Did this 'Gard' abuse his power?

Ghandee · 15-01-2011 9:17am #1

so, was driving down the Naas road, about a mile from Newland cross when this car (driving right tight behind me, suddenly swerves out from the right hand lane into the middle lane, undertakes me, them goes back into the right hand lane). Quite careless and recklessly tbh.

Cue, a mile down the road at newlands cross, I'm sitting in the tallaght bound lane, and this car is sitting in the other Tallaght lane (anyone familiar with the road will understand) so, basically at newlands cross, two lanes for tallaght coming from naas, I'm in the right lane, this mad driver is in the left.

This bloke is giving me daggers through his window, but I'm a big bloke, and can look after myself (I'm no one man army mind!)

I put down my window, ask the guy if he's ok, and that he nearly caused an accident back on the road. He shouted something about me not letting him past and him in a hurry.

Anyway, traffic starts to move as the lights turn green, were both on Belgard road heading towards Tallaght, your man still mouthing off through his car window, to which I start laughing at him (i find laughing at dickheads infuriates them more than shouting abuse at them:D)

Next thing I know, he's holding up some form of id at me, and screaming 'Garda! Pull in!' Now, at this point I hope I have explained that, if he was a Gard, he's in an unmarked car, not using flashing lights, not in the hurry that he seemed to be in five mins earlier, and as far as I'm concerned, the 'ID' he was holding up, might as well have been a libary card for what I could make out!

My reply to his demands to pull in were a not very polite 'go eff yourself' he shouted again 'pull in!' And I blew him a kiss! (he was fuming at this stage!)

I was headed right on belgard road (towards the belgard inn) and he drove straight on in the general direction of Tallaght.

Anyways, that was Wednesday night, still haven't heard a thing from the law, no police arrived at my door, haven't been stopped on the road etc.

My guess, this was a young, jumped up Gard, late for his shift at Tallaght Garda station, bullying his way to work.

Anyone any other suggestions?

Sofiztikated · 15-01-2011 9:20am

Why were you driving in an overtaking lane, if the middle lane was clear for him to undertake you?

ebixa82 · 15-01-2011 9:20am

What's a Gard?

Kimono-Girl · 15-01-2011 9:24am

ebixa82 wrote: »

What's a Gard?

its short for garda...law enforcer in Ireland....they've been around years!:D

hondasam · 15-01-2011 9:24am

Id say it is only a matter of time until the come to arrest you.

keithm1 · 15-01-2011 9:24am

What a bell end , although I hate super citizens that sit in the
"overtaking lane" doing the speed limit 'but us you were turning right at new lands you were dead right

arybvtcw0eolkf · 15-01-2011 9:25am

Gucky wrote: »

Anyone any other suggestions?

THIS....

Ghandee · 15-01-2011 9:25am

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Why were you driving in an overtaking lane, if the middle lane was clear for him to undertake you?

The Naas road is not a motorway, its only a main road, therefore there is no ' overtaking lane on it, (check that out if you doing believe me)

Besides, he undertook me when he was able to, (there were cars in the middle lane that I was driving faster than)

believe me, I am certainly no 'Sunday driver' I like to hurry so to speak.

Tefral · 15-01-2011 9:29am

Gucky wrote: »

The Naas road is not a motorway, its only a main road, therefore there is no ' overtaking lane on it, (check that out if you doing believe me)

No, Just no.

You always keep left where possible.. You only enter the overtaking lane (or fast lane as stupid Irish people call it) if your overtaking a car.
If your in the far most left lane, you use the middle lane to overtake and pull straight back into the left lane, if you cannot you use the far most right lane to overtake the middle lane, but at all times your ment to drive in the far most left lane.

TBH it sounds like it wasnt even a Garda and some fool trying to scare you.

HarryPotter41 · 15-01-2011 9:32am

Kimono-Girl wrote: »

its short for garda...law enforcer in Ireland....they've been around years!:D

Actually there is no such word as Gard, guard possibly, the anglicised version of the word.

Ghandee · 15-01-2011 9:34am

cronin_j wrote: »

No, Just no.

You always keep left where possible.. You only enter the overtaking lane (or fast lane as stupid Irish people call it) if your overtaking a car.

TBH it sounds like it wasnt even a Garda and some fool trying to scare you.

If you read my post, you'd read that, that's exactly why I was in the right hand lane.
I was using it to go past a line of cars

This clown undertook me when he could!

chrisxii · 15-01-2011 9:37am

you were dead right safety first these maniacs on the road is bad enough but giving you daggers at the lights, hopefully some where some day he will find a load of kop on gard or not

teetotaller · 15-01-2011 9:38am

Gucky wrote: »

The Naas road is not a motorway, its only a main road, therefore there is no ' overtaking lane on it, (check that out if you doing believe me)

Besides, he undertook me when he was able to, (there were cars in the middle lane that I was driving faster than)

believe me, I am certainly no 'Sunday driver' I like to hurry so to speak.

what a bull**t
do you have full driving licence ? how did you learn to drive...

if any road has two lanes - right lane should be left empty.
If u drive on the right lane and see that something wants to overtake you - you go on the slower left lane.
Gucky you should get some experience in Germany for example. you would go to the court quickly for dangerous driving.

Tefral · 15-01-2011 9:38am

Gucky wrote: »

If you read my post, you'd read that, that's exactly why I was in the right hand lane.
I was using it to go past a line of cars

This clown undertook me when he could!

If he had time to pull out of your lane, drive down the inside of you and pull back in in front of you then you shouldnt have been in the lane.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 15-01-2011 9:38am

HarryPotter41 wrote: »

Actually there is no such word as Gard, guard possibly, the anglicised version of the word.

/OP pull over & get out of the vehicle, the spelling police have arrived.

Kimono-Girl · 15-01-2011 9:39am

HarryPotter41 wrote: »

Actually there is no such word as Gard, guard possibly, the anglicised version of the word.

but that's not shorter so its not a short version, plus Guard is not Irish, Garda is, so Gar or Gard would be the short version....it may not be right but its short.

hondasam · 15-01-2011 9:39am

Gucky wrote: »

If you read my post, you'd read that, that's exactly why I was in the right hand lane.
I was using it to go past a line of cars

This clown undertook me when he could!

I thought you said he was a garda ?

have the changed their uniform ?

Ghandee · 15-01-2011 9:42am

cronin_j wrote: »

If he had time to pull out of your lane, drive down the inside of you and pull back in in front of you then you shouldnt have been in the lane.

Is this you Gay Byrne?

This is the second time I'll explain this to you.

The Naas road (N7) is not a motor way, therefore there is no 'overtaking lane' on it.

Tefral · 15-01-2011 9:45am

Gucky wrote: »

Is this you Gay Byrne?

This is the second time I'll explain this to you.

The Naas road (N7) is not a motor way, therefore there is no 'overtaking lane' on it.

Gay Byrne knows nothing about driving, he bought his licence like id say you did...

Just because its not a motorway doesnt mean you can drive merrily along in any lane you like, the keep left rule applies to all roads and in fact you can get penalty points for failure to do so..

sesna · 15-01-2011 9:46am

Gucky wrote: »

If you read my post, you'd read that, that's exactly why I was in the right hand lane.
I was using it to go past a line of cars

This clown undertook me when he could!

Sounds like he lost his temper, was probably stressed trying to get somewhere as you say. I doubt you'll hear anything as I'd say he's just embarrassed by his behaviour.

I'd say there was a certain element of you hogging the right lane, and you could have pulled into the clear space which the other driver used to complete a full undertake manouver.

Your driving behaviour was cringe too - blowing kisses, laughing etc. Maybe try ignoring other idiots and just focus on the road. Zero interaction and provocation diffuses these situations alot quicker. Also it's basic courtesy to pull in to the left if there's free space, it's a simple lane change and doesnt slow down your journey time.

HarryPotter41 · 15-01-2011 9:48am

Kimono-Girl wrote: »

but that's not shorter so its not a short version, plus Guard is not Irish, Garda is, so Gar or Gard would be the short version....it may not be right but its short.

Lets call the Ga's then

FreeCheese4All · 15-01-2011 10:08am

Happened to me 3 years ago.
Irate driver flashing behind me. I was doing 100 in a 100 zone on a two lane road. Had just gone into the overtaking lane to overtake a line of cars whn this guy comes up behind me. Anyways long story short I was waiting till safe to move back into left hand lane but he was still flashing away. Eventually about two miles up the road I'm pulled up beside him at lights. He winds down the window and flashes some sort of ID claiming to be a guard and how he should have pulled me in blah blah blah.

My passenger had enough and rang it into the local station at the time. Told them the story and that she was sure the person was impersonating a guard. Lo and behold 5 mins later the guy has been pulled in by a Garda. My passenger was never called back to be a witness so obviously they jus wanted a chat with the guy. It was so funny.
Ok so maybe I'm easily amused!

arybvtcw0eolkf · 15-01-2011 10:13am

FreeCheese4All wrote: »

Ok so maybe I'm easily amused!

We're not!..

Zzzz .. :mad:

antodeco · 15-01-2011 10:20am

I hate people who can't use the Naas road properly. Sitting in the right lane or middle lane. OP, just because you were doing the speed limit does not give you the right to police the roads and prevent drivers behind from going faster....

Tefral · 15-01-2011 10:23am

Alexzander Obnoxious Roof wrote: »

We're not!..

Zzzz .. :mad:

Want this thread more exciting, ha ha transfer it to the Motors Forum and watch this thread and the OP's posts be tore to shreads by the members there!:D

Hunter Mahan · 15-01-2011 10:32am

Gucky wrote: »

Is this you Gay Byrne?

This is the second time I'll explain this to you.

The Naas road (N7) is not a motor way, therefore there is no 'overtaking lane' on it.

This is unbelievable, I can't believe how ignorant people are of the basic rules of the road.
Surely there is no way you have a full licence? If you have then I am embarrassed for you.

Mena · 15-01-2011 10:37am

In pretty much every civilised country on the planet, people are taught (and it's enforced), that you keep left and pass right at all times... Unless of course you're in Europe etc where it's keep right and pass left...

I dispair at this behaviour.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 15-01-2011 10:39am

cronin_j wrote: »

Want this thread more exciting, ha ha transfer it to the Motors Forum and watch this thread and the OP's posts be tore to shreads by the members there!:D

I know, it would be hilarious looking at the OP have his ass handed to him over there, never seen a forum so full of men on high horses in my life.

OP, fair play to ya.. Sit in whatever bloody lane on the N7 you want, give 'em the finger.

the varg · 15-01-2011 10:44am

Gucky wrote: »

Is this you Gay Byrne?

This is the second time I'll explain this to you.

The Naas road (N7) is not a motor way, therefore there is no 'overtaking lane' on it.

No matter, irish drivers are supposed to drive on the left hand side of the road regardless of whether there are two lanes or ten lanes,except for overtaking so from that point of view you where in the wrong but so was the other guy for undertaking and jumping back into the right lane

TBH sounds like it was a meeting of two spanners on the road:p

Learn from it, and get on with it FFS

steddyeddy · 15-01-2011 10:46am

worst that can happen is your arrested brought to court and the judge will say the gaurd wasnt doing his job case dimissed and then you sue for wrongful arrest

hondasam · 15-01-2011 10:46am

Alexzander Obnoxious Roof wrote: »

I know, it would be hilarious looking at the OP have his ass handed to him over there, never seen a forum so full of men on high horses in my life.

OP, fair play to ya.. Sit in whatever bloody lane on the N7 you want, give 'em the finger.

OP prefers to blow kisses at strange men.

Bruthal · 15-01-2011 10:47am

teetotaller wrote: »

what a bull**t
do you have full driving licence ? how did you learn to drive...

if any road has two lanes - right lane should be left empty.
If u drive on the right lane and see that something wants to overtake you - you go on the slower left lane.
Gucky you should get some experience in Germany for example. you would go to the court quickly for dangerous driving.

O another superdriver.

Ghandee · 15-01-2011 10:48am

antodeco wrote: »

I hate people who can't use the Naas road properly. Sitting in the right lane or middle lane. OP, just because you were doing the speed limit does not give you the right to police the roads and prevent drivers behind from going faster....

Sorry.

Let me set the scene (i prob didn't describe it proper from the start)
In the middle lane is a line of say 20 to 30 cars, all doing around the 60mph mark.
I'm about a mile from newland cross (perhaps less) going past this line of traffic doing perhaps 65 to 70mph in the right lane.

Car appears from my behind, fleshing etc (where am I to go? Theres traffic in the middle lane after all) and besides, at less than a mile to the tallaght lane, moving at 60 odd mile an hour, me moving into the middle lane to facilitate a prick (who was going to the same destination as me incidently) was ludicrous.

It was unfortunate for this fella that I happened to be, exactly in the same lane he wanted to be in, and there is no one gets more infuriated by folk ' hogging' the right hand lane than me. My wife is prob fed up hearing me tell her that (on motorways) that lane is designed to be overtaken on only! Not to be drive on at 120kmh and to refuse to be budged off it!

However, on this instance, this guy was wrong, very very wrong.

My behaviour when he flashed his id (whatever it was) was far from perfect, but I resorted to that behaviour ONLY when I felt this guy (if a garda) is pushing his luck here. He can't make me pull in just because he feels like it!

As of yet, I've no letters, no garda at the door, and haven't been pulled in.
So, I can only assume from this, that I'm correct.

cormie · 15-01-2011 10:49am

Just to clear things up. You must always keep left unless overtaking or turning right ahead. This applies to all roads, not just motorways, unless the road markings or overhead signs suggest otherwise. A mile is too far a distance to be "turning right ahead" so you should have been in the driving lane (far left) or middle lane if you were going a speed that meant you would be overtaking the vehicles in the driving lane without enough room to move to the driving lane. If this car undertook you and had reason to be upset with you for not letting him pass, there is a good chance there was enough room in the middle lane for you to pull left.

Instances like this contribute to road rage and an overall increase in risk of collisions due to the knock on effect of driving behaviour. Driving incorrectly also slows down the whole road network. If somebody appears to be in a hurry it's safer to let them by. If you feel they are driving inappropriately for the conditions, you can report them to Traffic Watch on 1890 205 805.

15-01-2011 10:50am

Gah! I hate the use of "Gard". It just looks so ridiculous!

arybvtcw0eolkf · 15-01-2011 10:50am

Gucky wrote: »

Sorry.

If you could see the look of disappointment on my face right now..

Gucky, I have your back.. The road is YOURS, stick to your guns twinkletoes.

FreeCheese4All · 15-01-2011 10:51am

Alexzander Obnoxious Roof wrote: »

We're not!..

Zzzz .. :mad:

Must ensure future posts are more amusing for Maki!!

Ah forget that just put me on ignore

Tefral · 15-01-2011 10:52am

Alexzander Obnoxious Roof wrote: »

If you could see the look of disappointment on my face right now..

Gucky, I have your back.. The road is YOURS, stick to your guns twinkletoes.

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Reg'stoy · 15-01-2011 10:53am

Alexzander Obnoxious Roof wrote: »

op, fair play to ya.. Sit in whatever bloody lane on the N7 you want, give 'em the finger, Gucky, I have your back.. The road is YOURS, stick to your guns twinkletoes..

makikimi and O/P up a tree, k i s s i n g, first came love makikimi, than came ......... nobody as makikimi was a selfish lover.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 15-01-2011 10:54am

cronin_j wrote: »

http://www.brandidentityguru.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/****-stirrer.jpg

Link doesn't work..

I'm on my phone, I'll check it again at the next red lights.

Tefral · 15-01-2011 10:55am

Alexzander Obnoxious Roof wrote: »

Link doesn't work..

I'm on my phone, I'll check it again at the next red lights.

Ha ha

Ghandee · 15-01-2011 10:59am

Alexzander Obnoxious Roof wrote: »

If you could see the look of disappointment on my face right now..

Gucky, I have your back.. The road is YOURS, stick to your guns twinkletoes.

Lol

But these super drivers aren't reading the post correctly.

Incidently, for the guy telling me a mile away is too far away to be in the right hand lane......

If travelling at 60 mph, and you have to be in the right lane in a mile.
That gives me 10 secs, to get into the middle lane and back into the right hand one again?:rolleyes:
(thanks Sesame street ^)
Anyways, thank fcuck Jeeves is back from sick leave this evening and I can get back to being chaufered around the place again.

What what what.

cormie · 15-01-2011 11:08am

60 miles per hour (60 minutes) = 1 mile per minute

HarryPotter41 · 15-01-2011 11:11am

cormie wrote: »

60 miles per hour (60 minutes) = 1 mile per minute.

ha ha, Sesame Street didn't do him that much good.

teetotaller · 15-01-2011 11:13am

Gucky wrote: »

Lol

If travelling at 60 mph, and you have to be in the right lane in a mile.
That gives me 10 secs, to get into the middle lane and back into the right hand one again?:rolleyes:

Edit
no point to put the same for the 3rd time.....

HarryPotter41 · 15-01-2011 11:16am

teetotaller wrote: »

we already know, that you don't have a driving licence, now I can say, that you didn't finish your school too.

60 miles per hour is 60 miles per 60 minutes, so it is 1 mile per minute , not 10 sec like you wrote.

Damn you, I thought I could now reduce my 26 mile commute to work in the morning to a nice 4 or 5 minute jaunt :-(

Kintarō Hattori · 15-01-2011 11:17am

I really feel that this exact thread was posted sometime before. Anyone else having a case of deja vu reading it?

Bruthal · 15-01-2011 11:17am

cronin_j wrote: »

Gay Byrne knows nothing about driving, he bought his licence like id say you did...

I guess you still drive like you did for your test so.

Just because its not a motorway doesnt mean you can drive merrily along in any lane you like, the keep left rule applies to all roads and in fact you can get penalty points for failure to do so..

Well when you are going to turn right at newlands cross coming from naas, how late should you leave it, when does this overtakning lane allow drivers enter it so as to be in position to be in the correct lane to turn right?

What about rush hour traffic when the road is clogged up, everyone in the extreme left lane is it?

A bit of cop on is whats used when driving and regard to the rules, not computer programmed rules followed like a robot, not these dick heads that drive a meter behind you and all of a sudden people here are claiming the person being tail gated is driving dangerously, when they are going to be turning right shortly. Maybe we should stay in the left lane until the junction, then swerve across to the right turning lane in the last 50 meters.

the varg
No matter, irish drivers are supposed to drive on the left hand side of the road regardless of whether there are two lanes or ten lanes,except for overtaking so from that point of view you where in the wrong but so was the other guy for undertaking and jumping back into the right lane

TBH sounds like it was a meeting of two spanners on the road[/IMG]

So how can he turn right from a dual carriageway if he can only go into the right lane for overtaking?

Learn from it, and get on with it FFS

Im sure the OP is thankful for the advice.

Want this thread more exciting, ha ha transfer it to the Motors Forum and watch this thread and the OP's posts be tore to shreads by the members there!

Yes even though he has a point.

MagicSean · 15-01-2011 11:21am

Gucky wrote: »

Lol

But these super drivers aren't reading the post correctly.

Incidently, for the guy telling me a mile away is too far away to be in the right hand lane......

If travelling at 60 mph, and you have to be in the right lane in a mile.
That gives me 10 secs, to get into the middle lane and back into the right hand one again?:rolleyes:
(thanks Sesame street ^)
Anyways, thank fcuck Jeeves is back from sick leave this evening and I can get back to being chaufered around the place again.

What what what.

It gives you a minute not 10 seconds. If that's not enough you can always slow down. Your story doesn't add up. I fail to see how he could have undertaken you if there was a line of twenty cars beside you.

Bruthal · 15-01-2011 11:23am

cormie wrote: »

Just to clear things up. You must always keep left unless overtaking or turning right ahead. This applies to all roads, not just motorways, unless the road markings or overhead signs suggest otherwise. A mile is too far a distance to be "turning right ahead" so you should have been in the driving lane (far left) or middle lane if you were going a speed that meant you would be overtaking the vehicles in the driving lane without enough room to move to the driving lane. If this car undertook you and had reason to be upset with you for not letting him pass, there is a good chance there was enough room in the middle lane for you to pull left.

Instances like this contribute to road rage and an overall increase in risk of collisions due to the knock on effect of driving behaviour. Driving incorrectly also slows down the whole road network. If somebody appears to be in a hurry it's safer to let them by. If you feel they are driving inappropriately for the conditions, you can report them to Traffic Watch on 1890 205 805.

Yes great, but speeding is the biggest cause of serious accidents and deaths, not being in the right hand lane approaching a junction waiting to turn right. If someone is in a hury they will be the cause of accidents, not the person they are bullying on the road.

PeakOutput · 15-01-2011 11:30am

k_mac wrote: »

It gives you a minute not 10 seconds. If that's not enough you can always slow down. Your story doesn't add up. I fail to see how he could have undertaken you if there was a line of twenty cars beside you.

its not hard to figure out tbh, the cars could be spaced out enough so that the closing speed does not make it worthwhile to pull in and back out but far enough apart for the guy to undertake

you are not expected to be in the driving lane right up until the guy in fornt of you' bumper then pul out overtake and then straight back in so he is at your bumper. if there are cars doing 60 and your doing 70 if they are 100ft away you will be beside them in about 10 seconds. imo thats not long enough to pull back into the driving lane but might be long enough for a guy right on your bumper to undertake you

Did this 'Gard' abuse his power?

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