Will Ron Paul Win In 2012?

Richard tea

This is a short vid from the jon stewart show. It shows how the MSM are ignoring Ron Paul. I noticed it myself on Irish radio the other day.

http://gawker.com/5831167/

Overheal

Beat me to it :mad:

The video is worth everyone viewing. CNN, FOX, etc. all blatantly ignoring Ron Paul to the point of their own lunacy.

"A new Gallup survey showing Rick Perry running second to Mitt Romney - knocking down favorite Michelle Bachman to 4th" - No mention of the 3rd runner in the poll: Ron Paul.

Jon Stewart wrote:

What's wrong with [Ron Paul]? He is Tea Party Patient Zero. All that small government, grassroots business? He planted that grass. These other folks? They're just moral majorities in a tri-cornered hat.

CNN: "[Paul, Reporter]: Right now live next to the bus behind us, Ron Paul is speaking. And 7 of the candidates are here today. We have live pictures of Ron Paul - but you know what, we're talking about Sarah Palin we're talking about Rick Perry, the two people not in the race yet, Drew.

[Drew, Anchor]: And guess what Paul, if you get video of Sarah Palin, or get a soundbyte from her: bring that back to us. You can hold the Ron Paul stuff. Hur hur hur

[Paul nods]"

gargleblaster

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=73797355&postcount=76

Sinking in yet?

Now consider how the tea party really started, and who will be pulling the strings if any of those candidates got the top spot. Nobody would pull Ron Paul's strings, which is why he will not be treated as a serious candidate, and if he does get any traction, out come the knives.

matthew8

gargleblaster wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=73797355&postcount=76

Sinking in yet?

Now consider how the tea party really started, and who will be pulling the strings if any of those candidates got the top spot. Nobody would pull Ron Paul's strings, which is why he will not be treated as a serious candidate, and if he does get any traction, out come the knives.

Well Ron Paul is poised to come second or better in Iowa which will be a good result. His views on civil liberties should go down well in NY and CAL while his states rights ideas will be popular in the south.

While people keep on saying he has no chance, he keeps rising in the polls.

Overheal

He finished Second, 200 votes behind Bachman, and a couple Thousand votes ahead of any other candidate.

I expect late nights like Jon Stewart to keep pointing these media hypocrisies out though. Stewart alone has a shocking amount of sway. People listen to him, even the Media which at times has been so threatened by him they've tried (and failed) to smear him. But they still watch him and make responses to his show on air. Because they can't really ignore him. Even if they did he'd probably organize another rally on Washington.

matthew8

Overheal wrote: »

He finished Second, 200 votes behind Bachman, and a couple Thousand votes ahead of any other candidate.

I'm really liking the introduction of this Perry guy. He will take votes from Bachmann's religious crusaders and Romney's fans who want jobs. Hopefully not too many though, hopefully he will become a target for republicans to knock. Hopefully Huntsman can also take votes off the frontrunners.

Richard tea

When do we find out who the Republican Presidential Nominee is?

I have 20 quid on Ron Paul @25/1

matthew8

Richard tea wrote: »

When do we find out who the Republican Presidential Nominee is?

I have 20 quid on Ron Paul @25/1

If Ron Paul wins it could go down to the last state. Iowa is make or break for Paul and Bachmann, Bachmann needs to win, Paul needs a very strong third or better. NH is make or break for Romney and Huntsman (and Gary Johnson for those of you who still hope for a 2 term governor who produced a budget surplus and led the nation in job creation) but Bachmann and Paul must avoid a drubbing. Rick Perry must also put in a decent showing there. SC will be big for Perry, Gingrich and Cain as they try to capture the southern republican vote. Romney will win Michigan, Paul has Nevada in the bag, Florida should knock off one candidate (It killed Giuliani last time so I'll go for Perry) and then we have a few big days. Super Tuesday now only has 9 states, compared to super duper tuesday which last time had 24 states. The Northeast is having one big day for all their primaries and the south are moving their's forward.

If it's anyone but Paul, we should know by Florida. If it's Paul, it aint over until the fat lady sings.

One funny thing is intrade, the US politics betting firm, gives Gary Johnson as much of a chance as Herman Cain and Rick Santorum, which is surprising because he gets no coverage (perhaps because he openly criticises Bush).

imported_guy

matthew8 wrote: »

One funny thing is intrade, the US politics betting firm, gives Gary Johnson as much of a chance as Herman Cain and Rick Santorum, which is surprising because he gets no coverage (perhaps because he openly criticises Bush).

i was surprised by how much gary and ron have in common, we have to wait and see though, bachmann wont last long, she'll run out of money, romney is a mormon, you can forget about him ever being president. rick perry is the only real threat to ron paul this election. i have to say it is looking REALLY good for him, but ofcourse the establishment will do WHATEVER they can to keep him from getting the nomination, hes getting ZERO airtime on fox, and you need time on fox to win a GOP nomination.

ron paul needs to pick a running mate EARLY he has a decent pool to pick from

jesse ventura
rand paul (he has ALOT of support in the tea party)
gary johnson
andrew nepolitano
....
dare I say it...? sarah palin , I have to say... whoever picks her as a running mate will win the nomination. (that doesnt mean if she decides to run herself she will win, she wont lol).

matthew8

imported_guy wrote: »

i was surprised by how much gary and ron have in common, we have to wait and see though, bachmann wont last long, she'll run out of money, romney is a mormon, you can forget about him ever being president. rick perry is the only real threat to ron paul this election. i have to say it is looking REALLY good for him, but ofcourse the establishment will do WHATEVER they can to keep him from getting the nomination, hes getting ZERO airtime on fox, and you need time on fox to win a GOP nomination.

The media really fear Ron Paul but Fox seem to like him more than other stations. He has Glenn Beck (!) and John Stossel's support and is a favourite on Fox business. The only person who seems to like him on Fox news is Neil Cavuto.

Does anyone know that if Ron Paul goes to the conference with 900 delegates, Mitt with say 700 and Perry with say 400 can Mitt and Perry combine their votes against Paul?

Suryavarman

imported_guy wrote: »

i was surprised by how much gary and ron have in common, we have to wait and see though, bachmann wont last long, she'll run out of money, romney is a mormon, you can forget about him ever being president. rick perry is the only real threat to ron paul this election. i have to say it is looking REALLY good for him, but ofcourse the establishment will do WHATEVER they can to keep him from getting the nomination, hes getting ZERO airtime on fox, and you need time on fox to win a GOP nomination.

ron paul needs to pick a running mate EARLY he has a decent pool to pick from

jesse ventura
rand paul (he has ALOT of support in the tea party)
gary johnson
andrew nepolitano
....
dare I say it...? sarah palin , I have to say... whoever picks her as a running mate will win the nomination. (that doesnt mean if she decides to run herself she will win, she wont lol).

I wouldn't consider Perry a threat, I think everyone is going to gang up on him and with 3 debates next month, his campaign could be in trouble quickly. People dropping out once they start doing badly is going to have a huge effect on voting as well and not in Ron Paul's favour.

I don't think he can pick a running mate until after the nominations are over. Jesse Ventura said he wouldn't run with Ron on a Republican ticket. Gary Johnson would be an interesting pick and my preferred pick. Rand or Napolitano would be interesting just to watch them tear chunks of Biden in the debates. I'd imagine Rand will be left in the senate to be Ron's "ears on the ground". Don't know too much about Napolitano's political ambitions but apparently he's a favourite amongst Ron Paul's supporters.

deepertheroots

Most Republican candidates will be fighting each other for their votes, while Ron Paul offers the voters something completely different, his votes won't get diluted by Perry and possibly Palin, Giuliani or whatever other puppet decides to run! Bachmann is from Iowa, and she only bet Paul by 152 votes in a poll in her own state! Paul got more votes than Perry in a Texas poll a few months ago! The media can ignore him all they want, but the polls won't!

A nice quote from the Washington Post:
''Paul is a strange breed of candidate, only visible to the pure in heart.''

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/post/what-about-ron-paul/2011/08/16/gIQA2YPlJJ_blog.html

imported_guy

deepertheroots wrote: »

Most Republican candidates will be fighting each other for their votes, while Ron Paul offers the voters something completely different, his votes won't get diluted by Perry and possibly Palin, Giuliani

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/post/what-about-ron-paul/2011/08/16/gIQA2YPlJJ_blog.html

you know, Ron Paul supporters are very HARDCORE and loyal, but there aren't that many of them. he needs to pull the grassroots back from bachmann, gary johnson, palin etc etc, the only MAJOR "pure establishment" candidates are probably perry and romney (and you can always forget about romney since hes a mormon, when push comes to shove and others use that card against him hes not going anywhere) oh and dont forget when the romneycare card is used as well. mitt romney isnt going ANYWHERE this race, he is just wasting money.

deepertheroots

imported_guy wrote: »

you know, Ron Paul supporters are very HARDCORE and loyal, but there aren't that many of them. he needs to pull the grassroots back from bachmann, gary johnson, palin etc etc, the only MAJOR "pure establishment" candidates are probably perry and romney (and you can always forget about romney since hes a mormon, when push comes to shove and others use that card against him hes not going anywhere) oh and dont forget when the romneycare card is used as well. mitt romney isnt going ANYWHERE this race, he is just wasting money.

Yea I agree Romney will get eaten alive in the next few debates, and his votes will go to Perry! Gary Johnson's votes will hopefully go to Paul, but they may go to Bachmann! I doubt Palin or Giuliani will enter, and the rest like Gingrich and Santorum haven't got enough support! I'm afraid Perry will be nominated because of the media coverage he will get and the big endorsements he will get from bankers and billionaires in Bilderburg.

imported_guy

deepertheroots wrote: »

Yea I agree Romney will get eaten alive in the next few debates, and his votes will go to Perry! Gary Johnson's votes will hopefully go to Paul, but they may go to Bachmann! I doubt Palin or Giuliani will enter, and the rest like Gingrich and Santorum haven't got enough support! I'm afraid Perry will be nominated because of the media coverage he will get and the big endorsements he will get from bankers and billionaires in Bilderburg.

the one thing that can get paul elected is if we get the tea party out on the streets again... its been MONTHS since we heard about a big tea party rally etc.

imported_guy

this might come as a shocker to some people here.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,921912-1,00.html

imported_guy

deepertheroots wrote: »

Yea I agree Romney will get eaten alive

think hes eating himself alive right now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2h8ujX6T0A

deepertheroots

''Corporations are people'', that mormon Romney is delusional!

matthew8

deepertheroots wrote: »

''Corporations are people'', that mormon Romney is delusional!

How so? It's not like there is some massive corporation-machine that all the profit goes to.

imported_guy

matthew8 wrote: »

How so? It's not like there is some massive corporation-machine that all the profit goes to.

nope it all goes to the so called poor black and hispanic folk who eat from gold pots rather than living on food stamps. :rolleyes:

matthew8

imported_guy wrote: »

nope it all goes to the so called poor black and hispanic folk who eat from gold pots rather than living on food stamps. :rolleyes:

So only blacks and hispanics are people now? If the money doesn't go to them then it doesn't go to people is what you seem to be saying.

imported_guy

matthew8 wrote: »

So only blacks and hispanics are people now? If the money doesn't go to them then it doesn't go to people is what you seem to be saying.

i was being sarcastic, romney's answer back fired because of how he phrased it, if you tax corporations people lose jobs because the corporations will just move. how ever red necks intepret big corporations differently, they view it more as only a select few benifit from being on coroporations' side which is probably true because america is capitalist after all, if unemployed blacks and hispanics profited from big corporations, wouldnt it be more socialist?

deepertheroots

matthew8 wrote: »

How so? It's not like there is some massive corporation-machine that all the profit goes to.

the people are individuals, their not groups or corporations!

Geekness1234

It really depends on what happens between now and 2012, if a double dip recession occurs barrack Obama could be blamed for mistakesin handling the economy.

gargleblaster

Corporate personhood is not about taxes. Romney stepped in it bigtime with that one. The issue is a sore spot on the left and right.

Giving corporations the same rights as people gives them an advantage over actual citizens. The very idea of it is frankly abhorrent on its face.

Overheal

gargleblaster wrote: »

Corporate personhood is not about taxes. Romney stepped in it bigtime with that one. The issue is a sore spot on the left and right.

Giving corporations the same rights as people gives them an advantage over actual citizens. The very idea of it is frankly abhorrent on its face.

deepertheroots wrote: »

the people are individuals, their not groups or corporations!

deepertheroots wrote: »

''Corporations are people'', that mormon Romney is delusional!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood

The laws of the United States hold that a legal entity (like a corporation or non-profit organization) shall be treated under the law as a person except when otherwise noted. This rule of construction is specified in 1 U.S.C. §1 (United States Code),[14] which states:

In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, unless the context indicates otherwise-- the words "person" and "whoever" include corporations, companies, associations, firms, partnerships, societies, and joint stock companies, as well as individuals;

Far from a new concept.

He phrased his argument poorly yet it's clear he was trying to include corporations into his policy of not raising taxes. Ultimately I think he displayed an understanding of federal law on the matter and more importantly, the reasons behind it.

deepertheroots

Another poll win for the Paulmeister

http://hampton-northhampton.patch.com/articles/nh-straw-poll-winners

Overheal

deepertheroots wrote: »

Another poll win for the Paulmeister

http://hampton-northhampton.patch.com/articles/nh-straw-poll-winners

Ron Paul: 35% of the vote

Runner up Romney - 10% !

deepertheroots

Overheal wrote: »

Ron Paul: 35% of the vote

Runner up Romney - 10% !

Yea Romney 10% (the so-called frontrunner), Perry 8% and Bachmann 5%! These 3 are the media's TOP TIER, and Ron Paul got nearly DOUBLE of the three COMBINED!

Carcharodon

matthew8 wrote: »

So only blacks and hispanics are people now? If the money doesn't go to them then it doesn't go to people is what you seem to be saying.

Jebus, come back when you actually see and I mean really really see how the world works, some people just seem to be oblivious to it.