UFC: Fight for the Troops 2

Oh_Noes

Main card

• Lightweight bout: Evan Dunham vs. Melvin Guillard[1]
• Heavyweight bout: Matt Mitrione vs. Tim Hague[1]
• Featherweight bout: Mark Hominick vs. George Roop[1]
• Heavyweight bout: Pat Barry vs. Joey Beltran[1]
• Lightweight bout: Cole Miller vs. Matt Wiman[1]

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• Lightweight bout: Cody McKenzie vs. Yves Edwards[1]
• Welterweight bout: DaMarques Johnson vs. Mike Guymon[1]
• Featherweight bout: Mike Brown vs. Rani Yahya[1]
• Lightweight bout: Waylon Lowe vs. Willamy Freire[1]
• Welterweight bout: Charlie Brenneman vs. Amilcar Alves[1]
• Bantamweight bout: Will Campuzano vs. Chris Cariaso[1]

There's a lot of familiar names on this card but I don't see any of the fights having any real consequences other than the Guillard/Dunham fight which I expect Dunham to take.

The fight I'm looking forward to most is Cole Miller/Matt Wiman, Wiman is a scrapper and Miller has come on a lot over his last few fights.

It's disappointing to see Mike Brown on their preliminary card as he was one of their top dogs not very long ago and is enjoyable to watch.

Other than that, I think the two heavyweight bouts are terrible and a real illustration of the weakness of the heavyweight roster in the UFC. Also I haven't seen three of the fighters from the undercard before so let's hope for the emergence of an exciting prospect.

Anyone looking forward to this?

Torakx

I will be looking forward to Cody McKenzie's fight.
Curious to see if it ends with a guillotine in the first or second round

Although if my memory serves right he is up against a good striker too.

rivalius13

I love Meathead, so looking forward to his fight.

MrStuffins

The main event is gonna be a cracker IMO. I never liked Guillard but he seems a new man since he joined Jackson's camp and he's a ery exciting guy.

Dunham is exciting too and will be a future contender! Should be a good one.

And I agree with the sentiments on Mike Brown. But didnt he jump in here and replace an injured fighter? he's desperate to show he's worth a UFC contract!

Tones69

Eh the fact that if Mark hominick beats Roop he gets a title shot at Jose aldo at UFC 129 Toronto which im attending so hell yeah i hope he wins!

Dunham i hope destroys melvin, also wanna see meathead and pat barry do well, and cole miller too, win over wiman will see him with top top competition next

MrStuffins

Tones69 wrote: »

Eh the fact that if Mark hominick beats Roop he gets a title shot at Jose aldo at UFC 129 Toronto which im attending so hell yeah i hope he wins!

Dunham i hope destroys melvin, also wanna see meathead and pat barry do well, and cole miller too, win over wiman will see him with top top competition next

I like Cole and he seems to look better every time he steps in.

If he beats Wiman next week and Donald Cerrone beats Paul kelly in a couple of weeks, i can see the UFC putting together a grudge match between the 2. The Cowboy has been talkin some smack about Cole and says he wants to fight him next.

That would be a storming fight!

ScareGilly

MrStuffins wrote: »

The main event is gonna be a cracker IMO. I never liked Guillard but he seems a new man since he joined Jackson's camp and he was a very exciting guy, but now he's joined Jackson's he's been castrated and has no balls.

FYP :rolleyes:

MrStuffins

Er...... he's been winning! And he's been doing a good enough job that they're putting him in a Main event.

And what you'd call "balls" others might call recklessness! Remember the Nate Diaz fight? That's where balls gets you, chocked unconcious!

He's always had the tools, what he's needed is a strategist to show him how to use those tools effectively and to win fights. How is that a bad thing? I have a feeling you're jumping on the "Dana thinks Jackson's fighters are boring" bandwagon here!

Kent Brockman

MrStuffins wrote: »

The main event is gonna be a cracker IMO. I never liked Guillard but he seems a new man since he joined Jackson's camp and he's a ery exciting guy.

+1
Never liked him myself but he does seem to have turned a corner and I was impressed with him recently (God I'm so fickle)

ScareGilly

MrStuffins wrote: »

Er...... he's been winning! And he's been doing a good enough job that they're putting him in a Main event.

And what you'd call "balls" others might call recklessness! Remember the Nate Diaz fight? That's where balls gets you, chocked unconcious!

He's always had the tools, what he's needed is a strategist to show him how to use those tools effectively and to win fights. How is that a bad thing? I have a feeling you're jumping on the "Dana thinks Jackson's fighters are boring" bandwagon here!

Anybody that wins gets put on a main event, doesn't matter if it's exciting or not. And he wasn't even meant to be the main event.

Yeah, he's a decent fighter, but I don't want to see another Guida, used to be an exciting fighter, now just wins boring fights. And I've been on the "Jackson's fighters are boring" bandwagon for years

Tones69

ScareGilly wrote: »

Anybody that wins gets put on a main event, doesn't matter if it's exciting or not. And he wasn't even meant to be the main event.

Yeah, he's a decent fighter, but I don't want to see another Guida, used to be an exciting fighter, now just wins boring fights. And I've been on the "Jackson's fighters are boring" bandwagon for years

Guida is still an exciting fighter, dunno how ya could call him boring. Worked his gameplan to a T against Gomi

Fozzy

Tones69 wrote: »

Guida is still an exciting fighter, dunno how ya could call him boring. Worked his gameplan to a T against Gomi

The fans booing during his last fight thought he was boring. For part of the fight at least

Fitch works his gameplan perfectly every time, but he's still a boring fighter

MrStuffins

Fozzy wrote: »

The fans booing during his last fight thought he was boring. For part of the fight at least

Yeah, because the type of fans who boo at MMA events are the ones you should be listening to...................

Fozzy

MrStuffins wrote: »

Yeah, because the type of fans who boo at MMA events are the ones you should be listening to...................

They're the type of fans who are paying money to see the show

MrStuffins

Fozzy wrote: »

They're the type of fans who are paying money to see the show

My 5 year old brother once bought and paid for a copy of Ullyses by James Joyce, it doesnt mean i ask him for advice on literature!

Oh_Noes

MrStuffins wrote: »

My 5 year old brother once bought and paid for a copy of Ullyses by James Joyce, it doesnt mean i ask him for advice on literature!

Why did your 5 your old brother buy a copy of Ulysses? Tbh he sounds like a protege and you probably should ask him for advice on literature

MrStuffins

Oh_Noes wrote: »

Why did your 5 your old brother buy a copy of Ulysses? Tbh he sounds like a protege and you probably should ask him for advice on literature

Well, he heard off his friends that it was gonna be a thrill a minute rollercoaster, but when he was reading what was actually well crafted literature, he found some of the slower paced parts "boring" and he was too ignorant to appreciate it, so he just kept shouting BOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Fozzy

If there was an arena with a sizable portion of 5 year olds booing the book then your point would have some merit

I'm not saying that Guida is boring, he's one of my very favourite fighters and I enjoyed his last fight very much. But it was asked how anyone can find him boring and I was pointing out that it's true that there were a lot of paying customers who found him boring recently, at least for a while

MrStuffins

Fozzy wrote: »

If there was an arena with a sizable portion of 5 year olds booing the book then your point would have some merit

I'm not saying that Guida is boring, he's one of my very favourite fighters and I enjoyed his last fight very much. But it was asked how anyone can find him boring and I was pointing out that it's true that there were a lot of paying customers who found him boring recently, at least for a while

But paying customers thinking he's boring does not equal him being boring!

How many times have you seen a great ground battle and some of these "paying customers" start booing? he realisy is, a lot of these paying customers are drunk rednecks who wanna see Tank Abbott fight a bear wearing one boxing glove!

Naturally the bear's name is Art

Oh_Noes

MrStuffins wrote: »

Well, he heard off his friends that it was gonna be a thrill a minute rollercoaster, but when he was reading what was actually well crafted literature, he found some of the slower paced parts "boring" and he was too ignorant to appreciate it, so he just kept shouting BOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Christ, I could barely read Anne and Barry when I was 5, nevermind critically review it.

Anyways there's a difference between an interesting grappling exchange and a wrestler holding someone down for 15 minutes. I don't think it all comes down to just being from Jackson's camp.

I remember Jon Jones got Matt Hamill on the ground and it was far from boring.

El Guapo!

Lads is this gonna be shown on ESPN?

ScareGilly

Tones69 wrote: »

Guida is still an exciting fighter, dunno how ya could call him boring. Worked his gameplan to a T against Gomi

He worked his gameplan perfectly, it worked for him, but all that gameplan seemed to be was jumping around the Octagon, hardly exciting?

MrStuffins wrote: »

Yeah, because the type of fans who boo at MMA events are the ones you should be listening to...................

They're the ones that pay the money

I'm all for wrestling, at least if it goes to the ground the other fighter can do something. Whereas if you're not a good wrestler, that involves one or two punches, run away for a minute or two, another jab or two, and keep running hoping to outpoint him. That's not exciting to watch, it's more like watching a game of chase..

the_doctor199

Dean09 wrote: »

Lads is this gonna be shown on ESPN?

Yup - 2am-5am.

Update: Prelims will now be shown live on Facebook. Yes, facebook. You can view them on the official UFC page. I assume GMT they're being shown from 1-2am.

Luke1

Does anyone of you know of any public place to catch the event live? I'll be arriving in Dublin saturday afternoon and would love to see the fights. I guess all pubs are closed during that time, any sports bar that are open late?

If it won't be available at all, perhaps it would be possible to watch it somewhere on sunday evening?

Mellor

The casinos will be open, other than that I can't think of a place quiet enough to watch.

I had a look at the odds available, Guillard is a huge underdog


Main card accu-bet


Lightweight bout: Evan Dunham vs. Melvin Guillard[1]
Heavyweight bout: Matt Mitrione vs. Tim Hague[1]
Featherweight bout: Mark Hominick vs. George Roop[1]
Heavyweight bout: Pat Barry vs. Joey Beltran[1]
Lightweight bout: Cole Miller vs. Matt Wiman[1]

Luke1

Alright, thanks for the tip.

I've also put down a single bet on Guillard, I was very surprised to see him as such a huge underdog. I'm thinking of putting down some on Pat Barry aswell. Perhaps a small parlay on Guillard, Barry, Miller and Hague. In my opinion Mitrione *should* win this fight, although I believe the odds are too much in favour for Mitrione. If it goes the distance I wouldn't be surprised if Hague pulls of a split decision.

MrStuffins

Luke1 wrote: »

Alright, thanks for the tip.

I've also put down a single bet on Guillard, I was very surprised to see him as such a huge underdog. I'm thinking of putting down some on Pat Barry aswell. Perhaps a small parlay on Guillard, Barry, Miller and Hague. In my opinion Mitrione *should* win this fight, although I believe the odds are too much in favour for Mitrione. If it goes the distance I wouldn't be surprised if Hague pulls of a split decision.

I really doubt it's going to decision. They're 2 VERY heavy hitters!

MrStuffins

MrStuffins wrote: »

I really doubt it's going to decision. They're 2 VERY heavy hitters!

No decision here :pac:. And Hague has a suspect chin. I like Mitrione, seems to come on leaps and bounds every fight, getting impressive.

That_Guy

Weigh in's about to start on the Facebook page if anyone's interested.

http://www.facebook.com/UFC?v=app_4949752878

mailburner

i've backed guillard at 15/8
think it's just too big of a price.
There won't be much between these two and
if guillard can go the distance i think he can
eek out a decision

also done a treble on
hominick
mitrione
barry
spotted yves edwards after i'd done the bet
looks a cert also
mc kenzie will have this fight and one more and
he'll probably be dropped after that unless he's
improved a tonne since tuf and can maybe take a punch

rivalius13

the_doctor199

We're now getting 4 prelims, starting at midnight

Oh_Noes

the_doctor199 wrote: »

We're now getting 4 prelims, starting at midnight

Where are they being shown?

Oh_Noes

Oh_Noes wrote: »

Where are they being shown?

Facebook.

That_Guy

4 prelims = Awesome. :D

Oh_Noes

Deleted User wrote: »

Facebook.

UFC's fac+ebook page.

mailburner

this is the longest i've ever spent on facebook

That_Guy

Anyone having trouble accessing the Facebook page? Really slow and timing out a lot.

EDIT: Working now. Weird watching this on Facebook tbh.

mailburner

That_Guy wrote: »

Anyone having trouble accessing the Facebook page? Really slow and timing out a lot.

fine for me and my speeds are 1mb both ways
video quality is crap mind you

Jayo_M

Haven't had an issue with it at all, no lag or stalling (besides in the fight maybe ) whatsoever.

That_Guy

It's working now alright. Quality is sh*t. The last time they had pre-lims via the internet, I found the quality from the actual UFC website to be a lot better.

The sooner the main broadcast starts the better.

riffmongous

Quality is crap but its a very consistent stream which is good enough for me

Jayo_M

I'm used to this quality these days due to a lack of ESPN. Have to stream any soccer or MMA I want to watch. Not ideal

That_Guy

New graphics I see.

That_Guy

That was slightly poor from Brown tbh.

That_Guy

Ouch. Rib sticking out and all.

Hail 2 Da Thief

That_Guy wrote: »

That was slightly poor from Brown tbh.

Yeah he didn't perform very well. He's also lost 4 of his last 6 fights so he'll be under pressure to start performing now or he could get cut! Things have being going downhill for him since the loss to Aldo.

When is McKenzie-Edwards starting? Enjoying this so far.

That_Guy

Hail 2 Da Thief wrote: »

Yeah he didn't perform very well. He's also lost 4 of his last 6 fights so he'll be under pressure to start performing now or he could get cut! Things have being going downhill for him since the loss to Aldo.

Aye. Still gotta give credit to Yahya though. An absolute handful. Brown's punches became quite laboured in the end. Looked wrecked.

Would hope that he won't be cut in the hope that he can regain some of his old form.

Hail 2 Da Thief

McKenzie via guillotine again?