drover owner and subsequently by the farmers who drove by the animal in dire distress - I know this because they admitted ' they wished they'd done something about it at the time'

baalthor

jeff greene wrote: »

how could so few, have had so much influence on the Government?

One could ask the same question about farmers ...

5live

baalthor wrote: »

One could ask the same question about farmers ...

Because we vote every election:D:D:D:D:D

pakalasa

Green party - political animals just like the rest of them. They prooved that this week.

It's ironic isnt it, that the 'GREEN' party, made up mostly of urban arm-chair intellectuals, are hated most by the very people that work the land and put food on their table.

I dunno, they just bug the hell outtta me. You'd just love to put them working on a farm for a week. Maybe during calving time, or something.

Ticktactoe

All i say is (and i got this from a newspaper article):
Not even the ESB can keep the Greens in power

John_F

baalthor wrote: »

One could ask the same question about farmers ...

maybe because farmers buy alot of things (vat + jobs in sales and retail), make food that are sold (jobs + vat), that is transported (jobs + vat + excise), processed (jobs + vat), transported (jobs + vat + excise), marketed (jobs + vat), sold (jobs + vat) or exported (jobs + vat), and what profit a farmer does make tax the same as everybody else is taken out of it.


just maybe though

Tipp Man

baalthor wrote: »

One could ask the same question about farmers ...

Thats funny. I heard Lenny saying the other day how good the agri sector was doing and I thought to myself, that's the first time in about 10 years that a government minister has even mentioned agriculture - the country must be well and truely f###ed

henryporter

reilig wrote: »

Stop digging.

You are telling us that you and your family knowingly walked by a foal that was being mistreated and that uinstead of actually rescuing the animal, you went to get a camera to get pictures of it instead of trying to save the poor animals life????????

Why did you not report this animal abuse????????? Its dreadful!!!!

If your family have a farm, you must never have worked on it???
How would you define a stream?? I would define it as something that has up to 6 inches of water flowing in it. In order to suck a tanker of water out of a drain or river, it needs to have at least 3ft of water. What can go wrong when sucking out a load of water from a river. The tanker is empty. The farmer will have had to have washed the filler hose in order to handle it to get it the point where he is sucking up the water. Could the empty tanker leak????? Not really when there's nothing in it in the first place.

Loads of farmers grow their own vegetables. Loads of farmers have their own animals slaughtered for their freezers. Its no big deal. Many farmers can produce 50% of the food that they require to live. I keep hens, I have a pig that is slaughtered once a year. It certainly doesn't sway any argument for understanding or not understanding country life.

Finally, as stated by the majority of posters above, there are rules for cutting hedges that most farmers follow (and you managed to cut and paste these rules from a website that you found somewhere). If they don't follow these rules, they face losing their subsidies. However, there are degrodations to these rules. Hedges that obstruct views can be and should be trimmed back. You seem to have forgotten to cut and paste that while you were at it. You only cut and pasted the information that suited your argument. Therefore your argument is flawed.

Get down off your high horse, you're the one with the "thick skull". You are trying to debate something that you have absolutely no working knowledge of (like the Green Party tried to do) and you are failing miserably (like the greens) and going nowhere (like the greens).

Me and the Mrs. and one of the Farmers who admitted driving by the animal pulled the animal free - we made several attempts to contact the owner who was in bed with a hangover, eventually his son came to collect the animal took it to a shed and dumped it there. A visit by the local SPCA and the Dept of Agriculture vet ensued and the vet ordered the animal destroyed.

Yes I admit it I used crtl c and ctrl v - I find it difficult to recite Laws and Regulations off the top of my head - the fact is I know the law and where to find it.

5live wrote: »

Ahhh. Cattle drover? Not farmer??!!!!!!!!;). And your interpretation of the above legislation is correct up to a point. A farmer is obliged, OBLIGED, mind, to cut any hedging that may cause obstruction or damage on a public road at any time of the year if it becomes apparent that it is or may cause obstruction. I know because i was informed by a council offical(dont ya know) that i had to hedge trim some rented grounds ditches after an accident(before i had taken the ground, incidentally:mad:). And as for being a thick skulled farmer(see sheep posts to confirm:D), i dont care for your tone. There are many regular posters on this forum whose qualifications vastly VASTLY exceed yours, assuming you actually have any. There is little or no slurry left in an open pipe to actually pollute a stream any the few ccs that do is more than adequitely diluted by the high water tables and quantity of water in the streams, leaving a biochemical oxygen demand(BOD) that is infimenessially(?) small. Just a word of advice, offered free, bucko my lad. Dont come into a forum throwing your prejudiced weight around unless you wish to add something other than your own blinkered outlook:pac: EDIT O god. I am turning into LC. sorry LC

Actually as a Architect (B.Arch Degree) and a trained Site Assessor for Wastewater Treatment I think I have more that enough credentials to discuss most matters - like your friend above you have segwayed to conclusions of such tangential proportions that your argument is as ludicrous as the OPs. A word of advice friends - read the posts and maybe query something if it's now clear rather than berating posters in the manner you have.

jeff greene

John_F wrote: »

maybe because farmers buy alot of things (vat + jobs in sales and retail), make food that are sold (jobs + vat), that is transported (jobs + vat + excise), processed (jobs + vat), transported (jobs + vat + excise), marketed (jobs + vat), sold (jobs + vat) or exported (jobs + vat), and what profit a farmer does make tax the same as everybody else is taken out of it.


just maybe though

+1

Agriculture is now expected to get Ireland out of this mess.