Left wing stupidity vs Right Wing Stupidity

Scanlas The 2nd

Left wing stupidity: I've noticed people on the left tend to live in a fantasy world and have this idea of how the world should be regardless of how impractical their ideas or principals are. They seem to think people should have way too many entitlement given the resources and practicalies in the real world. But they don't think about things like practicality, they seem to be more concerned with some imaginary utopia in their mind that is completely unrealistic. I find Michael Graham can point out the above very well. Although he is quite stupid on certain things too IMO.

Right Wing Stupidity: I think this boils down to them living in the past, they often cling to principals and ideas that are no longer relevant. I admire much of their practical view of the world though.

Sea Sharp

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Left wing stupidity: I've noticed people on the left tend to live in a fantasy world and have this idea of how the world should be regardless of how impractical their ideas or principals are. They seem to think people should have way too many entitlement given the resources and practicalies in the real world. But they don't think about things like practicality, they seem to be more concerned with some imaginary utopia in their mind that is completely unrealistic. I find Michael Graham can point out the above very well. Although he is quite stupid on certain things too IMO.

Right Wing Stupidity: I think this boils down to them living in the past, they often cling to principals and ideas that are no longer relevant. I admire much of their practical view of the world though.

This post seems more like a random reply to a post than a thread starter.

Scanlas The 2nd

Sea Sharp wrote: »

This post seems more like a random reply to a post than a thread starter.

I think I need lessons on thread starting.

johngalway

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Right Wing Stupidity: I think this boils down to them living in the past, they often cling to principals and ideas that are no longer relevant. I admire much of their practical view of the world though.

Practicality is still relevant to some people Thankfully!

Millicent

So, your point is, everyone but you is stupid?

rossie1977

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

But they don't think about things like practicality, they seem to be more concerned with some imaginary utopia in their mind that is completely unrealistic.

frequenting a strongly right wing forum as i do i find that this statement is more true these days of people on the right especially right wing americans, "get rid of taxes, remove all immigrants" etc and american will be a great country once again

i had one guy tell me that an extreme right-wing society couldn't lead to totalitarian or authoritarian state instead would result in individualism

meditraitor

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Left wing stupidity: I've noticed people on the left tend to live in a fantasy world and have this idea of how the world should be regardless of how impractical their ideas or principals are. They seem to think people should have way too many entitlement given the resources and practicalies in the real world. But they don't think about things like practicality, they seem to be more concerned with some imaginary utopia in their mind that is completely unrealistic. I find Michael Graham can point out the above very well. Although he is quite stupid on certain things too IMO.

Right Wing Stupidity: I think this boils down to them living in the past, they often cling to principals and ideas that are no longer relevant. I admire much of their practical view of the world though.

Centrists are fense sitters, and a dog is for ever not just for .........

banquo

That is not what left- and right-wing mean.

OutlawPete

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

I think I need lessons on thread starting.

EDIT> GO ADVANCED> TITLE CHANGE TO:

Examples of Left Wing Stupidity vs Right Wing Stupidity?

Might save the day

Aldebaran

Adding a question to the original post could also see the thread saved.

fontanalis

The idea that all the worlds problems/ideals/soutions fall into just two categories. Now that is stupidity.
I wish everyone had one ideal; consistency.

cianl1

fontanalis wrote: »

The idea that all the worlds problems/ideals/soutions fall into just two categories. Now that is stupidity.

At last! The crux of the matter.

jackiebaron

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Left wing stupidity: I've noticed people on the left tend to live in a fantasy world and have this idea of how the world should be regardless of how impractical their ideas or principals are. They seem to think people should have way too many entitlement given the resources and practicalies in the real world. But they don't think about things like practicality, they seem to be more concerned with some imaginary utopia in their mind that is completely unrealistic. I find Michael Graham can point out the above very well. Although he is quite stupid on certain things too IMO.

Right Wing Stupidity: I think this boils down to them living in the past, they often cling to principals and ideas that are no longer relevant. I admire much of their practical view of the world though.

Left vs Right ??????

Sounds from your post like you are a right-wing nutjob who just wants to bait left wingers. There's nothing "versus" about your post given your rambling anti-left screed compared to your timid little right-wing critique.

Kasabian

The far left is very different to the left and the far right is very different from the right. The left is different to the right and the far left is different to the far right.

The center left and the center right are different to the left, far left , right and far right respectively.

Get it?

Snakeblood

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Left wing stupidity: I've noticed people on the left tend to live in a fantasy world and have this idea of how the world should be regardless of how impractical their ideas or principals are. They seem to think people should have way too many entitlement given the resources and practicalies in the real world. But they don't think about things like practicality, they seem to be more concerned with some imaginary utopia in their mind that is completely unrealistic. I find Michael Graham can point out the above very well. Although he is quite stupid on certain things too IMO.

Right Wing Stupidity: I think this boils down to them living in the past, they often cling to principals and ideas that are no longer relevant. I admire much of their practical view of the world though.

I'd see it more as

'Left Wing people want benefits for the less well off to bring them to a common standard, and realise there need to be taxes to pay for it'

'Right wing people don't want benefits for the less well off to raise people to a common standard, and don't want there to be taxes as a result'.

'People at large want the benefits but don't want to have to pay for it.'

cianl1

jackiebaron wrote: »

Left vs Right ??????

Sounds from your post like you are a right-wing nutjob who just wants to bait left wingers. There's nothing "versus" about your post given your rambling anti-left screed compared to your timid little right-wing critique.

I can't be the only one who thinks that the first reaction from the political-left to anything said against them is outrage and disbelief rather than reasoned debate.

The_Minister

banquo wrote: »

That is not what left- and right-wing mean.

Let's not do this again.

Some people will arrive utterly convined that left-wing = sugar and spice and all things nice while right-wing = slugs, snails and puppydog tails, whereas right-wing people will point out that both are massive spectrums and that both labels are meaningless without an Authoritarian-Libertarian axis as well.

And then we all get angry.

fontanalis

The_Minister wrote: »

Let's not do this again.

Some people will arrive utterly convined that left-wing = sugar and spice and all things nice while right-wing = slugs, snails and puppydog tails, whereas right-wing people will point out that both are massive spectrums and that both labels are meaningless without an Authoritarian-Libertarian axis as well.

And then we all get angry.

Don't mention Cuba!

Millicent

The_Minister wrote: »

Let's not do this again.

Some people will arrive utterly convined that left-wing = sugar and spice and all things nice while right-wing = slugs, snails and puppydog tails, whereas right-wing people will point out that both are massive spectrums and that both labels are meaningless without an Authoritarian-Libertarian axis as well.

And then we all get angry.

Didn't you just kind of do that by implying that left-wing people can't see things on a spectrum?! Sneaky!

meditraitor

cianl1 wrote: »

I can't be the only one who thinks that the first reaction from the political-left to anything said against them is outrage and disbelief rather than reasoned debate.

but if you are implying the left is reactionary and they are saying the right is confrontational those that not mean that both the left and the right are wrong?

fontanalis

Kasabian wrote: »

The far left is very different to the left and the far right is very different from the right. The left is different to the right and the far left is different to the far right.

The center left and the center right are different to the left, far left , right and far right respectively.

Get it?

So where do we pass the doochie?

Kasabian

fontanalis wrote: »

So where do we pass the doochie?

To the left obviously. Some things are traditional.

cianl1

meditraitor wrote: »

but if you are implying the left is reactionary and they are saying the right is confrontational those that not mean that both the left and the right are wrong?

That's exactly what I'm saying. As fontanalis pointed out, why the hell are all the worlds problems condensed into two view-points?

Johro

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

I think I need lessons on thread starting.

I think you need lessons on what constitutes left wing and right wing. Let's start here: Left wing good, Right wing bad.

The_Minister

Millicent wrote: »

Didn't you just kind of do that by implying that left-wing people can't see things on a spectrum?! Sneaky!

Like a FOX!!


Nah, but the left are (broadly speaking) much more likely to self-identify as left-wing compared to right-wingers who rarely self-identify as right-wingers.

If you don't believe me, look at Left-wing groups such as Labour, Sinn Fein or any of our many Socialist groups.

Or even just read Indymedia, where they continually discuss the 'values of the Left' and the like.


EDIT: Now that I think of it, the very idea of a left-right axis as being determinative is probably a left-wing idea; people on the right are far more likely to emphasise the importance of an Authoritarian-Libertarian axis...

meditraitor

The_Minister wrote: »

Like a FOX!!


Nah, but the left are (broadly speaking) much more likely to self-identify as left-wing compared to right-wingers who rarely self-identify as right-wingers.

If you don't believe me, look at Left-wing groups such as Labour, Sinn Fein or any of our many Socialist groups.

Or even just read Indymedia, where they continually discuss the 'values fo the Left' and the like.

This really only says that there is less individual shame in being a lefty!

The_Minister

meditraitor wrote: »

This really only says that there is less individual shame in being a lefty!

Or that the right is more diversified.

meditraitor

The_Minister wrote: »

Or that the right is more diversified.

Nope, its the shame.


Its like this, we all have the dark thought..... like standing waiting for a train and the thought of pushing the granny in front of you onto the tracks crosses your mind. You certainly dont tell the granny what you thought.

This is what its like to be right wing, there is no reason to tell your fellow human that you dont give a flying f about them unless they can offer you soemthing in return!

fontanalis

meditraitor wrote: »

Nope, its the shame.


Its like this, we all have the dark thought..... like standing waiting for a train and the thought of pushing the granny in front of you onto the tracks crosses your mind. You certainly dont tell the granny what you thought.

This is what its like to be right wing, there is no reason to tell your fellow human that you dont give a flying f about them unless they can offer you soemthing in return!

Ah come on. What about many people on the "lefts" constant support for Castro? If that's not dark I don't know what is.

Johro

cianl1 wrote: »

That's exactly what I'm saying. As fontanalis pointed out, why the hell are all the worlds problems condensed into two view-points?

They're not really. There's 'far left', 'centre left','right left left right!', oh and the 'loony left' who lean so far left they fall over into their own handwoven yoghurt. Same goes for the right. I would consider myself to be more to the left of the left, but not too much. Socialism was only made a dirty word by greedy capitalists.

cianl1

Johro wrote: »

They're not really. There's 'far left', 'centre left','right left left right!', oh and the 'loony left' who lean so far left they fall over into their own handwoven yoghurt. Same goes for the right. I would consider myself to be more to the left of the left, but not too much. Socialism was only made a dirty word by greedy capitalists.

I never said it was. I just can't stand people who align themselves with one line of thinking be left or right. The very need to label oneself as being this or that suggests to me they are either immature or haven't properly thought their position through and need to re-examine their convictions. Possibly both.

FreudianSlippers

Wait we talking about social left and right or economic left and right?

Pauleta

If the people before profit loons got their way we would be bankrupt in a matter of days.

Johro

Johro wrote: »

I think you need lessons on what constitutes left wing and right wing. Let's start here: Left wing good, Right wing bad.

Oops... Must add the smiley.:p

Kasabian

Pauleta wrote: »

If the people before profit loons got their way we would be bankrupt in a matter of days.

:rolleyes:

cianl1

Pauleta wrote: »

If the people before profit loons got their way we would be bankrupt in a matter of days.

Exactly. Just as we also need to ensure peoples civil liberties aren't compromised.

One hand washes the other.

Johro

Pauleta wrote: »

If the people before profit loons got their way we would be bankrupt in a matter of days.

As opposed to being bankrupt now.

FreudianSlippers

Johro wrote: »

As opposed to being bankrupt now.

Buy a dictionary. Look up bankrupt.

Johro

OisinT wrote: »

Wait we talking about social left and right or economic left and right?

Stop it you're confusing me. I may have to lie down for a bit...

Johro

OisinT wrote: »

Buy a dictionary. Look up bankrupt.

Fair enough, but it's close enough for me. Buy manners.

FreudianSlippers

Johro wrote: »

Fair enough, but it's close enough for me. Buy manners.

Did I hurt your feelings?

Johro

OisinT wrote: »

Did I hurt your feelings?

I feel so violated...

sensibleken

cianl1 wrote: »

That's exactly what I'm saying. As fontanalis pointed out, why the hell are all the worlds problems condensed into two view-points?

Thats true. Clearly there are 12 view points. my viewpont is pisces

liah

Right-wingers are stupid because they base a lot of their decisions on hatred and selfishness.

Left-wingers are stupid because they're idealistic and over-optimistic.

Both sides have their massive impracticalities and sensationalism. I just tend to be more worried about the right-wingers' massive impracticalities and sensationalism (fear/war/hatred mongering) than left-wingers' (political correctness/hyper-emotionalizing/over-accepting of bad behaviour).

Duggy747

I'm a middle winger :pac:

Lefties are too busy on campaigns of tolerence and PC not realising the hypocrisy they create by battling against the right-wingers "propaganda machine" and generally make life that little less bit fun day by day.

Righties are too conservative and afraid of moving forward in some instances. Unfortunatley they have a stong grip on society.

Both are dangerous groups with their own agendas, fighting over how our society should be run.

Johro

liah wrote: »

Right-wingers are stupid because they base a lot of their decisions on hatred and selfishness.

Left-wingers are stupid because they're idealistic and over-optimistic.

Both sides have their massive impracticalities and sensationalism. I just tend to be more worried about the right-wingers' massive impracticalities and sensationalism (fear/war/hatred mongering) than left-wingers' (political correctness/hyper-emotionalizing/over-accepting of bad behaviour).

Massive generalisations but some of that's true. Wouldn't the 'stupid' ones be on the far left or right?
I'd consider myself left wing* but can't stand this kind of stuff>>(political correctness/hyper-emotionalizing/over-accepting of bad behaviour)

*should probably say: opposed to right-wing.

Johro

sensibleken wrote: »

Thats true. Clearly there are 12 view points. my viewpont is pisces

Let's not go there:D

liah

Johro wrote: »

Massive generalisations but some of that's true. Wouldn't the 'stupid' ones be on the far left or right?
I'd consider myself left wing but can't stand this kind of stuff>>(political correctness/hyper-emotionalizing/over-accepting of bad behaviour)

Ah, of course they're generalizations, if they weren't I'd be on the topic all day. Of course it only really applies to the extreme in most places, but I pay quite a bit of attention to US politics and it's a pretty fair representation of the media's (and, frankly, a very large slice of the populaces') take on each side. Not that the media is anything to judge an individual's personal political views on, but again, this is just a generalization and doesn't really mean anything on an individual basis.

I don't really consider myself any wing, tbh, some of my viewpoints are based on both sides.

Johro

liah wrote: »

Ah, of course they're generalizations, if they weren't I'd be on the topic all day. Of course it only really applies to the extreme in most places, but I pay quite a bit of attention to US politics and it's a pretty fair representation of the media's (and, frankly, a very large slice of the populous') take on each side. Not that the media is anything to judge an individual's personal political views on, but again, this is just a generalization and doesn't really mean anything on an individual basis.

I don't really consider myself any wing, tbh, some of my viewpoints are based on both sides.

In that case, I totally agree. I suppose I don't really consider myself left wing as I stated earlier, it's just that for me, right wing ideologies are so anti-people, and disagreeable enough for me to want to put myself on the opposite side.

Johro

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Right Wing Stupidity: I think this boils down to them living in the past, they often cling to principals and ideas that are no longer relevant. I admire much of their practical view of the world though.

My problem with that is some of the right wing posts on AH such as the one saying we should stop sending food to starving people in an overpopulated world. 'Let them die' could be considered 'practical'. It even makes good economical sense. Doesn't make it right though.

FreudianSlippers

Johro wrote: »

My problem with that is some of the right wing posts on AH such as the one saying we should stop sending food to starving people in an overpopulated world. 'Let them die' could be considered 'practical'. It even makes good economical sense. Doesn't make it right though.

Actually many people believe that direct aid to third world countries is doing more harm than good.