Krav Magna @ self-defence.ie

katy39

Krav Magna @ self-defence.ie Does any one know if this club is any good , its located in Bridgefoot street Dublin 8
thanks

lorsric

Hi
Don't know if you started with the krav maga, but check out - krav maga ireland - new courses - 2 day and 12 week courses coming up in Dublin.
I did krav maga with Patrick before, and can recommend him.

He promotes self defence element, and not the macho side of things -yes you can defend yourself, but it is not another activity for the adreneline junkie par sey.

Contact Patrick through his website - krav maga ireland, he's sound and he will help you get started.

Damo W

katy39 wrote: »

Krav Magna @ self-defence.ie Does any one know if this club is any good , its located in Bridgefoot street Dublin 8
thanks

Were they on TV3 recently?

lorsric

This quite possible - although I don't get to watch much TV during the daytime.

Next Course Dates
2 Day Course Dublin May 7/8
12 Week Course Dublin May 16

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]To book your place simply call Patrick on 087 2390398 or send a mail to [EMAIL="pcumiskey@KravMagaIreland.com%C2%A0"]pcumiskey@KravMagaIreland.com[/EMAIL]

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Got this email recently from Patrick (only reason I'm not doing it, is I do volunteer work on Mondays)


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arybvtcw0eolkf

Damo W wrote: »

Were they on TV3 recently?

Last night.

ziodro

You have to decide if you want to do krav maga for self-defence or for fitness.Don't attend any 2day courses or any other bull****.
If it is for self-defence and real fighting skills I would recomend Krav Maga Group.
In three or four months you can do a great progress with this guys.But you have to be ready for hard work.
Below link to their web
www.kravmagagroup.ie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dKR1UYLUBk&feature=feedwll

lorsric

I initially began by doing a 2 day course with Krav Maga Ireland, and afterwards, my confidence and certainty I could protect myself was set.

The first thing I learnt from Patrick at Krav Maga Ireland, was if you see a risk, or think something is going to happen, turn and run. He is straight talking, and instills a real sense of confidence in people participating in his courses.

While I agree that Krav Maga is both excellent for self defence and fitness, I think that saying 2 day courses are not good is silly. Tell that to someone who has done a 2 day course, and found the basics have saved them from a dangerous situation.

If you are looking to get fit and build stamina, krav maga is fantastic. The warm up alone is a challenge, but rather than feeling out of your depth, by the 3rd week, you are more capable, and keeping up with the pressups and sit ups.

I found that learning to get out of certain holds, and protect myself was great, and Patrick gives all of the students equal attention and time, so if you are finding you are slower to execute a move, he will work one to one, and ensure you get it.

No doubt other schools and groups that teach krav maga are good and have merit, but I would rather stick with Krav Maga Ireland and Patrick, as it has proven to be the best fitness/self defence course I have ever done.

arybvtcw0eolkf

lorsric wrote: »

While I agree that Krav Maga is both excellent for self defence and fitness, I think that saying 2 day courses are not good is silly. Tell that to someone who has done a 2 day course, and found the basics have saved them from a dangerous situation.

Whats the basics, like telling someone to run away from a dangerous situation?.

How much (€€€) does that two day course cost?.

cowzerp

lorsric wrote: »

I initially began by doing a 2 day course with Krav Maga Ireland, and afterwards, my confidence and certainty I could protect myself was set. .

sounds like your new found confidense could get you in trouble cause after 2 day you know zero and will get beat down!

lorsric wrote: »

While I agree that Krav Maga is both excellent for self defence and fitness, I think that saying 2 day courses are not good is silly. Tell that to someone who has done a 2 day course, and found the basics have saved them from a dangerous situation.

If someone gets into a scrap after 2 days and been saved by anything it's more than likely it was there in the 1st place.

on top of that who ever said they where saved after doing a 2 day course, bar the instructors!

Alessandra Round Gourd wrote: »

Whats the basics, like telling someone to run away from a dangerous situation?.

How much (€€€) does that two day course cost?.

Good questions, Krav maga is all about $£ and euro's!

lorsric

I never said that I only did the 2 day course, if you noted my previous comments.

Obviously that's not the very first thing you learn, but in fairness, as a 5'4" female, if I was to have anyone come near me, I would be an idiot to stick around.

The cynicism is quite unbelievable. Not everything has to be that way. I think most of the people who do the 2 day courses, gain something, and to diminish that is sad. Many of the people I know, started with a 2 day , then did the 12 week courses, and kept doing them.

Getting beat down and into fights is not something a person seeks out, but after doing the course, you gain confidence to hold yourself in a more certain way.

Not everything in life is about money, and as someone who is not working at present and has been on limited income over the years (was a student when doing KM), I think in life you choose how to spend your money. Is it better to go out clubbing 1-2 times a week, spending on average €50-€70 a night, or to do something that improves your overall health and frame of mind.

Also, you pay for what you get, so price should not be the determining factor for everything.

arybvtcw0eolkf

So how much does the two day course cost?.

I'm only asking so don't get all defensive about it.

There is nothing on the Krav Maga, Ireland website about costs.

Also, whats covered in the two day basics?.

lorsric

Ha, that's funny use of words.

I don't know how much, go onto kravmagaireland website and email Patrick for most upto date prices.

Also, the curriculum for the courses is best to contact him too. I wouldn't want to give any information that was inaccurate. And lord help me if I gave the wrong name for a move :-)

arybvtcw0eolkf

lorsric wrote: »

I don't know how much, go onto kravmagaireland website and email Patrick for most upto date prices.

You must have an idea how much you spent on the two day course.

lorsric wrote: »

Also, the curriculum for the courses is best to contact him too.

Since your the one who recommended this group I don't think its unreasonable to ask you some questions & expect an answer.

lorsric wrote: »

I wouldn't want to give any information that was inaccurate. And lord help me if I gave the wrong name for a move :-)

We don't get anal about terminology here, what I'd call 'Ouchi Gari' someone else would call a 'Judo trip'.

cowzerp

you surely know how much you payed for the 2 day courses, an estimate would be cool even..

dermotg1

Hi Lorsric, Sounds to me like your promoting his business for him... Has he promised to make you into a instructor too??

lorsric

I guess it was about €120 or so for the 2 day, but couldn't be sure, was a while ago.

As for cost, I don't pay attention to how much I spend on things I enjoy, if I want to do something, I simply do it, so am probably worst person to ask about costs :-)

The two day course, learn to block, hit, gouge out eyes, sweeps, stand properly to hold positions, and other things, if I could remember, I'd have photographic memory.

lorsric

dermotg1 wrote: »

Hi Lorsric, Sounds to me like your promoting his business for him... Has he promised to make you into a instructor too??

My God, you couldn't be further from the truth. If you knew me, you'd know that when I find someone or something that works, my praise comes without a price.

Also, to become an instructor, as anyone is aware, you have to do the grafting and get there on your own merit.

For example - I could tell you how absolutely amazing Paul Burke in the Gaeity School of Acting is at Stage Combat. One of the most entertaining and precise tutors.

I am not driven by money, so simply share my opinions.

arybvtcw0eolkf

dermotg1 wrote: »

Hi Lorsric, Sounds to me like your promoting his business for him... Has he promised to make you into a instructor too??

Why, is it a promise he made you?.

arybvtcw0eolkf

lorsric wrote: »

I guess it was about €120 or so for the 2 day, but couldn't be sure, was a while ago.

€120 for two days of anyone's time isn't too much to ask.

mikemac

Just to answer the question about cost.

From a marketing email last month, I'm on the mailing list

Yes, like many gyms or courses, the cost was never 395, there is always an offer. Nobody falls for this but many still use it for marketing

Our full course fee is normally 395 but when you book now, the course fee is just 195 and you get

- Core Krav Maga Self Defence Course

- 12 Free fitness classes (with 12 week course)

- Online access to 24 videos of the training course

- 'Science and Psychology of Self Defence' Guide

You can do the classes over 12 weeks or package them into two days if you wish. Same cost

lorsric

Alessandra Round Gourd wrote: »

Why, is it a promise he made you?.

My God, there's that cynicism again. Patrick as a person has far too much integrity to try ploys like that.

If other places do that, that's their problem.

As for the cost, as I mentioned, I was gauging on memory, and given the number of courses in different things i have done, dont remember exact figures.

As I said before, you want to know the details, contact kravmagaireland directly for any information, get it straight from them.

arybvtcw0eolkf

lorsric wrote: »

My God, there's that cynicism again. Patrick as a person has far too much integrity to try ploys like that.

If other places do that, that's their problem.

As for the cost, as I mentioned, I was gauging on memory, and given the number of courses in different things i have done, dont remember exact figures.

As I said before, you want to know the details, contact kravmagaireland directly for any information, get it straight from them.

Stop being so damned defensive and thin skinned in this forum - Thats the reserve of the BJJ guys :P

But seriously - drop the attitude.

HammerHeadGym

Back when I taught self defence, there was an in depth diatribe about situational awareness, spotting danger signs, identifying likely ambush sites how to tell when a person is preparing an attack, verbal disarms etc. We used to call it 'the speech'. I haven't heard anything better in any of the Krav Maga I studied, read or watched.
The speech, cost 7 bucks and took about 20 minutes. And to be honest, if self preservation is a priority, you're unlikely to forget any of it as it's all simple stuff, no machismo or mysticism.

As regards techniques, no matter how good a technique is or looks, the only way that its ever going to work in a real situation, is continual training. Even if you mastered it, you're ability to use will diminish over time, without practise.

I'm not saying Krav Maga is a money making racket that preys on the fears of people who unfortunately just don't know any better, and is less effective than regular training in any combat sport, (or am I?) but I would defeinitely say it is downright dangerous to be realising someone onto the street after a weekend, letting them think they can look after themselves.

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Gumbi

HammerHeadGym wrote: »

Back when I taught self defence, there was an in depth diatribe about situational awareness, spotting danger signs, identifying likely ambush sites how to tell when a person is preparing an attack, verbal disarms etc. We used to call it 'the speech'. I haven't heard anything better in any of the Krav Maga I studied, read or watched.
The speech, cost 7 bucks and took about 20 minutes. And to be honest, if self preservation is a priority, you're unlikely to forget any of it as it's all simple stuff, no machismo or mysticism.

As regards techniques, no matter how good a technique is or looks, the only way that its ever going to work in a real situation, is continual training. Even if you mastered it, you're ability to use will diminish over time, without practise.

I'm not saying Krav Maga is a money making racket that preys on the fears of people who unfortunately just don't know any better, and is less effective than regular training in any combat sport, (or am I?) but I would defeinitely say it is downright dangerous to be realising someone onto the street after a weekend, letting them think they can look after themselves.

Well said. After 6 years of a self defense based ju jitsu system, I wouldn't be "at ease" (for lack of better words) in a street situation. And I fight people who are bigger than me all the time, full-contact.

lorsric

Alessandra Round Gourd wrote: »

Stop being so damned defensive and thin skinned in this forum - Thats the reserve of the BJJ guys :P

But seriously - drop the attitude.

I don't have an attitude at all , simply saying things as I see them, and no idea what a BBJ guy is, so kind of a pointless comment to make.

I imagine some of the posters on here are KM trainers, and don't like that I am being kind about someone else's business, which is a bit silly really.

Doug Cartel

lorsric wrote: »

I imagine some of the posters on here are KM trainers, and don't like that I am being kind about someone else's business, which is a bit silly really.

Are you suggesting some kind of shadyness here?

Naos

lorsric wrote: »

The two day course, learn to block, hit, gouge out eyes, sweeps, stand properly to hold positions, and other things, if I could remember, I'd have photographic memory.

Lorsric, have you ever tried any other Martial Arts / Self Defense? I can understand why you would be getting defensive if people are stating that what you have learnt is not of that much value to you.

Doing a 2 day course is going to help, but only for a few days. Then you will forget the techniques just as you posted above.

I went through at least 6 different techniques in BJJ (Brazillian JiuJitsu) on Thursday night and I could only recall 2 of them now, because I wrote them down and practised them again on Friday.

Honestly, its quite dangerous for people to attend a two day course and then think that after 2 weeks (I'm being very, very generous here) they will be able to summon up these techniques in a real life fight situation.

Alessandra Round Gourd wrote: »

€120 for two days of anyone's time isn't too much to ask.

Depends on what experience they have and what you expect to get from it.

I'd much rather spend an extra 10e and get a days training with the Nogueira Brothers, proven fighters & competitiors.

dermotg1

It is starting too look like that,,,, A lot of people on here promoting Patrick Cumiskey and his business,,, Touching very close to the rules of Boards.ie..
How many of you so called instructors actually get paid ? or are you all like Lorsric and do volunteer work ? (its been like that for years unqualified instructors teaching classes)

Doug Cartel

People saying that a two day course is too short doesn't mean they are endorsing another krav maga group.

lorsric

I have NEVER trained anyone in KM, and have only ever been a participant and taken part in courses, which I have paid for in full.

I have done kickboxing, karate, fencing, zumba and kettlebell training over the years, and while I think KM is fantastic, if I was to find someone offering free classes in any discipline, of course I would attend.

As for advertising anyone's business, praising and giving compliments to someone, is not the same as telling people to use them and only them. People are free to do what they want, train with whoever they want, and if anyone is influenced by my comments, that's up to them.

Also, when you do any course for long enough, you develop a commradare with the other people, including the teachers. How many people hated a subject in school because the teacher wasn't nice? It is the same with anything, if the person teaching you isnt good, you won't find as much to like about it.

I imagine a logical person will realise that 2 days of learning anything is not going to make them a professional, but it will give them a good idication whether they want to continue to do an activity or not. I actually think it is a better idea to do a short course, rather than spend a load of money upfront for a longer course, and maybe drop out mid way.

I didn't realise naming an instructor was forbidden, as I have seen various threads where people have named people. Is it not allowed? Am fairly new to Boards, so maybe it is.