Pro bowl

spiralism

Rosters are in:
Teams are in:
AFC
Offense

Quarterback:
Tom Brady, New England
Philip Rivers, San Diego
Peyton Manning, Indianapolis

Running back:
Maurice Jones-Drew, Jacksonville
Arian Foster, Houston
Jamaal Charles, Kansas City

Fullback:
Vonta Leach, Houston

Wide receiver:
Andre Johnson, Houston
Reggie Wayne, Indianapolis
Brandon Lloyd, Denver
Dwayne Bowe, Kansas City

Tight end:
Antonio Gates, San Diego
Marcedes Lewis, Jacksonville

Tackle:
Jake Long, Miami
Joe Thomas, Cleveland
D'Brickashaw Ferguson, N.Y. Jets

Guard :
Kris Dielman, San Diego
Logan Mankins, New England
Brian Waters, Kansas City

Center:
Nick Mangold, N.Y. Jets
Maurkice Pouncey, Pittsburgh

Defense

Defensive end:
Dwight Freeney, Indianapolis
Robert Mathis, Indianapolis
Jason Babin, Tennessee

Interior linemen:
Haloti Ngata, Baltimore
Vince Wilfork, New England
Richard Seymour, Oakland

Outside linebacker:
James Harrison, Pittsburgh
Cameron Wake, Miami
Terrell Suggs, Baltimore

Inside/midde linebacker:
Ray Lewis, Baltimore
Jerod Mayo, New England

Cornerback :
Nnamdi Asomugha, Oakland
Darrelle Revis, N.Y. Jets
Devin McCourty, New England

Free safety :
Ed Reed, Baltimore
Brandon Meriweather, New England

Strong safety:
Troy Polamalu, Pittsburgh

Special teams

Punter: Shane Lechler, Oakland
Placekicker: Billy Cundiff, Baltimore
Kick returner: Marc Mariani, Tennessee
Special teamer: Montell Owens, Jacksonville

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NFC
Offense

Quarterback:
Michael Vick, Philadelphia
Matt Ryan, Atlanta
Drew Brees, New Orleans

Running back:
Michael Turner, Atlanta
Adrian Peterson, Minnesota
Steven Jackson, St. Louis

Fullback:
Ovie Mughelli, Atlanta

Wide receiver:
Roddy White, Atlanta
Calvin Johnson, Detroit
DeSean Jackson, Philadelphia
Greg Jennings, Green Bay

Tight end:
Jason Witten, Dallas
Tony Gonzalez, Atlanta

Tackle:
Jason Peters, Philadelphia
Jordan Gross, Carolina
Chad Clifton, Green Bay

Guard:
Jahri Evans, New Orleans
Chris Snee, N.Y. Giants
Carl Nicks, New Orleans

Center:
Andre Gurode, Dallas
Shaun O'Hara, N.Y. Giants

Defense

Defensive end:
Julius Peppers, Chicago
John Abraham, Atlanta
Justin Tuck, N.Y. Giants

Interior linemen:
Ndamukong Suh, Detroit
Jay Ratliff, Dallas
Justin Smith, San Francisco

Outside linebacker:
Clay Matthews, Green Bay
DeMarcus Ware, Dallas
Lance Briggs, Chicago

Inside/midde linebacker:
Patrick Willis, San Francisco
Brian Urlacher, Chicago

Cornerback:
Asante Samuel, Philadelphia
Charles Woodson, Green Bay
DeAngelo Hall, Washington

Free safety:
Nick Collins, Green Bay
Antrel Rolle, N.Y. Giants

Strong safety:
Adrian Wilson, Arizona

Special teams

Punter: Mat McBriar, Dallas
Placekicker: David Akers, Philadelphia
Kick returner: Devin Hester, Chicago
Special teamer: Eric Weems, Atlanta

skeleton_boy

Arron Rodgers won't be available to play in the pro bowl anyway :cool:

Oat23

Rodgers > Ryan tbh. It's a joke that Ryan got picked over Rodgers.

spiralism

-Jacoby Ford made a strong case for AFC returner imo, he's ripped off huge returns against the colts, fins and jets.. pretty sure he got another at some point. his speed is unholy as well, 4.1 40 apparently
-Rodgers should be there definitely
-Revis there is a joke. 0 INTs and was toasted at various times throughout the season. Flowers or Bailey would have been far more deserving

skeleton_boy

Ryan has had a great season. But look at the difference in QB rating, 101.9 vs 89.8. Then consider Rodgers had no run game behind him and Ryan had Michael Turner. Should of been Rodgers imo.

spiralism

skeleton_boy wrote: »

Ryan has had a great season. But look at the difference in QB rating, 101.9 vs 89.8. Then consider Rodgers had no run game behind him and Ryan had Michael Turner. Should of been Rodgers imo.

The selection committee makes the same mistake every year in picking them, it picks on hype and teams records more or less. Ryan is there over Rodgers because of the Falcons record

irishbucsfan

The Pro Bowl is an absolute joke.

Devin McCourty and Brandon Merriweather from the 30th ranked Pass Defense in the NFL?
5 players from the 5-10 Cowboys?
Adrian Wilson had a terrible season.
Shaun O'Hara didn't play for most of the season.
Where is Tamba Hali?
DEANGELO HALL!?


I'm not disappointed that there are no Bucs. Apart from Donald Penn noone is good enough. Kellen Winslow had a good shot. Aqib Talib was a definite until his injury.

titan18

irishbucsfan wrote: »

The Pro Bowl is an absolute joke.

Devin McCourty and Brandon Merriweather from the 30th ranked Pass Defense in the NFL?
5 players from the 5-10 Cowboys?
Adrian Wilson had a terrible season.
Shaun O'Hara didn't play for most of the season.
Where is Tamba Hali?
DEANGELO HALL!?


I'm not disappointed that there are no Bucs. Apart from Donald Penn noone is good enough. Kellen Winslow had a good shot. Aqib Talib was a definite until his injury.

Eh,even as an Eagles fan,McCourty deserves to be there.He's been fantastic this year.Merriweather is a joke of a pick though tbf.

Mikell and Trent Cole should have been there from the Eagles.Safety selections were a joke on both sides, and Cole has been the best defensive player this year.

Pegasusbridge

spiralism wrote: »

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-Revis there is a joke. 0 INTs and was toasted at various times throughout the season. Flowers or Bailey would have been far more deserving

Toasted at various times? Patriots is only time I can remember him being toasted. Granted not as good as he was last year but still top 3 in his position.

I'd be more concerned at picking someone who missed about half the regular season.
Agree about Rodgers

spiralism

irishbucsfan wrote: »

The Pro Bowl is an absolute joke.

Devin McCourty and Brandon Merriweather from the 30th ranked Pass Defense in the NFL?
5 players from the 5-10 Cowboys?
Adrian Wilson had a terrible season.
Shaun O'Hara didn't play for most of the season.
Where is Tamba Hali?
DEANGELO HALL!?


I'm not disappointed that there are no Bucs. Apart from Donald Penn noone is good enough. Kellen Winslow had a good shot. Aqib Talib was a definite until his injury.

Barret Ruud?

Dallas are always are going to get the players even when completely undeserved

OJ Atogwe should have gone over Wilson

Tamba Hali isnt a big enough name

I do not get how the 5-10 last place cowboys get 5 players in while the 10-5 AFC west winner chiefs with possibly the best oline in the league, the no 1 rush offence and a top 10 D get 3

Peyton Manning

Charles Woodson hasn't even been the best cornerback for the Packers this year, let alone one of the best in the NFC.

spiralism

Pegasusbridge wrote: »

Toasted at various times? Patriots is only time I can remember him being toasted. Granted not as good as he was last year but still top 3 in his position.

I'd be more concerned at picking someone who missed about half the regular season.
Agree about Rodgers

Patriots, both times
Harvin embarrassed him on MNF
Marshall, 1st miami game
Mike Wallace

off the top of my head

irishbucsfan

titan18 wrote: »

Eh,even as an Eagles fan,McCourty deserves to be there.He's been fantastic this year.Merriweather is a joke of a pick though tbf.

Mikell and Trent Cole should have been there from the Eagles.Safety selections were a joke on both sides, and Cole has been the best defensive player this year.

Brandon Flowers definitely deserves to go ahead of McCourty.

Pyjamarama

Jason Peters... LOL LOL LOL, only one of the Eagles linemen should have even had a shout and that was Winston Justice... we have one of the worst o-lines in football.

Trent Cole not there is a joke but tbh it's not like we all don't know that the pro bowl is a joke.

titan18

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Brandon Flowers definitely deserves to go ahead of McCourty.

Probably should be, but McCourty would still deserve to be there ahead of Revis or Aso.

irishbucsfan

spiralism wrote: »

Barret Ruud?

Had a terrible season. He records a lot of tackles because of the system but most of those tackles are for gains that are much bigger than they should be.

His tackling has become weak (people blow right through him) he is recognising plays, but generally it's not until he's sitting in the film room after the game. And if a blocker can get their hands on him then that's it, not a hope he'll be making any sort of impact on that play.

He used to be among the best defenders on the team. Now I wouldn't be surprised if he's let go in the offseason (contract year).

Bucs who played well enough to make the Pro Bowl this year: Aqib Talib, Donald Penn and Kellen Winslow.

Bucs who will play well enough to make it next year: Freeman, Williams, Blount, Penn, McCoy, Talib and Grimm. :cool:

eagle eye

The most ridiculous pick of all is Logan Mankins. You all know I'm a Patriots fan and I really hope Mankins signs a new contract because he has been excellent since he came back in but thats just it, he has only played 8 games this year.

Pegasusbridge

spiralism wrote: »

Patriots, both times
Harvin embarrassed him on MNF
Marshall, 1st miami game
Mike Wallace

off the top of my head

When you start with an example where the player pulled his hamstring you can't be taken seriously. On the other hand Marshall did have a good game against the jets. 150 odd yards. Not unfair to blame revis as he didn't play? When you use examples like that it makes you appear biased. There are many over-rated jets players but Revis is not one of them. Teams rarely throw against him. That says it all

spiralism

Pegasusbridge wrote: »

When you start with an example where the player pulled his hamstring you can't be taken seriously. On the other hand Marshall did have a good game against the jets. 150 odd yards. Not unfair to blame revis as he didn't play? When you use examples like that it makes you appear biased. There are many over-rated jets players but Revis is not one of them. Teams rarely throw against him. That says it all

-hamstring my arse, he was just flat out beat by brady and moss then if you ask me. imo he missed games after as his holdout had meant he was out of shape
-was sure he played against miami but that was 3 months back now so forgive me, my memory is a bit fuzzy
-favre and harvin did torch him though, he got badly beaten a few times that night
-gaffney and lloyd got a number of catches over him in the denver game

Hes had an average year and got picked on name alone. No INTs to boot, Bailey and Flowers both deserved it more

spiralism

titan18 wrote: »

Probably should be, but McCourty would still deserve to be there ahead of Revis or Aso.

Not aso, missed a few games but he's still the best cover corner in the game right now, when he covers somebody they are all but erased from existence

Pegasusbridge

spiralism wrote: »

-hamstring my arse, he was just flat out beat by brady and moss then if you ask me. imo he missed games after as his holdout had meant he was out of shape
-was sure he played against miami but that was 3 months back now so forgive me, my memory is a bit fuzzy
-favre and harvin did torch him though, he got badly beaten a few times that night
-gaffney and lloyd got a number of catches over him in the denver game

Hes had an average year and got picked on name alone. No INTs to boot, Bailey and Flowers both deserved it more

You will always have a number of deserving candidates but every corner gets beaten at some stage. Flowers and bailey had excellent and average games too. Name recognition obviously gives some players a big advantage but in my opinion Revis deserves his place.

titan18

spiralism wrote: »

Not aso, missed a few games but he's still the best cover corner in the game right now, when he covers somebody they are all but erased from existence

Have no real problem with Aso,he's been fantastic,I just think McCourty has been better.You could basically have picked 3 from guys like Flowers,Bailey,McCourty,Haden,Cason and Aso, and that's without including the likes of Verner,Joseph,Revis,Hall and Wilson.

The cornerbacks are really strong in the AFC this year.I would have gone for Flowers,McCourty and Aso btw.

jdivision

I would say the following didn't deserve it

spiralism wrote: »

Guard
Kris Dielman, San Diego
Logan Mankins, New England

D end
Robert Mathis, Indianapolis



Cornerback
Nnamdi Asomugha, Oakland




Tackle:
Jason Peters, Philadelphia
Jordan Gross, Carolina
Chad Clifton, Green Bay


Center:
Andre Gurode, Dallas

Cornerback:
Asante Samuel, Philadelphia
DeAngelo Hall, Washington

Hazys

Glad to see the Pats have 6 players making the pro bowl, but Merriweather...lol

Merriweather was our 3rd best safety after Sanders and Chung, he was dropped from a lot of games and a liabilty at times, strange pick.

eagle eye

Hazys wrote: »

Glad to see the Pats have 6 players making the pro bowl, but Merriweather...lol

Merriweather was our 3rd best safety after Sanders and Chung, he was dropped from a lot of games and a liabilty at times, strange pick.

Mankins is a way worse selection than Merriweather. In fact the thing about Brandon is that receivers don't want to cross the middle anymore when he is playing.:D

Chucky the tree

How does Nnamdi not deserve it? This has been his season so far.

Week 1 @ Titans: 0 catches for 0 yards on 0 attempts
Week 2 V Rams: 0 catches for 0 yards*, 1 catch for 9 yards by Laurent. Robinson nullified by offensive pass interference when Nnamdi was damn near tackled by the other receiver. That was only attempt.
Week 3 @ Cardinals: 1 catch for 18 yards on 5 attempts. 1 deflection and 1 PI. On Fitz 90% of the game. Most attempts against Nnamdi in 3 years.
Week 4 V Texans: 1 catch for 12 yards on 3 attempts with 1 deflection.
Week 5 V Chargers 2 catches for 43 yards on 5 attempts. 1 PI and 1 illegal contact.
Week 6 @ 49ers 1 catch for 7 yards by Crabtree in 2 attempts with 1 PD.
Week 7 @ Broncos 0 catches for 0 yards on 0 attempts.
Week 8 V Seahawks 0catches for 0 yards on 4 attempts.
Week 9 V Chiefs Did not play, out with a high ankle sprain.
Week 10 Bye
Week 11 @ Steelers Did not play, out with a high ankle sprain.
Week 12 V Dolphins 4 catches for 57 yards on 4 attempts.
Week 13 @ Chargers 0 catches for 0 yards on 3 attempts.
Week 14 @ Jaguars 0 catches for 0 yards on 0 attempts.
Week 15 V Broncos 0 catches for 0 yards on 0 attempts.

Pyjamarama

Have to disagree with your call on Asante and Aso Jdivision. Asante finally lived up to his contract this season and Aso has been lights out for most of the season.

Change those two to Woodson and Revis and i'm on board.

titan18

I shall go with the following who didn't deserve it/others should have gone instead.

AFC

Mankins and Waters.Mankins has been great since he came back,but hasn't played enough imo.Probably replace with Lilja or one of the Houston guards.Waters is just cos Lilja should be there instead of him.

Pouncey.Must be some sort of joke that he's there over guys like Birk and Saturday.

Mathis.Mario Williams should be there ahead of him.

Wilfork/Seymour.Kyle Williams not being there is a joke.I have no problem with Wilfork or Seymour in particular but Williams has been so dominant this year.

Lewis/Mayo.Lewis hasn't been great this year,and Mayo got in cos of his tackle numbers.Not saying that either are bad players, but guys like Scott,Timmons,Farrior and Derrick Johnson deserve it ahead of them.

Merriweather.He's sh1t,his inclusion is a joke.Pick anyone else ahead of him.



NFC

Ryan/Rodgers/Brees/Vick.Any 3 are good enough to go.

Jackson.Should have been McCoy or Bradshaw.

Clifton.Doesn't deserve to be there.Should have McKenzie.

Evans and Snee.Great last year,play regressed this year.Sitton should have there.

DE.Nothing against the 3 picked.But Cole is the most dominant DE in the league.I'd have picked him over any of the 3 picked.

DT.Nothing against the guys picked,although Smith is a DE, but Kevin Williams should be there.

Woodson,Hall.Hall is ****,Woodson has been **** this year.Winfield and Williams were robbed.

Collins,Rolle,Wilson.I like Collins but he doesn't deserve it.Rolle and Wilson are weird selections, especially as Phillips alongside Rolle is brilliant.Mikell deserves to go aswell.Probably the best safety in the league.

jdivision

Chucky the tree wrote: »

How does Nnamdi not deserve it? This has been his season so far.

Week 1 @ Titans: 0 catches for 0 yards on 0 attempts
Week 2 V Rams: 0 catches for 0 yards*, 1 catch for 9 yards by Laurent. Robinson nullified by offensive pass interference when Nnamdi was damn near tackled by the other receiver. That was only attempt.
Week 3 @ Cardinals: 1 catch for 18 yards on 5 attempts. 1 deflection and 1 PI. On Fitz 90% of the game. Most attempts against Nnamdi in 3 years.
Week 4 V Texans: 1 catch for 12 yards on 3 attempts with 1 deflection.
Week 5 V Chargers 2 catches for 43 yards on 5 attempts. 1 PI and 1 illegal contact.
Week 6 @ 49ers 1 catch for 7 yards by Crabtree in 2 attempts with 1 PD.
Week 7 @ Broncos 0 catches for 0 yards on 0 attempts.
Week 8 V Seahawks 0catches for 0 yards on 4 attempts.
Week 9 V Chiefs Did not play, out with a high ankle sprain.
Week 10 Bye
Week 11 @ Steelers Did not play, out with a high ankle sprain.
Week 12 V Dolphins 4 catches for 57 yards on 4 attempts.
Week 13 @ Chargers 0 catches for 0 yards on 3 attempts.
Week 14 @ Jaguars 0 catches for 0 yards on 0 attempts.
Week 15 V Broncos 0 catches for 0 yards on 0 attempts.

I might be wrong but didn't he play nickle a lot early on cos he couldn't cover outside with his injuries

Stev_o

Peyton Hillis must be wondering what he did wrong not to get selected.

mikemac

Happy for Billy Cundiff getting the AFC spot for kicker. Not high profile or big name recognition so I didn't think he'd get it was pleasantly surprised

A journeyman for a number of years but he's found a home and I would think there will be a nice multi year contract this offseason for him

Yes, I was wonder how Peyton Hillis got left out

Chucky the tree

jdivision wrote: »

I might be wrong but didn't he play nickle a lot early on cos he couldn't cover outside with his injuries

No, played outside all the time. He was injured in the Hawks game and played outside against the Phins and struggled in that game. After that he stayed on the outside all the time.

Silver-Tiger

Says a lot when our player of the year doesn't get picked. He thoroughly deserves to be there.

Chucky the tree

Stev_o wrote: »

Peyton Hillis must be wondering what he did wrong not to get selected.

Having less rushing yards, less YPC(joint with MJD), and less receiving yards then the other 3 guys should put an end to his wondering.

titan18

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Having less rushing yards, less YPC(joint with MJD), and less receiving yards then the other 3 guys should put an end to his wondering.

Better blocker,done it in a division with the Steelers and Ravens and imo,had a tougher schedule,as he also had Patriots,Jets,Falcons and Saints, and out of the 4,is in the worst team and where he's really the only threat on offense.

I couldn't choose between the 4 of them anyway.One of them is going to feel hard done by,if they're left out.

eagle eye

Ray Lewis getting on it is another joke, he has been very average this year.

jdivision

Hillis will get in. The Pro Bowl isn't worth worrying about anymore cos of all the pull outs. There's guys who were there last year who are frankly poor.
But then on the other hand Jason Peters gets in year after year and he hasn't played well for probably three seasons now

Pyjamarama

Peters is the worst selection of all. I thought Andy would be able to motivate him but he hasn't. Guy has all the talent in the world and worked really hard to from being a undrafted te to one of the top LTs in football but once he made it he didn't give a damn.

Peters and Shaun Andrews talentwise could have been the most dominant bookends in the league...

jdivision

I haven't watched as much football this year (hence I seem to have been wrong against Aso) but the NFC tackles imo should have been Penn and Saffold and AN Other
EDIT: Profootballfocus say Kareem McKenzie should have been named to it and that's good enough for me

frostie500

jdivision wrote: »

The Pro Bowl isn't worth worrying about anymore cos of all the pull outs

The Pro Bowl isnt worth anything because fans get to vote for the players. No offence to all of us fans but it really is a case of I want my teams starting QB etc to start in the Pro Bowl. Thats how you get so many unworthy players playing in the game. To be a Pro Bowler used to mean something, now its a pretty meaningless accolade.

jdivision

Well player votes count too, which means it's more reliable than the NBA version, but a lot of the players just decide to vote for the same player between them.

Stev_o

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Having less rushing yards, less YPC(joint with MJD), and less receiving yards then the other 3 guys should put an end to his wondering.

Come on Chucky he's on one of the worst teams in the NFL. He' is there only threat on the field just look at the stats. Their leading receiver is a TE which indicates how lethargic this offence is. Hillis is second on the top receiving list with 300 yards behind Watson and only 1 less reception.

Chucky the tree

Stev_o wrote: »

Come on Chucky he's on one of the worst teams in the NFL. He' is there only threat on the field just look at the stats. Their leading receiver is a TE which indicates how lethargic this offence is. Hillis is second on the top receiving list with 300 yards behind Watson and only 1 less reception.

He certainly doesn't deserve to go ahead of the leagues leading rusher and the guy who set the record for highest YPC ever. He can argue his case over MJD, but I think McFadden should have went ahead of both Hillis and MJD. He had a great season, so did 4 other RB's so two were going to lose out, unfortunate he did but some people act as if he was robbed.

eagle eye

Chucky the tree wrote: »

He certainly doesn't deserve to go ahead of the leagues leading rusher and the guy who set the record for highest YPC ever. He can argue his case over MJD, but I think McFadden should have went ahead of both Hillis and MJD. He had a great season, so did 4 other RB's so two were going to lose out, unfortunate he did but some people act as if he was robbed.

I gotta say that if I was asked out straight who should be going to the probowl at running back from the AFC the first names into my head would be Jamaal Charles and Darren McFadden, and Arian Foster after that. And then MJD. Peyton Hillis had a great season for the Browns but he wouldn't be in the running for me.

davyjose

titan18 wrote: »

Mathis.Mario Williams should be there ahead of him.

Williams had half the number of tackles and 3 less sacks than Mathis. And he's on a losing team.

What would your logic be?

titan18

davyjose wrote: »

Williams had half the number of tackles and 3 less sacks than Mathis. And he's on a losing team.

What would your logic be?

Mathis is **** against the run.Williams ain't.Also,Mathis has Freeney on the opposite side, easier for him to get to the QB than Williams.

davyjose

titan18 wrote: »

Mathis is **** against the run.Williams ain't.Also,Mathis has Freeney on the opposite side, easier for him to get to the QB than Williams.

Most of the success teams get in the running game against the colts is up the middle. Freeney and mathis aren't on the team for their ability to stop the run, no doubt, but you don't get nearly 60 tackles without being able to stop a running back. Bullsh!t on that one. The Colts run d does not hinge on their DE's, nor should it. We've one quality linebacker and are paying sanders 7 million a year to lie in bed.

As for your other point, Mathis has outperformed Freeney this season. The guy doesn't get nearly enough credit because he's only the second best DE on his team. He'd still walk into any team in the NFL though.

titan18

davyjose wrote: »

Most of the success teams get in the running game against the colts is up the middle. Freeney and mathis aren't on the team for their ability to stop the run, no doubt, but you don't get nearly 60 tackles without being able to stop a running back. Bullsh!t on that one. The Colts run d does not hinge on their DE's, nor should it. We've one quality linebacker and are paying sanders 7 million a year to lie in bed.

As for your other point, Mathis has outperformed Freeney this season. The guy doesn't get nearly enough credit because he's only the second best DE on his team. He'd still walk into any team in the NFL though.

Doesn't matter if the success happens up the middle,if someone runs against Mathis, or if someone runs against Williams,running backs perform better against Mathis than against Williams.

Freeney and Mathis may be on the team to rush the passer, but a good DE should be able to do both.Look at the likes of Cole and Peppers in the NFC, both of them are great at rushing the passer and stopping the run.Mathis isn't.He's a good pass rusher, but he's not good at stopping the run.

Also,tackle numbers are stupid.You can point out that he has loads of tackles but if he's getting moved by linemen easily,he isn't doing his job well.

davyjose

The number 1 role of a DE is to rush the passer. number 2, prevent the RB going outside. Mathis is excellent in both these aspects of the game. In the Colts' system it's predominantly the role of the Tackles to prevent holes being made for the opposing RB (we'll never play 3-4 .... Eveerrr)!

Williams is excellent, but tbh, Mathis is an easy target. Like I said, he's outperformed Freeney this year. But IMO you don't have the balls to make a Freeney Versus Williams argument, so you're taking the easy route and picking out Mathis.

Pyjamarama

Williams is a better player but he didn't have as good a year as Mathis. Now some of that would be due to Williams playing hurt for most of the season but that doesn't matter in this regard.

Like a lot of speed rushers Mathis is considered to be weak against the run when they really aren't. Their job is to contain not necessarily stop the guy. It's a matter of assignments. (not that they shouldn't stop the guy if they can)

Mathis deserves to go to the Pro Bowl 100% imo.