Is it wrong to be gay?

cooltown

Is it wrong to be gay?
I have mostly accepted myself but I keep reading stuff online saying that it was wrong to be gay and how it is bad and how it is an abomination to be gay.
So what i'm really saying is. Is it really wrong to be gay?

Irishpimpdude

Yes.

rainbow kirby

Irishpimpdude wrote: »

Yes.

What makes you think that?

Rev Hellfire

cooltown wrote: »

I have mostly accepted myself but I keep reading stuff online saying that it was wrong to be gay and how it is bad and how it is an abomination to be gay.

Perhaps you should read other sites ?

Chuchoter

I'm another one of these people who've 'mostly accepted myself'. Those things are upsetting and I'm not even religious so it doesn't even make sense for me to be upset by them :S

Aard

You're not really giving any material to work with, OP, saying that you read "stuff online". What exactly makes you think that it's wrong?

Annasopra

cooltown wrote: »

Is it wrong to be gay?
I have mostly accepted myself but I keep reading stuff online saying that it was wrong to be gay and how it is bad and how it is an abomination to be gay.
So what i'm really saying is. Is it really wrong to be gay?

Hi Cooltown

No - Its not wrong to be gay

You have gotten some very very good advice in all of the threads you started on here and in the personal issues forum (and on other websites) before so Im not quite sure you would go off reading stuff that tells you it is wrong

mikemac

cooltown wrote: »

I keep reading stuff online saying that it was wrong to be gay and how it is bad and how it is an abomination to be gay.

You can find articles on the internet to support just about anything. If I wanted an article to support terrorism I could find it :rolleyes:

So mind what you read, there is a lot of rubbish out there

I've not seen your other threads but if you started them here and in Personal Issues then you'd be getting good advice

cooltown

I just get worked up sometimes when I read things online and I am very grateful for the advice i've gotten here!

Annasopra

cooltown wrote: »

I just get worked up sometimes when I read things online and I am very grateful for the advice i've gotten here!

OK fair enough

My advice - don't read that kind of stuff

bodice ripper

I have been in a long term relationship with another woman for so long that any interest in or feelings for men feel oddly deviant for me....

deirdre_dub

Is it wrong to be gay?

There is very little that is universally accepted as being absolutely wrong. It isn't even universally accepted that killing is absolutely wrong - terrorists, and armies, believe that it is, in certain circumstances, justifiable. The only pertinent widely-accepted belief I'm aware of is that of "whatever happens between consenting adults is OK".

What this all boils down to is that it is actually your choice as to whether you believe it is wrong to be gay!

P.S. I would choose to believe that it isn't wrong. And not only because you are gay - but also because that happens to be the majority belief in the society in which you live.

Coeurdepirate

I feel like such a freak... I watch the Westboro Baptist church videos to cheer me up.

oisindoyle

As others have said cooltown ,you have gotten lots of advice on here ,all of which is positive .So please stop being so hard on yourself and stop reading negative false CRAP .
We live in a world where the vast majority of people are straight and obviously coming to terms with being gay in this "straight world" can be very confusing at times .
Accepting yourself can be the hardest thing to do and for some its a life struggle resulting in lots of people never coming out ,and forever being miserable .
Yes it can be hard for lots of people to come out ,for others its a doddle.In other words its different for everyone .
Try not to over analise things ,take each day as it comes and BE HAPPY

deirdre_dub

Coeurdepirate wrote: »

I feel like such a freak... I watch the Westboro Baptist church videos to cheer me up.

LOL!

What is the name of that "law" where it says "it is impossible to tell the difference between a fundamentalist and a parody of a fundamentalist, as they both sound exactly the same".

I've heard the theory that the Westboro Baptist church is actually a group of deep undercover liberalists trying to undermine fundamentalism! The funny thing is - it could be true!!!

nick 56

I am a old man and have been around so let me tell you NO it is not wrong / right / bad / good or anything else.

I have meet a few bad people even a few i would describe as evil, but by chance none of them was gay.

Being gay does not make you good or bad

St._Andalou

No, it's not wrong.

Every gay person, no matter how secure, asks themselves this question. It depends on religious background, I guess.

As you grow older you really can't be arsed with these opinions. I'm happy how I am, I love being who I am, and I have no time for people who want to try to make me question that.

Coeurdepirate

deirdre_dub wrote: »

LOL!

What is the name of that "law" where it says "it is impossible to tell the difference between a fundamentalist and a parody of a fundamentalist, as they both sound exactly the same".

I've heard the theory that the Westboro Baptist church is actually a group of deep undercover liberalists trying to undermine fundamentalism! The funny thing is - it could be true!!!

It's definitely a possibility. They take things waaaaaay too far to be serious!

Links234

deirdre_dub wrote: »

What is the name of that "law" where it says "it is impossible to tell the difference between a fundamentalist and a parody of a fundamentalist, as they both sound exactly the same".

Poe's law.

Dr. Baltar

It is wrong in the same way that it is wrong to be black.

Everyone has a right to the pursuit of happiness. If being yourself, if being out and proud makes you happy then there is NOTHING wrong with that.

DS333

cooltown wrote: »

Is it wrong to be gay?
I have mostly accepted myself but I keep reading stuff online saying that it was wrong to be gay and how it is bad and how it is an abomination to be gay.
So what i'm really saying is. Is it really wrong to be gay?

Cooltown, if you mean morally wrong to be gay, you should read:

"The Church and the Homosexual" by John J. MacNeill, SJ
"What the Bible Really Says About Homosexuality" by Daniel A. Helminiak, Ph.D

They are both written by Catholic priests who will convince you that there is nothing wrong with being gay. Their arguments are watertight.

Both are easy to get at Amazon. They are helping me so, so much and I can't recommend them enough.

apkbarry

Is it wrong to be yourself? If it's wrong to be yourself then it's also wrong to be straight.

swizzle123

Of course its not wrong to be gay... who decides whether sexuality is wrong or right! If u have feelings for someone the same sex as you then so be it!!!!
Go enjoy life, have fun!!!
Its not right that people have to question if how they feel is wrong or right??

Beruthiel

cooltown wrote: »

Is it wrong to be gay?

Is it wrong to have red hair?

CSaber

No it is not wrong to be gay.

SparkyTech

Its simply a part of who you are, not the definition of you as a whole.

We all come in different shapes and sizes, personality's and dispositions. Sexuality is a important part of your person, but it doesn't have to mean a label or a stereotype.

The people who are the most homophobic in life are often the most ignorant tbh.

Azure_sky

Sexual orientation is a matter of personal taste and therefore not related to morality.

CdeC

cooltown wrote: »

Is it wrong to be gay?
I have mostly accepted myself but I keep reading stuff online saying that it was wrong to be gay and how it is bad and how it is an abomination to be gay.
So what i'm really saying is. Is it really wrong to be gay?

In an answer no, you are only reading other peoples opinions not a statement of fact. They are all opinions based on religious principles which are out of date and also have some other ridiculous statements (eating shellfish is an abomination???)
I live my life by the rules if it isn't hurting anyone then it is fine. Being gay isn't hurting anyone.

stephen_n

CdeC wrote: »

In an answer no, you are only reading other peoples opinions not a statement of fact. They are all opinions based on religious principles which are out of date and also have some other ridiculous statements (eating shellfish is an abomination???)
I live my life by the rules if it isn't hurting anyone then it is fine. Being gay isn't hurting anyone.

Except when your playing rugby lol

wayfarers

Cooltown, its so 'wrong' with some guys that they're probably suppressing something in themselves- they're usually Baptist ministers or recent converts to Christianity who hail from Africa, which leads me to my point; anyone else regret sending their pennies to the black babies in the 1980s to produce a whole swathe of society that frowns on what their European counterparts get up to in the bedroom/bushes/bikeshed?
And Cooltown if you want a good example of a thundering hypocrite and homophobe extraordinaire then look no further than Iris Robinson.

Azure_sky

We were just as backwards as they were not too long ago. Poverty, fundamentalist religion and no exposure to international media is a breeding ground for backwardsness.

cooltown

I know now with all the advice it's okay to be gay. I don't know what I was thinking the other night. I just kept of reading stuff and it started to get me down. I am 100% sure that there's nothing wrong with being gay. I know some people will never accept me but what difference does that make really!
Thanks!

stephen_n

Azure_sky wrote: »

We were just as backwards as they were not too long ago. Poverty, fundamentalist religion and no exposure to international media is a breeding ground for backwardsness.

Are you talking about America or Africa?

Azure_sky

stephen_n wrote: »

Are you talking about America or Africa?

Both!:p

Aard

cooltown wrote: »

I know some people will never accept me but what difference does that make really!

Remember that they're not not accepting you because you're gay per se, but because they're narrow-minded. Thinking like this shifts the focus off you and onto their own problems.

Quentinkrisp

OP, there's absolutely fuck all wrong with being gay.fuck all.any scientific/psychological/religious arguments against homosexuality have LONG since been disproved and discredited. any of these sites that you've been visiting where they tell you that being gay is wrong have been set up by bitter, twisted losers with serious issues about their sexuality. I've been confronted by so much homophobia in my life that by now I've learned to laugh and pity the poor fool who's delivering it, and so should you!:):)

St._Andalou

Azure_sky wrote: »

Both!:p

As backwards as America is in some aspects, millions of Americans in five states and one federal district can legally marry a same-sex partner. We're still waiting for this in Ireland.

scientific1982

Nothing wrong with being gay cooltown. If its not gay people, those websites would be attacking some other group.

Azure_sky

St._Andalou wrote: »

As backwards as America is in some aspects, millions of Americans in five states and one federal district can legally marry a same-sex partner. We're still waiting for this in Ireland.

I think that's due to politicians dragging their heels more than the average Irish mentality. Same with the transgender recognition act, though Irish people are probably less exposed to trans people than Yanks-and have more misconceptions because of that.

mikemac

Azure_sky wrote: »

I think that's due to politicians dragging their heels more than the average Irish mentality. Same with the transgender recognition act, though Irish people are probably less exposed to trans people than Yanks-and have more misconceptions because of that.

Would that go to a referundum? Like the divorce vote?

Or is just a bill in the Dáil?

Sorry for the questions, I'm just interested to know if I get a vote on this

pwd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjnrLt3VuSM

nsfw

Azure_sky

feelingstressed wrote: »

Would that go to a referundum? Like the divorce vote?

Or is just a bill in the Dáil?

Sorry for the questions, I'm just interested to know if I get a vote on this

I'm pretty sure there is not going to be a referendum on it. It will be passed by the Dail as it violates human rights.

http://www.tranniehaven.com/genderrecognitionactIRE.html

Annasopra

feelingstressed wrote: »

Would that go to a referundum? Like the divorce vote?

Or is just a bill in the Dáil?

Sorry for the questions, I'm just interested to know if I get a vote on this

Dail Bill

nozzferrahhtoo

cooltown wrote: »

I keep reading stuff online saying that it was wrong to be gay and how it is bad and how it is an abomination to be gay.

Lots of people say lots of things on the internet. If you want to know if what they are saying is true or not then look at the reasons they give and ask yourself are they valid.

Often - nearly all the time in fact - you will find they are just saying so and that is it. They will not give a single piece of back up for their opinion. Usually instead they will make up an imaginary friend.... say god for example... and then pretend this friend agrees with them too so they must be right.

DS333

Those who believe that God is on their side will never change.:mad::(

God will have to deal with them himself.:D

Annasopra

Folks this thread isnt about beliefs in God

DS333

Johnnymcg wrote: »

Folks this thread isnt about beliefs in God

Lord above, is it possible to introduce the concepts of right and wrong without God and religion rearing their heads? Who exactly do you think is declaring that it is wrong to be gay, if it isn't religious factions?

Craebear

It's more wrong to be a Fianna Fail supporter.

Annasopra

Craebear wrote: »

It's more wrong to be a Fianna Fail supporter.

well now - the bible doesn't say anything about supporting FF

gcgirl

That's a bit like asking is it wrong to have red hair, is it wrong to like Biffo, is it wrong to expect your gf to have a shave down there

Mr Benevolent

OP, speaking as a straight guy I would say that it's fine to be gay. Exaggerated gayness annoys me though - it's an act, and a poor one at that. Lisping, histronics, trying desparately to be one of the girls etc - that's exaggerated homosexuality and it gives gay guys a bad name. If you're not born with a lisp you're not going to develop one accidentally.