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Not Just Mammy wrote: »And you've based this opinion on my not having seen the hip score or other medical certs yet? I will be seeing them before I take the pup. And let me just ask, because of your 'guess' at how the pups were bred, you're basically stating that they shouldn't be bought? Perhaps it would suit you all better if the litter was put down. Shocking, to think that you are all so snobbish. I feel sorry for you all that you're too wrapped up in the so called 'guarantee' of health that you forget these are living creatures.
Maybe those who have cancer running in the family shouldn't have children, eh? Or those who've had asthma as a child/adult should refrain from having any of their own, also.
As I've said before -although I fear I'm just blowing hot air at this rate since none of you have seemed to 'really care' to read what I've said -I have researched the breed, I am well aware of the potential problems, health-wise and temperament-wise, I was just not aware of the paperwork that would come with the pup. I would have gotten my information elsewhere if I'd known what total bashing would go on here. You should all be ashamed, when a person comes for a bit of advice and instead gets a lot of insults shoved at them.
Shame on you all.
You've all heard the phrase 'buyer beware', but the only thing that applies here, is, 'posters beware'.
I once again thank those who have provided me with the information I actually requested. I will think twice about asking anything on this forum again. Perhaps it would have suited you all better if I'd stayed ignorant.
Good luck all, and may you not tear the next poster to shreds unawares.
Snobbish? You aren't reading what people are posting. Is not about being a snob, its about the health and well being of the dog. While people buy from puppy farmers, they will continue to produce pups.
You don't seem willing to listen, but please, just think about this for a minute. This breeder has a bitch living in a barn, that isn't house trained, which means that she doesn't go into the family home - EVER. You and others like you are going to pay this breeder to take these puppies. Which means that they have made a profit and so will breed this bitch again and again and again. So her life is to be spent living in a barn churning out litter after litter, with the only human interaction being with the breeder feeding her, and when he brings a male dog to mate with her - thats it, thats what her life is. However, if he couldn't sell this litter, then maybe he wouldn't breed from her again, and she would end up in rescue - possible the husky rescue that I run - and she would be rehomed to a loving family home. Although she may not end up in rescue, he may just take her out the back and put a bullet into her, or dump her in a pound, which is what will happen to her when she's too old for breeding anyway.
Now please have a think about how we are snobs when it is this life for a dog that we are trying to prevent.
This is Skye, a breeding bitch that was dumped when she couldn't be used for breeding anymore. Her back had a huge dip in it from the amount of puppies she'd had.
She is now living in a fantastic home, where she is warm, well fed and loved and goes out for walks every day. The same puppy farmer that had her also dumped 2 malamutes when they had a medical condition that made them useless for breeding that came through my doors. He lives in a house on an estate, no way would anybody think that he is a puppy farmer.
If I was a snob, then i wouldn't have the dogs - both pedigree and crossbreeds living in my house that I have. At one point last year I had 29 dogs here, siberian huskies, alaskan malamutes or crosses of those breeds. Why? Because of irresponsible breeding. I have taken in mostly unregistered dogs, I don't only take pedigree, registered huskies so no, I am most definitely not a snob. What I am, is one of those people who have to deal with the fall out from the irresponsible breeding going on. There is a line of Alaskan Malamutes in Ireland that has a dog in their ancestry that is passing epilepsy on. Do you know how heartbroken the owners are that have had to have their dogs put to sleep? Or the ones that have had to surrender the dog because of the aggression that has come out of that line? THAT is why we say dogs should be health tested and you should only buy from responsible breeders, not because we think you should only have the prettiest dog available. Its not about asthetics, its about the health of the dog. I know that you will completely ridicule this, but buying from this breeder, ensures that that poor bitch continues to have a miserable life, and that more puppies will be born and sold to people who will dump them when they get too big and too much trouble.
The paperwork that you should get from the breeder is the IKC registration, with the parent's hip score and eye tests on it, but you should have already seen those results. Why on earth would the breeder not have that? It costs a good bit of money to do those tests, so anybody that gets them done is proud to show prospective puppy owners the results.0 -
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Not Just Mammy wrote: »Just thought I would pop along and let you know that I collected my puppy today and I'm thrilled with her.
Turns out her bloodline is impeccable. She's from Mandy Hynes' stock.
I'm looking forward to many years of fun with my new best friend.
Well good luck with that because you'll definately need it
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Hip scores for Dam, right hip joint 3, left hip joint 3.
Hip scores for Sire, total was 7.
Mandy Hynes is the owner and operator of Clover Kennels, and was instrumental in the promotion of sled dog sports in Ireland, and as a result there are now organised racing events and other sled dog activities taking place regularly all through Ireland.
She also runs a rescue/rehoming centre:). And for the poster who said I'd be giving her up in a year? Cop on to yourself. I wouldn't buy a dog KNOWING how energetic the breed are, without plans for her proper training and exercise. :rolleyes:
I thought you'd all be happy to know the pup was healthy as could be, and came from a line of dogs well fit to breed, as you all seemed so worried. And I thought perhaps if I let you all know how it went and that I did listen to you and seen for myself the proper health certs etc. before I brought her home, that this could, after all, turn out to be a place I could ask for advice, as I'm sure to need some at some stage. But alas...:(
LOL @ MYSELF :pac:
You're still a bunch of sour-faced ould trouts, looking for any reason to turn rabid, and decend like a pack of wolves. Like my puns? Thought you'd appreciate them.
Of course, there were one or two of you who genuinely seemed nice, so I thank you for your time and your advice, as always.
And now, since I'm obviously not welcome in the Animals and Pet Issues CLIQUE, I'll kindly show myself the exit.:rolleyes:0 -
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Not Just Mammy wrote: »Hip scores for Dam, right hip joint 3, left hip joint 3.
Hip scores for Sire, total was 7.
Mandy Hynes is the owner and operator of Clover Kennels, and was instrumental in the promotion of sled dog sports in Ireland, and as a result there are now organised racing events and other sled dog activities taking place regularly all through Ireland.
She also runs a rescue/rehoming centre:). And for the poster who said I'd be giving her up in a year? Cop on to yourself. I wouldn't buy a dog KNOWING how energetic the breed are, without plans for her proper training and exercise. :rolleyes:
I thought you'd all be happy to know the pup was healthy as could be, and came from a line of dogs well fit to breed, as you all seemed so worried. And I thought perhaps if I let you all know how it went and that I did listen to you and seen for myself the proper health certs etc. before I brought her home, that this could, after all, turn out to be a place I could ask for advice, as I'm sure to need some at some stage. But alas...:(
LOL @ MYSELF :pac:
You're still a bunch of sour-faced ould trouts, looking for any reason to turn rabid, and decend like a pack of wolves. Like my puns? Thought you'd appreciate them.
Of course, there were one or two of you who genuinely seemed nice, so I thank you for your time and your advice, as always.
And now, since I'm obviously not welcome in the Animals and Pet Issues CLIQUE, I'll kindly show myself the exit.:rolleyes:
Thats excellent that the parents were hipscored, thats all we asked, and those are good scores. Do you know if the eyes were done?
I won't comment on the person you have mentioned, as I don't want to receive another solicitors letter. However, I will say that I am a member of a different sled dog club, and we hold meets every month, and in my very humble opinion have done far more to promote sled dog sports in this country than any other club, very much without the help of the aforementioned person. I think that its just a shame that people can't work together and we would all get much further, as dog owners we all know the prejudices that exist here against dogs. This of course is my own personal opinion and I am not speaking for the club that I am a member of:D There are people that have been working their sled dogs in Ireland for a very long time, way before there was an organised club, including people who have taken part in world championships, it is they that should be held up as the people instrumental in getting sled dog sports up and running in Ireland, as they have given a lot of advice and help to me and others, including Ms Hynes.0 -
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Not Just Mammy wrote: »I thought you'd all be happy to know the pup was healthy as could be, and came from a line of dogs well fit to breed, as you all seemed so worried. And I thought perhaps if I let you all know how it went and that I did listen to you and seen for myself the proper health certs etc. before I brought her home, that this could, after all, turn out to be a place I could ask for advice, as I'm sure to need some at some stage. But alas...:(
Thankfully the sire and dam were fit to breed, but that doesn't address whether the breeder, with his skinny, unsocialised dog in a shed under a heat lamp with her puppies, is fit to breed...
Actually that brings up the lines - it makes sense if he's breeding heavily working strain dogs who aren't intended to be family pets, that he'd have the bitch out in a shed and she not toilet trained or ever allowed in the house.
Fifty quid says that puppy eats your couch.
And then howls about it. 0 -
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I hope everything goes well for you and your "little ball of fluff", hopefully she will grow up free of any congenital problems.
But I am sure if she does develop any health problems you as a responsible owner will be in the position to pay the hundreds if not thousands of euro vets fees that you will most likely incurred to have her treated, never mind the attendant heartache that comes with having an ill animal and having to explain why she is ill to your children.
That is yet another reason not to buy from a puppy farmer, its moronic in the extreme to liken somebody getting cancer and breeding from dogs with breed specific hereditary conditions - I really could not believe it when I read that!
But hopefully as you say all will be well. I assum you did your research in other ways - went to shows, spoke to the IKC Breed Society Secretary to see who they recommended as reputable breeders? If that is the case then you should be free to enjoy your little ball of fluff same in the knowledge that you are not adding to the continuing problem of puppy farmers and all the attendant problems that come with purchasing a semingly healthy puppy of them. Caveat emptor 0
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