Should elocution lessons be mandatory in school?

Johnny Utah

Some people, especially those from a lower socio economic background, have trouble using correct grammar. If elocution lessons were provided in school, it might solve this problem.



What do you think?

take everything

Johnny Utah wrote: »

Some people, especially those from a lower socio economic background, have trouble using correct grammar. If elocution lessons were provided in school, it might solve this problem.



What do you think?

What do i tink?

amacachi

No, how else will people know that I had better parents than other people?

proon4

Johnny Utah wrote: »

Some people, especially those from a lower socio economic background, have trouble using correct grammar. If elocution lessons were provided in school, it might solve this problem.



What do you think?

Lower socio econmic background ???...Ya pompous pric... Words are just words.. Actions count

Mod: Poster banned.

orourkeda

Johnny Utah wrote: »

Some people, especially those from a lower socio economic background, have trouble using correct grammar. If elocution lessons were provided in school, it might solve this problem.



What do you think?

The use of grammar is flawed in almost every socio economic level to some degree

dotsman

proon4 wrote: »

Actions count

And the ability to communicate effectively is one such action.

Sanjuro

Let's start with teaching da youf how to use proper English and go from there. They's getting worse, they is.

PK2008

Johnny Utah wrote: »

Some people, especially those from a lower socio economic background, have trouble using correct grammar. If elocution lessons were provided in school, it might solve this problem.



What do you think?

Fuk dat!!!

Red Hand

Hyasssss, indeeed, old bean, old crumpet, old thing. I think it's an absolutely captiol idea!

orourkeda

proon4 wrote: »

Lower socio econmic background ???...Ya pompous pric... Words are just words.. Actions count

Hmmm. Quite.

starbelgrade

Johnny Utah wrote: »

Some people, especially those from a lower socio economic background, have trouble using correct grammar. If elocution lessons were provided in school, it might solve this problem.



What do you think?

I think you're a snob.

That's what I think.

FreudianSlippers

With out a doubt, yes.

proon4

dotsman wrote: »

And the ability to communicate effectively is one such action.

talk is just talk regardless

The Waltzing Consumer

Yes

Wibbs

Basic instruction in grammar would be preferable. It's not "I seen". Writing or saying that makes the writer look like an idiot even when they're not. Maybe teach the difference between "your" and "you're" while they're at it. The list is long.

stovelid

I'd rather see electrocution phased in for pseudo-grammarians myself.

proon4

Wibbs wrote: »

Basic instruction in grammar would be preferable. It's not "I seen". Writing or saying that makes the writer look like an idiot even when they're not. Maybe teach the difference between "your" and "you're" while they're at it. The list is long.

" Dats cat..dat is "

amacachi

Wibbs wrote: »

Basic instruction in grammar would be preferable. It's not "I seen". Writing or saying that makes the writer look like an idiot even when they're not. Maybe teach the difference between "your" and "you're" while they're at it. The list is long.

Oh yeah? C'mere a minute.

james098

Johnny Utah wrote: »

Some people, especially those from a lower socio economic background, have trouble using correct grammar. If elocution lessons were provided in school, it might solve this problem.



What do you think?

I think we need to teach them to read and write first Grammar is the least of the countrys problems :mad:

Red Hand

amacachi wrote: »

Oh yeah? C'mere a minute.

[Correct grahmahhh] Oh, indeed? Sir, I would like to buttonhole you for a moment or two. Let me collect myself.[/Correct grahmahhh]

starbelgrade

Wibbs wrote: »

Basic instruction in grammar would be preferable. It's not "I seen". Writing or saying that makes the writer look like an idiot even when they're not. Maybe teach the difference between "your" and "you're" while they're at it. The list is long.

I think that's what English classes are for.

stupidusername

I'm confused. Is this not what regular english classes through primary and secondary school are meant to be for?

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

Basic instruction in grammar would be preferable. It's not "I seen". Writing or saying that makes the writer look like an idiot even when they're not. Maybe teach the difference between "your" and "you're" while they're at it. The list is long.

Fora are one thing, but I accidentally saw someone else's email while waiting at the work printer today. "Can you make sure x is been looked after"
Ffs, in a professional environment! It would reflect SO badly on the company if that was an external email.

stupidusername

stupidusername wrote: »

I'm confused. Is this not what regular english classes through primary and secondary school are meant to be for?

No they're apparently for making sure little Timmy is 'expressing himself' and who cares about spelling or grammar :rolleyes::mad:

mud

I had elocution lessons in secondary school. We used to enter recitation competitions etc.

Good times :pac:

partyatmygaff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQWPR9TM0Gk

chicken fingers

With some of the scobes nowadays Id be in favour of electrocution lessons.

dotsman

proon4 wrote: »

talk is just talk regardless

I'm afraid it's a lot more. You're just missing out;)

strobe

Johnny Utah wrote: »

Some people, especially those from a lower socio economic background, have trouble using correct grammar. If elocution lessons were provided in school, it might solve this problem.



What do you think?

That is like, sooooo true, like. Those people from lower socio economic backgrounds have like totally random grammar. Like, I was talking to Sorcha last Sashurdoy nish and we like totally both agreed that they should get elocution lessons so they wouldn't be like so totally talking random and stuff.

carwash_2006

I don't think it's entirely down to socio economic background. I know many from rich and supposedly good backgrounds that have little grasp of grammar and elocution. All schools should provide elocution, deportment and yes, grammar lessons. I understand that grammar is supposedly taught in all schools, but it would appear that in a lot of cases the lessons are not getting through. Perhaps we should be relooking the methods of ingraining some of these basic skills.

The primary school I was in had half hour lessons, one each day in Speech and Drama, Dance, Singing and PE and then Art the last day. Definitely provided a good rounding in social etiquette without us suspecting it was hapening

Son Of A Vidic

OP - Why? I would be more concerned about teaching the ability to read, write and add & subtract properly. This applies to all students and not just some from a less privileged background.

strobe

strobe wrote: »

That is like, sooooo true, like. Those people from lower socio economic backgrounds have like totally random grammar. Like, I was talking to Sorcha last Sashurdoy nish and we like totally both agreed that they should get elocution lessons so they wouldn't be like so totally talking random and stuff.

I always thought this manner of speaking was a complete exaggeration until one day on the bus: 'you're at x's house? that's so, like, random! haha!'
:mad:

Jaxxy

No.

Red Hand

bluewolf wrote: »

I always thought this manner of speaking was a complete exaggeration until one day on the bus: 'you're at x's house? that's so, like, random! haha!'
:mad:

But it was random. He/she could have been at YOUR house.

:pac:

Jeremiah 16:1

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote: »

But it was random. He/she could have been at YOUR house.

:pac:

I think that would have been more like coincidence considering I didn't know these people! :P

melekalikimaka

but how will we distinguish the rich from the poor, maybe we can sow stars into their clothes... to make them feel better...oh wait... maybe thats been tried before...

Red Hand

bluewolf wrote: »

I think that would have been more like coincidence considering I didn't know these people! :P

No, technically, it would have been a random encounter, rather a coincidence.

The person that could have shown up at your house would have considered you to be a "randomer". The person (the "randomee") was however actually at this other person's house so your randomness never fulfilled it's potential.

However, you still exist as a potential randomer and in the future, may indeed fulfill your random role.

:pac:

Red Hand

melekalikimaka wrote: »

but how will we distinguish the rich from the poor, maybe we can sow stars into their clothes... to make them feel better...oh wait... maybe thats been tried before...

Rhinestone cowboys?

/Neil Diamond

Saruman

My wife is a bigger grammar Nazi than me. She is always giving out about how Irish people can not use correct grammar.

One example is her boss, who was an English Major in college, can not get simple apostrophes right.

It seems Irish people (and I have seen this myself) have an inerrant need to an an apostrophe to everything ending in "s". Or that anything plural needs an apostrophe.

Example: Make sure your need's are met, It is a complete shamble's etc.

My pet hate is people who do not know the difference between where, were, ware or there, their, they're and so on. These are not typos, these are simply lack of basic grammar and spelling.

Anyway people are in fact taught grammar and elocution in school, or at least I was in school. That does not mean their normal speech will change though.

RichieC

What's the correct accent? D4? trinity speak? because it depends..

Saruman

RichieC wrote: »

What's the correct accent? D4? trinity speak? because it depends..

Mine, I mean Moine...

melekalikimaka

RichieC wrote: »

What's the correct accent? D4? trinity speak? because it depends..

to speak in an elocutionary manner is not an 'accent' thats a misconception by most here it is in fact emphasis on gesture, vocal production, and delivery.

Aigggghhhhhttttt

RichieC

melekalikimaka wrote: »

to speak in an elocutionary manner is not an 'accent' thats a misconception by most here it is in fact emphasis on gesture, vocal production, and delivery.

Aigggghhhhhttttt

I've seen my fair lady...

fend

Should elocution lessons be manditory in school?

Abso****inglutley

The Waltzing Consumer

RichieC wrote: »

What's the correct accent? D4? trinity speak? because it depends..

The correct accent is all accents, all areas, all people. The incorrect accent is the lazy ignorant scumbag ape-like grunts that you will find in all accents, all areas, all people.

Saruman

melekalikimaka wrote: »

To speak in an elocutionary manner is not an "accent" that's a misconception by most here. It is, in fact emphasis on gesture, vocal production, and delivery.

Aigggghhhhhttttt

In the spirit of the thread, I fixed that for you.

Time to duck and cover

Pal

Elocution is not a problem per se in Irish schools to my mind.
I see a lot of CVs where candidates struggle with simple English grammar and prose.

bobblepuzzle

I see so much drivel where I work, I can't stand spelling or punctuation mistakes! If I am sent an email for example with a lot of mistakes, I will ignore it... don't send me ****!

melekalikimaka

Saruman wrote: »

In the spirit of the thread, I fixed that for you.

Time to duck and cover

elocution is only in reference to public speaking, written grammatical errors would be another matter altogether

Wibbs

RichieC wrote: »

What's the correct accent? D4? trinity speak? because it depends..

Shíte no, not D4/Trinity speak. Those muppets actually suffered from an over abundance of elocution teachers in the 60's and 70's. This is why(like mentioned in another thread) they add aitches where they don't exist. They're so afraid(or their country/inner city folks were) of dropping aitches and appear "common", or god forbid raw culshie or inner city dub. So Height becomes HeightH and throat becomes throatH. Morons. The development of a dialect or accent is game ball, but not when it's that fcuked up.

Wibbs

melekalikimaka wrote: »

elocution is only in reference to public speaking, written grammatical errors would be another matter altogether

+1. I like accents. I want to hear them. I want to hear the fossil record of a persons background come out in their voice. So long as some basic grammar is coming along for the ride. Laziness is not "culture".