The "efficiency" of the swine flu vaccine

Dave!

goat2 wrote: »

my understanding was, if we take the vaccine or jab against the swine flu, we would not get swine flu, can people explain how the person who got the jab die of swine flu, i am not well up on these things, i did not and i was not offered the jab

It doesn't guarantee immunity, but it certainly improves your chances. It reduces your likelihood of contracting H1N1 by 70-80%, and if you do end up contracting it anyway, your symptoms will probably be less severe.

Most people who die from the flu do so because of existing illnesses which are aggravated by the flu, or because their immune system is already compromised because of their illnesses. This patient had emphysema and lung cancer.

BTW OP, did you even read your link?

Vitamin D, which plays a key role in healthy bone development, may also decrease the risk of dying from H1N1 swine flu, a study finds.

The vitamin appeared to especially benefit people in high risk groups, including people who are obese. Obesity increases the risk of dying from viral diseases. Last year's H1N1 pandemic was especially deadly for pregnant women and people who were obese, according to health officials.

But a report, which will be published in the February 1 issue of Clinical Infectious Diseases found that vitamin D can help cut mortality rates.

The study, conducted by Janice Louie of the California Department of Public Health in Richmond, Calif., looked at 500 obese patients with a body mass index of 40 or more. It was found that these patients were three times more likely to die from viruses, like the flu, than people with a healthy BMI.

Dr. Rebecca S. Boxer, a geriatrician at University Hospitals Case Medical Center, says that vitamin D is important to the health of the immune system on a cellular level.

"Vitamin D also has a relationship to inflammation and obese patients may already have a degree of inflammation," she told AOL Health. "One way to understand this is that the volume of distribution of vitamin D might be greater for obese people. Vitamin D is fat-soluble. So the bigger you are, the more you need for it to show up at adequate levels in your blood. It spreads throughout the fat tissue and less of it is in your blood. So it can be difficult to find obese patients with enough vitamin D because it's sinking into their fat tissue."

Boxer says that there has been a lot of interest in vitamin D in relation to general health and well-being but that studies have not yet shown a direct cause and effect when it comes to the swine flu. "People are getting bigger, which can contribute to lower vitamin D levels. Also people do not get enough sun exposure," she said.

Eating foods high in vitamin D, such as fatty fish, including wild salmon, is a good way to maintain healthy levels of this vitamin, Boxer said.

"Everyone should be getting their levels checked," said. "If anything, we know that it can help keep bones healthy. We can't say that it will prevent the swine flu, but it's important to make sure you're getting enough."

So it sounds more like having a vitamin D deficiency (at least, present in your blood) makes you more vulnerable to viruses. It doesn't necessarily follow that those with normal levels will have added protection by taking extra vitamin D.

tightropetom

whiteonion wrote: »

A woman died from swine flu AFTER getting the jab.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1347171/Swine-flu-Merseyside-Grandmother-Eleanor-Carruthers-dies-AFTER-jab.html

What's the point in taking the vaccine if people fall ill any way?

The flu jab doesn't stop you getting the flu, it reduces the duration and for most people reduces the severity - ie will prevent the majority of patients from ending up with severe pneumonia or ending up on a ventilator. Therefore it means you might actually survive the swine flu - however there are NO 100%'s in medicine. The facts are that if people hadn't been receiving the vaccines, 100s or thousands of people might be dead by now.

If, however your underlying state of health is poor to begin with, even a milder flu could still kill you. Mrs Carruthers was seriously ill with emphysema and lung cancer, therefore even a normal chest infection was likely to severely impair her lung capacity.

tightropetom

goat2 wrote: »

my understanding was, if we take the vaccine or jab against the swine flu, we would not get swine flu, can people explain how the person who got the jab die of swine flu, i am not well up on these things, i did not and i was not offered the jab

See my previous post - it doesn't stop you getting the flu, but it reduces the chance of you getting a severe pneumonia from it, something which might kill you. It shortens the duration and severity of the flu by boosting your immune system's recognition of the virus so that it starts fighting it earlier.

steo87

From Merseyside eh?

<clears throat>.....ELAAAAAAANOOOOR CAAAAAAAAH-ROOOO-THAAAAAAAS

steo87

tightropetom wrote: »

See my previous post - it doesn't stop you getting the flu, but it reduces the chance of you getting a severe pneumonia from it, something which might kill you. It shortens the duration and severity of the flu by boosting your immune system's recognition of the virus so that it starts fighting it earlier.

I bet you googled that info? In order to sound smart? ....I'd know, I've done it...

tightropetom

steo87 wrote: »

I bet you googled that info? In order to sound smart? ....I'd know, I've done it...

No, actually. I know it from my job as a healthcare professional. Did you post that just to look smart by putting another person down? I wouldn't know. I've never done it.

Dave!

haw haw

steo87

tightropetom wrote: »

No, actually. I know it from my job as a healthcare professional. Did you post that just to look smart by putting another person down? I wouldn't know. I've never done it.

You're good....very good...a bit too good for Boards.

Lux23

I had the flu once when I was 7, I remember doing my homework on the coffee table and fainting half way through it. I woke up a day and a half later, still felt crap but I recovered. I am a very healthy and robust person so I have never felt that ill since (touch wood), but if I could get the vaccine I would.

My Mum has it at the moment but Im worried sick about my Dad catching it as his kidneys are failing and a flu could kill him. Yet he wasn't forced to get the jab.

goat2

what foods contain vitamin D, and would it help to start taking more of it now, i do take vitamin c everyday, as a person in my family has this swine flu and are finding it hard to shake off.

anndub

whiteonion wrote: »

No efficiency. The vaccine isn't very efficient if people get swine flu. Looks like this vaccine is not working properly.:mad:

Anyways I never took it, I refuse to use vaccines, antibiotics, painkillers etc etc.

lol:D

Phill Ewinn

After last years debacle with Baxters swine flu vaccine, I won't be bothering. Interesting to see the difference in most every public place this year. Hardly a sign of hand sanitisers anywhere!

I wonder how many people will die as an indirect result of this irresponsible piece of "journalism".

Writing a long piece based on anecdotal evidence of one patient with very serious pre-existing medical conditions (which were probably going to kill her on their own), and using it as some sort of smear on the efficacy of the swine flu vaccine is bound to deter some of its readers from getting vaccinated.

The Daily Mail is a complete and utter rag. I feel nothing but contempt for its editors and pity for its readers.

whiteonion

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder how many people will die as an indirect result of this irresponsible piece of "journalism".

Writing a long piece based on anecdotal evidence of one patient with very serious pre-existing medical conditions (which were probably going to kill her on their own), and using it as some sort of smear on the efficacy of the swine flu vaccine is bound to deter some of its readers from getting vaccinated.

The Daily Mail is a complete and utter rag. I feel nothing but contempt for its editors and pity for its readers.

Why should I trust the result of "research" from corporation sponsored "studies"? They would sell us rat poison if they could get away with it. No vaccines for me. I eat my vitamin d.

whiteonion

whiteonion wrote: »

Why should I trust the result of "research" from corporation sponsored "studies"? They would sell us rat poison if they could get away with it. No vaccines for me. I eat my vitamin d.

They already do.

Calibos

whiteonion wrote: »

Why should I trust the result of "research" from corporation sponsored "studies"? They would sell us rat poison if they could get away with it. No vaccines for me. I eat my vitamin d.

Wheres the 'In One Ear and Out the Other' Smilie??

GLaDOS

Calibos wrote: »

Wheres the 'In One Ear and Out the Other' Smilie??

It died of smallpox

pickarooney

goat2 wrote: »

my understanding was, if we take the vaccine or jab against the swine flu, we would not get swine flu, can people explain how the person who got the jab die of swine flu, i am not well up on these things, i did not and i was not offered the jab

Neither was I, Tayto, they gave it to some Polish guy instead :mad:

upandcumming

The jab has been linked to a rise in cases of Narcolepsy.

Dudess

whiteonion wrote: »

No efficiency. The vaccine isn't very efficient if people get swine flu. Looks like this vaccine is not working properly.:mad:

Why are you ignoring the fact she already had serious health problems? And the fact that she is just one person?

But your anti pharmaceutical tirade is really (yawn) laudable. Or something. And original. Nevermind the massive amount of good these medicines have done, just make up stuff in your head that you can't prove - it's really rebellious n' sh1t. Presume you're 13 - we all took stances like that when we were 13. You'll grow out of it - especially when you need antibiotics.

Pace2008

whiteonion wrote: »

Why should I trust the result of "research" from corporation sponsored "studies"? They would sell us rat poison if they could get away with it. No vaccines for me. I eat my vitamin d.

Shh, no one tell this chap about warfarin.

Again, I'd have to wonder if you'd refuse antibiotics if you suffered a serious infection, or at least painkillers to subdue the torment as your body slowly rots.

Everyone harbours delusions of invulnerability when they're young. For your sake, I hope it's a long time before you're forced to drop the contrarian attitude and accept proven medical interventions out of necessity.

Lumen

Such stupidity would be funny if it wasn't so antisocial.