New low, even for DoneDeal

EGAR

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/horses/1817576

Raffle of a horse..?

One needs a Gardai permit to hold a raffle (I highly doubt they've got one but if they do then the Super who issued it is a moron).

2 yro and *ridden and driven* wft???

Give me patience, Smithfield is bad enough without a raffle of a live animal

Shanao

Just saw this on Facebook, what the hell is wrong with people.

mikom

"TOP ENGLISH BREADING" though....

scudzilla

EGAR wrote: »

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/horses/1817576

Raffle of a horse..?

One needs a Gardai permit to hold a raffle (I highly doubt they've got one but if they do then the Super who issued it is a moron).

2 yro and *ridden and driven* wft???

Give me patience, Smithfield is bad enough without a raffle of a live animal

Where's the problem?? Animals and livestock are auctioned off a lot, where's the difference with a raffle??

Some people lately seem to just be going out of there way to look for ads that may offend

EGAR

Scudzilla, I will be nice tonight and spell it out for you:

- it's a live animal, it's colt, it frigging wrong!

- Dublin is a controlled area so licence applies, no mention of that

- raffles require a permit and the permit number or a copy of the permit must be given/shown with any publication of the even

- the colt is 2 yro old and driven and ridden? I and most other horsey people would not touch a horse for training until it is at least 2 1/2 years old.

Smithfield is the pits and should be closed permanently which the Dublin City Council is trying to do at present and more power to them!

scudzilla

EGAR wrote: »

Scudzilla, I will be nice tonight and spell it out for you:

- it's a live animal, it's colt, it frigging wrong!

- Dublin is a controlled area so licence applies, no mention of that

- raffles require a permit and the permit number or a copy of the permit must be given/shown with any publication of the even

- the colt is 2 yro old and driven and ridden? I and most other horsey people would not touch a horse for training until it is at least 2 1/2 years old.

Smithfield is the pits and should be closed permanently which the Dublin City Council is trying to do at present and more power to them!

So what about auctions of live animals?? Suppose you're against them too :rolleyes::rolleyes:

ppink

Auctions usually to highest price? this horse is anyones for €20.

most decent horse owners will ensure their animals are sold on to good homes and will keep track of them, God only knows where this chap will end up.
smithfield fair is a disgrace.

Cherry Blossom

scudzilla wrote: »

So what about auctions of live animals?? Suppose you're against them too :rolleyes::rolleyes:

I am not against the auctions of live animals, I do not frequent them because it is heart-breaking but I accept that this is how farmers work and their lively-hood depends on them. <ETA>At auctions the people who attend them in general will have at least some knowledge of the animal they are buying.

I'll try and put this in terms you can understand, A young horse's bones are still growing and developing, the bigger the horse the longer this will take. A person sitting on a horse that is not ready for this will have massive consequences. A horse that has no use has no value, it will end up dumped, abandoned, factoried or worse. This is akin to large breed dog which has been very badly bred (which this horse probably is) think puppy farmed etc. and is put though extremely strenuous exercise as a puppy, forced to run tied to the bumper of a car for two hours a day for example (which I have seen done! :rolleyes:). Imagine the condition that dog is going to be in? Now imagine that dog is raffled off, some one 'wins' it, this person has no knowledge whatsoever of dogs but they own a hamster so they go out a get a dog crate and the dog stays in there for the rest of its life being fed once every couple of days and brought out once a week so the person can clean the cage :mad:.

That is what this ad means to me! Horse's require an awful lot of specialised and expensive care, someones back garden certainly isn't a suitable place for one to live.

I have seen a miniature pony being raffled off at a local vintage fair, needless to say it was not carried through!

I hope this makes sence to you Scudzilla, I know it's an extreme comparison but it's the best way I can explain this to a non-horsey person.

Dilbert75

Have you all clicked on the Report Ad link?

DeVille

Thanks OP, just bought a few tickets. Cheers for the heads up

Cherry Blossom

DeVille wrote: »

Thanks OP, just bought a few tickets. Cheers for the heads up

Well now it's truly is a courageous person with great belief in their own opinions and morals that opens a new boards account for the purpose of posting that. What ever your morals you may have or be lacking in at least stand up for your own beliefs and accept the concequences whatever those are. . . whoever you are :rolleyes:

Discodog

DeVille wrote: »

Thanks OP, just bought a few tickets. Cheers for the heads up

As you love spending money for nothing I have lots of things that you can buy. If you want a horse simple park your horsebox at a fair, go for a walk & then open the box to find a free horse.

Or if you really want a good deal go to any field full of ponies & tell the owner that you will take one if he gives you €20.

DeVille

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

Well now it's truly is a courageous person with great belief in their own opinions and morals that opens a new boards account for the purpose of posting that. What ever your morals you may have or be lacking in at least stand up for your own beliefs and accept the concequences whatever those are. . . whoever you are :rolleyes:

Wow, chill the **** out adrenalinjunkie, I did NOT just sign up to post that. It just so happens, it was my first post. Where's your sense of humor ? It was pure tounge in cheek. You do not know me, please do not question my morals.

ISDW

DeVille wrote: »

Wow, chill the **** out adrenalinjunkie, I did NOT just sign up to post that. It just so happens, it was my first post. Where's your sense of humor ? It was pure tounge in cheek. You do not know me, please do not question my morals.

As you say, adrenalinjunkie doesn't know you, how are they supposed to know it was tongue in cheek? There was no indication of that at all, smilies are handy thing to use.

Cherry Blossom

DeVille wrote: »

Wow, chill the **** out adrenalinjunkie, I did NOT just sign up to post that. It just so happens, it was my first post. Where's your sense of humor ? It was pure tounge in cheek. You do not know me, please do not question my morals.

Well it was a very badly timed first post in that case, bit of a risk posting something so 'tongue in cheek' as a first post on a forum where there is no previous record of your opinions or morals?

I left my sence of humor at the place where I obtained my horse. She lived in a central heated garage with a concrete floor and no bedding and was brought out once a week for a walk. They stuffed her with oats and barley because she liked them and she was fat as a fool and highly wound up. Her feet were in such a state that she was unable to run and when work was done to improve her feet and fitness I discovered that she couldn't remember how to run anyway. She was still excited at the prospect of open spaces and all she could do to express it was buck and rear on the spot. The people who had her only had her for 3 months and when I collected her they cried for hours because they would miss her!

After months and months of work and getting more views of her from the ground than on my feet she got better little by little and even goes out hunting ocassionally now. Does this explain my response?

DeVille

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

Well it was a very badly timed first post in that case, bit of a risk posting something so 'tongue in cheek' as a first post on a forum where there is no previous record of your opinions or morals?

Well you could say that I suppose. Give me time. I have no need for a horse, perhaps my answer would have been better suited to AH, but it was simply the first thing that came to mind when I read the OP. I still think it was kinda funny.

DeVille

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

Does this explain my response?

Yes. Peace

Cherry Blossom

DeVille wrote: »

I still think it was kinda funny.

Well perhaps you could re-read my post as it is now edited and then see if you still think it's funny.

<Cross posted with your last reply there>

storm2811

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

I am not against the auctions of live animals, I do not frequent them because it is heart-breaking but I accept that this is how farmers work and their lively-hood depends on them. <ETA>At auctions the people who attend them in general will have at least some knowledge of the animal they are buying.

What?

Cherry Blossom

storm2811 wrote: »

What?

I went to horse auction once, it was full of ignoramouses and animals that were far from acceptable conditions, I do not agree with horse-auctions and I will never go to an auction again. Livestock auctions are different the animals are generally well cared for, they exist to conform to the tight food safety regulations and disease control. Would you care to elaborate on your post at all? Am I going to have to write a paragraph to explain every word I've written on this thread?

<ETA> Ok. I conceed that post is confusing as it was put together too quickly as I though some might report the other poster and they might not get the benefit of reading my reply.

cc4life

de horse is fine boss..pa rode it into town and back every day so it works... fiver and shes yours boss

Asphyxia

I just reported it!

That's cruel and disgusting :mad:

Zapperzy

There's a 15 month old colt on there as well thats just broke and doing 28mph in hobbles, I presume that means they are driving it? If so at such a young age.

Maybe Im imagining it but I thought they used to have a rule on there that you couldn't advertise horse as riden if they were under 3 years old or something like that? Just looked but I can't find anything about it? Maybe I dreamt it?

sligopark

Zapperzy wrote: »

There's a 15 month old colt on there as well thats just broke and doing 28mph in hobbles, I presume that means they are driving it? If so at such a young age.

Just frigging awful and the OP - what a sham - if karma is alive and well DoneDeal will slide into the toilet - soon.

Shanao

"We do not accept horse or pony ads where the horse or pony has been broken or ridden under the age of three. If ads are posted on DoneDeal.ie in breach of this policy we reserve the right to remove them from the Website without giving notice to the advertiser or refunding any fee paid."

Its there alright, if you go into legal, then other animals. Time to start reporting!!

storm2811

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

I went to horse auction once, it was full of ignoramouses and animals that were far from acceptable conditions, I do not agree with horse-auctions and I will never go to an auction again. Livestock auctions are different the animals are generally well cared for, they exist to conform to the tight food safety regulations and disease control. Would you care to elaborate on your post at all? Am I going to have to write a paragraph to explain every word I've written on this thread?

<ETA> Ok. I conceed that post is confusing as it was put together too quickly as I though some might report the other poster and they might not get the benefit of reading my reply.

Ah, I didn't know you were on about horse auctions, never been to one myself so couldn't really comment on it.
Never mind!

Cherry Blossom

To the OP - EGAR (and to ISDW) - what is your opinion on Done Deals new policy on adverts from rescues? I was very surprised to see at least one place actually take them up on it

http://help.donedeal.ie/info/rescue-centre-programme

(Completly off-topic post and appologies in advance for it!)

Lon.C

The horse looks to be in great shape,which is a credit to the current owner.
But I'd say the whole raffle thing is a scam anyway. So I wouldn't get too wound up about it.
I'd be more worried about the fools turning up to smithfield for the raffle and finding none or else the organisers cousin winning the horse.

toadfly

Shanao wrote: »

Its there alright, if you go into legal, then other animals. Time to start reporting!!

I did earlier, got a bit carried away complaining about their website in general.

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

To the OP - EGAR (and to ISDW) - what is your opinion on Done Deals new policy on adverts from rescues? I was very surprised to see at least one place actually take them up on it

What's their new policy AJ?
..never mind I just seen your link!

ISDW

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

To the OP - EGAR (and to ISDW) - what is your opinion on Done Deals new policy on adverts from rescues? I was very surprised to see at least one place actually take them up on it

http://help.donedeal.ie/info/rescue-centre-programme

(Completly off-topic post and appologies in advance for it!)

I actually don't have any issue with Done Deal, its a business for selling things, including dogs, but it sells lots of other things as well. There are other places to sell animals that don't have the rules that DD have. Its not the owners of that site that breed and sell the animals, they're the people that I have an issue with. If DD stopped taking ads for animals, it doesn't mean those animals wouldn't still be sold, they'd just be sold somewhere else.

It is a very successful site, so if rescues can use it to rehome animals, then fair enough.

Cherry Blossom

TillyGirl wrote: »

What's their new policy AJ?
..never mind I just seen your link!

Edited my post with the link there.

WalkingDude

she got better little by little and even goes out hunting ocassionally now.

Hunting? Do you go too? If that's the case, it seems a bit rich to question other people's morals .......

Cherry Blossom

WalkingDude wrote: »

Hunting? Do you go too? If that's the case, it seems a bit rich to question other people's morals .......

I go drag hunting, do you know much about it? :rolleyes:

WalkingDude

Fair 'nough

Discodog

Well Donedeal have been approached several times about implementing a Christmas Puppy Ban ie not advertising puppies during the month of December. Many publications in the UK now do this but Donedeal have refused. It would not be difficult to vet animal ads before publication. It's not as if there is any urgency. They could also easily use keyword software to alert them. I have never had the impression that their concern is more than skin deep.

Cherry Blossom

To those with an interest in the actual topic, I'm sorry that my posts seem to have become the central focus of this thread, so if anyone else has any questions on my morals, ethics or stance on any matter, or needs anything I have posted clarified or elaborated on please PM me and I will be happy to clarify these issues for you and hopefully this thread will get back on track.

User Friendly

Pocketfizz wrote: »

I just reported it!

That's cruel and disgusting :mad:

Shanao wrote: »

"We do not accept horse or pony ads where the horse or pony has been broken or ridden under the age of three. If ads are posted on DoneDeal.ie in breach of this policy we reserve the right to remove them from the Website without giving notice to the advertiser or refunding any fee paid."

Its there alright, if you go into legal, then other animals. Time to start reporting!!

Reporting Ads on dd is a waste of time. team donna will mail you thanking you blah blah but they wont do anything about it.

EGAR

I didn't have time to come back to thread until now and I fully agree with what adrenalinjunkie has written, and yes, I reported the ad before even opening the thread here or posting about it on FB.

Discodog

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

so if anyone else has any questions on my morals, ethics or stance on any matter, or needs anything I have posted clarified or elaborated on please PM me and I will be happy to clarify these issues for you and hopefully this thread will get back on track.

I'm fighting the temptation - especially with the morals

Discodog

User Friendly wrote: »

Reporting Ads on dd is a waste of time. team donna will mail you thanking you blah blah but they wont do anything about it.

That is my impression as well.

Zapperzy

sligopark wrote: »

Just frigging awful and the OP - what a sham - if karma is alive and well DoneDeal will slide into the toilet - soon.

In fairness it's not donedeal, it's who advertises there, from looking at other sites like gumtree and buy and sell they do seem to be a bit better and they (most of the time) remove or edit ads that are reported. So it's the bad breeders and seller who deserve the bad karma.

Shanao wrote: »

"We do not accept horse or pony ads where the horse or pony has been broken or ridden under the age of three. If ads are posted on DoneDeal.ie in breach of this policy we reserve the right to remove them from the Website without giving notice to the advertiser or refunding any fee paid."

Its there alright, if you go into legal, then other animals. Time to start reporting!!

Thank you, must have missed that, will report it now so.

Discodog wrote: »

Well Donedeal have been approached several times about implementing a Christmas Puppy Ban ie not advertising puppies during the month of December. Many publications in the UK now do this but Donedeal have refused. It would not be difficult to vet animal ads before publication. It's not as if there is any urgency. They could also easily use keyword software to alert them. I have never had the impression that their concern is more than skin deep.

As far as I know they do have a keyword software sort of thing. I noticed a hell of a lot less pups being advertised as christmas presents compared to last year, the ones I did notice were using some derivative of it such as pressy. There is a group on facebook about donedeal's animal section, I think they got a reply once about their software being improved to include more keywords to catch out people who advertise dogs for digging out foxes or badger baiting, so that they included terms like 'red' and 'b & w'.

A christmas ban on advertising pups would be a good idea I think, if you look now there's loads of 12 week old pups being sold on for 'genuine reasons' that would have been about 8 weeks old at christmas, lots of older dogs too that have no doubt been replaced by pups.

Zapperzy

User Friendly wrote: »

Reporting Ads on dd is a waste of time. team donna will mail you thanking you blah blah but they wont do anything about it.

Sometimes I feel like that but other times they are brilliant (maybe a better word would be best there but Im tired). Id estimate that Iv reported at least over a 100 ads in the dog section alone, if the ad is in clear violation of rules (like 'this pup would make the world's best christmas present') it is removed usually within 24 hours. If the ad is not quite breaking the rules but it's clear that the dog is being sold for the wrong reason or being kept in horrid conditions it usually takes a whole bunch of people to get on board and bombard them with reports (which I think is what happened recently with a boxer being sold pictured in horrid conditions and in pup :mad:) then they remove it. And if you find someone who is clearly a puppy farmer with multiple ads and breeds they usually remove and block the person.

Sometimes they do make you want to punch your monitor when you've reported something and they send you a reply that 'if you feel these dogs are being mistreated please ring the national cruelty helpline'. :mad:

Discodog

Why should we have to do their work for them ?.

Zapperzy

Discodog wrote: »

Why should we have to do their work for them ?.

Very true. I have often wondered that myself but I will continue to report ads until such a time as they start pre-screening to the point that noone will no longer need to report ads.

On a happier note did anyone see that ad for 2 dogs for €10,000,000, think it may have been a typo!

Cherry Blossom

Discodog wrote: »

I'm fighting the temptation - especially with the morals

Fire away, . . . unless . . .

maybe try a dating site if your looking for a suitable OH to argue with :p

Hellrazer

Ok Im responding here before I decide what to do with this thread as per our new procedure in dealing with reported posts.

This thread was going fine until Devilles first post.

However the regulars feeding trolls by responding to them is making things worse.

Why can people not just report the post and leave it at that.Get on with the discussion and a mod will deal with it.

ISDW

Discodog wrote: »

Why should we have to do their work for them ?.

You don't have to, don't report the ads, and just leave them there, I imagine people report the posts because they feel passionately about it, and would like to make a difference? Why report posts on here, why report concerns you have about animals to the ISPCA? There are no laws being broken by the adverts, so they don't have to do anything about it, but usually they do. Have you or any other posters ever reported an ad on gumtree or buy and sell, or that other one, oxl or whatever its called? Would love to know how they deal with complaints.

Is this not a bit like a school, if you have parents who care about their children's education, the school soon realise that, and if your child does anything wrong, they will get onto you. But usually the kids that are behaving the worst have parents who don't seem to care if they get a phone call or letter from the school, so the school soon stop, and just concentrate on the parents they know they have some impact on. Is Done Deal not like that? (was going to use DD, but then thought we might start getting confused with a regular poster:D) People complain about it, but its because if you report an ad, theres usually some sort of response.

Discodog

ISDW wrote: »

You don't have to, don't report the ads, and just leave them there,

I am not suggesting that people do not report them - I have reported ads & had quite a few discussions with them. Any publisher is responsible for content. Donedeal are a profit making business. It is a simple matter of how much of their profit they are willing to forgo to vet adverts & that depends on how important they view the issue.

As well as reporting the ads I would hope that people would express their displeasure to DD. Those that put profit ahead of animal welfare can only do so if they have a means to advertise their wares. If breaking a horse too early is cruel then facilitating it's sale is encouraging the cruelty.

ISDW

Discodog wrote: »

I am not suggesting that people do not report them - I have reported ads & had quite a few discussions with them. Any publisher is responsible for content. Donedeal are a profit making business. It is a simple matter of how much of their profit they are willing to forgo to vet adverts & that depends on how important they view the issue.

As well as reporting the ads I would hope that people would express their displeasure to DD. Those that put profit ahead of animal welfare can only do so if they have a means to advertise their wares. If breaking a horse too early is cruel then facilitating it's sale is encouraging the cruelty.

Have you ever reported ads to the other sites? Or to other publications?

toadfly

Reply from donedeal - ad removed.

Discodog

ISDW wrote: »

Have you ever reported ads to the other sites? Or to other publications?

Yes. When I was in the UK I arranged a meeting with the publisher of, what was then, the largest free ads paper & persuaded them to drop Christmas puppy ads. They used it as a PR opportunity & as a result many papers followed their lead. I also keep lobbying my local papers here but in reality I do not have time to scan loads of publications.

I will continue to lobby DD because they are the biggest & are in the best position to do something positive.