WTF?! Man shot dead in Government Buildings

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Gardaí are investigating the discovery of a man's body inside military police headquarters at Government Buildings in Dublin.

The body was discovered late last night with a gun shot wound.

The dead man was 50 and a member of the Defence Forces.



http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1228/govtbuildings.html

AntiMatter

Probably a suicide, and probably not the best place for it here.

galwayrush

I was hoping it was the Government collective, aw well...............

arybvtcw0eolkf

Please lads, he was a mate. Don't act the sack.

antodeco

Could be anything. RIP.

Ian Beale

Poor guy, sad news at any time of the year but especially at christmas, may he rest in peace.

Hootanany

Sorry to hear was he married

January

I really don't think AH is the place for this kind of thread...

arybvtcw0eolkf

adrieanne__x wrote: »

I really don't think AH is the place for this kind of thread...

Its only making the news because it happened in Government Buildings.

A similar death in another military post wouldn't be reported upon.

Lock?

RoundyMooney

Barbara Deep Flake wrote: »

Its only making the news because it happened in Government Buildings.

A similar death in another military post wouldn't be reported upon.

Aye it would, the suicide in Collins' two years ago was.

Noreen1

Poor man. RIP. Condolences to his family and friends.

Noreen

PCPhoto

Barbara Deep Flake wrote: »

Its only making the news because it happened in Government Buildings.

A similar death in another military post wouldn't be reported upon.

Condolences on your co-worker's death.

always tragic to happen.


I just hope some army personnel don't use the death to try to manipulate the public to believe this could be due to the dispute between the government and army personnel concerning payments....similar to taxi drivers claiming suicides were the fault of the government/regulator.

de Lehman Bruddars

Barbara Deep Flake wrote: »

Please lads, he was a mate. Don't act the sack.

You ain't a mod here boy

Mod note: Poster banned.

smellslikeshoes

I really don't see the point of putting threads like these up in AH.
RIP

arybvtcw0eolkf

RoundyMooney wrote: »

Aye it would, the suicide in Collins' two years ago was.

You think that was the last one?.

I'll be honest about something, if I tried all day I couldn't remember the amount of Defence Forces personnel who have died by suicide in the last two years.

Do me a favour and don't try pick holes with me in this discussion, please.

AntiMatter

de Lehman Bruddars wrote: »

You ain't a mod here boy

He doesn't have to be, to say what he said.

helimachoptor

de Lehman Bruddars wrote: »

You ain't a mod here boy

True but it's a request that people don't make fun if a friend who's dead you don't need to be a mod to do that. You may need to be a decent human being to follow his request which it seems you may not be.

Praetorian Saighdiuir

PCPhoto wrote: »

Condolences on your co-worker's death.

always tragic to happen.


I just hope some army personnel don't use the death to try to manipulate the public to believe this could be due to the dispute between the government and army personnel concerning payments....similar to taxi drivers claiming suicides were the fault of the government/regulator.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Jesus H Christ :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

RoundyMooney

PCPhoto wrote: »

I just hope some army personnel don't use the death to try to manipulate the public to believe this could be due to the dispute between the government and army personnel concerning payments....similar to taxi drivers claiming suicides were the fault of the government/regulator.

That's unfair.

As an outsider looking in (ex-army spouse), I found it a strange place, 90% of the soundest, funniest people you could meet, and 10% loons and feral layabouts that would get up on the leg of a chair. The army as a majority doesn't deserve the negative press it sometimes gets.

I'd also imagine that it's not the easiest environment in which to get counselling, surprisingly enough.

RIP to this gentleman, I was vaguely familiar with a recent incident two year ago, and saw how hard it was for his colleagues, let alone anyone else.

RoundyMooney

Barbara Deep Flake wrote: »

You think that was the last one?.

I'll be honest about something, if I tried all day I couldn't remember the amount of Defence Forces personnel who have died by suicide in the last two years.

Do me a favour and don't try pick holes with me in this discussion, please.

I know it wasn't. You have my sympathy, but less of the posturing please.

arybvtcw0eolkf

RoundyMooney wrote: »

T
I'd also imagine that it's not the easiest environment in which to get counselling, surprisingly enough.

Because of the very high suicide rate in the defence forces its actually one of the easiest places to get any kind of counselling, but the big problem with soldiers is their need to feel they've to maintain a 'macho' image with the lads.

They're also afraid that seeking counselling might exclude them from certain armed duties, including oversea's service and promotion.

Combine that with easy access to a quick and painless way of dying by suicide, and you have a suicide problem.

In fairness to the authorities its a problem which they're trying to tackle head on.

As for PCphoto's remarks, I'll just say they're contemptable and leave it at that.

RoundyMooney

Barbara Deep Flake wrote: »

Because of the very high suicide rate in the defence forces its actually one of the easiest places to get any kind of counselling, but the big problem with soldiers is their need to feel they've to maintain a 'macho' image with the lads.

They're also afraid that seeking counselling might exclude them from certain armed duties, including oversea's service and promotion.

Combine that with easy access to a quick and painless way of dying by suicide, and you have a suicide problem.

In fairness to the authorities its a problem which they're trying to tackle head on.

As for PCphoto's remarks, I'll just say they're contemptable and leave it at that.

QFT, all of it

de Lehman Bruddars

helimachoptor wrote: »

True but it's a request that people don't make fun if a friend who's dead you don't need to be a mod to do that. You may need to be a decent human being to follow his request which it seems you may not be.

Barbara Deep Flake is a subtle manipulative bully. Barely playing within the rules and throwing his weight around, kinda like his Judo "technique", lol. So with respect to his mate, I'll be damned if he tells any of us here what to do. This aint his army.

Mod note: Poster banned.

AntiMatter

de Lehman Bruddars wrote: »

Makikomi is a subtle manipulative bully. Barely playing within the rules and throwing his weight around, kinda like his Judo "technique", lol. So with respect to his mate, I'll be damned if he tells any of us here what to do. This aint his army.

A friend and colleague of his just died, in tragic circumstances, and all he, politely, asked for was a little respect; for people to show some common decency, not act the dick behind the cloak of internet anonymity.

Enjoy your time here on Boards.

bobblepuzzle

de Lehman Bruddars wrote: »

Makikomi is a subtle manipulative bully. Barely playing within the rules and throwing his weight around, kinda like his Judo "technique", lol. So with respect to his mate, I'll be damned if he tells any of us here what to do. This aint his army.

What are you on about?

arybvtcw0eolkf

Lads, do me a favour please and don't rise to him.

Thanks for the support, I do appreciate it but really he's not worth it - esp if he's to set up an alternative account to spout BS.

Would this be best moved to the Military forum? It's the only relevant forum I can think of that would be pretty much guaranteed to get respect.

Sorry for your loss Makikomi.

PCPhoto

I don't understand why the attack on me - I offered my condolences and hoped that some members of the army don't use the death to try use it to their advantage.

In my opinion it would be horrible for any member of the army to use the death of a colleague to try to gain public opinion.

its a tragic thing to happen - in any job.

once more...condolences offered.

Coriolanus

A Move would be good.
I love ah qnd enjoy a trolling as much as the next cave dweller but I can't think that this,will end well once the usual suspects arrive.

My condolences to his family.

dr.bollocko

Lehmann brothers guy banned.

Son Of A Vidic

<snip>

Sorry Makikomi for your loss of a friend, my sympathy and respect to all his family. My the lad RIP.

Dozen Wicked Words

Barbara Deep Flake wrote: »

Its only making the news because it happened in Government Buildings.

A similar death in another military post wouldn't be reported upon.

A real shame if true, I think it is important that tragedies like this are highlighted so the general public appreciate the strains and stresses people endure doing their service to their country.

I hope he has found peace.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Forgot to mention this with that Troll muppet!

Sorry Makikomi for your loss of a friend, my sympathy and respect to all his family. My the lad RIP.

Thanks, but for each and every member of the defence forces in this thread, and on boards the man's death is a loss.

Honestly, you can bet that on hearing this each member will say to himself or herself - 'another', and think back to other's who we've lost to suicide..

arybvtcw0eolkf

dooferoaks wrote: »

I hope he has found peace.

Please God.

thebullkf

PCPhoto wrote: »

Condolences on your co-worker's death.

always tragic to happen.


I just hope some army personnel don't use the death to try to manipulate the public to believe this could be due to the dispute between the government and army personnel concerning payments....similar to taxi drivers claiming suicides were the fault of the government/regulator.

how do you know it wasn't?


RIP to the chap. I know many people who took their own life.

Tragic:(

PeterIanStaker

May this man RIP, condolences to his family & colleagues. Very sad to hear this.

arybvtcw0eolkf

thebullkf wrote: »

how do you know it wasn't?

I think most of us were hoping that wouldn't be expanded upon.

Whats the point of speculating on the reason for a man taking his own life?.

Someone said earlier "I hope he finds peace" - that would have been a lovely way to wrap this one up IMO.

Perkina3

Lad I am sorry for your loss....RIP

thebullkf

Barbara Deep Flake wrote: »

Please lads, he was a mate. Don't act the sack.

Did you know him personally Barbara Deep Flake?...... What is it with young men and suicide..its apparently the biggest cause of death in Ireland of males between the ages of 19-55 years.
Incredible statistic really,indicative of our society as a whole :mad::mad:

I'm sure people here wouldn't be indifferent to making a collection for his family if so required? I know i wouldn't.

dlofnep

thebullkf wrote: »

What is it with young men and suicide..its apparently the biggest cause of death in Ireland of males between the ages of 19-55 years.

The country is a toilet.

Men put on too much of a front. I'd find it hard to talk to someone about depression.

Cantona's Collars

RIP

thebullkf

thebullkf wrote: »

Did you know him personally Makikomi?...... What is it with young men and suicide..its apparently the biggest cause of death in Ireland of males between the ages of 19-55 years.
Incredible statistic really,indicative of our society as a whole :mad::mad:

I'm sure people here wouldn't be indifferent to making a collection for his family if so required? I know i wouldn't.

In Ireland there is a taboo with depression. It just is something men don't get and if you do, you're considered to be weak, to be sick, to be something less than human, and to not be a man. It is a horrible state of affairs, especially when people are also as unwilling to listen to people's problems than people are talking about them. If you talk to a counselor, you are seen as being extremely weak.

rednik

Had my phone switched off. Can't believe this has happened. Spent many a good day on duty, golfing and on the gargle. I just can't get my head around this. RIP.

MagicSean

Deleted User wrote: »

In Ireland there is a taboo with depression. It just is something men don't get and if you do, you're considered to be weak, to be sick, to be something less than human, and to not be a man. It is a horrible state of affairs, especially when people are also as unwilling to listen to people's problems than people are talking about them. If you talk to a counselor, you are seen as being extremely weak.

Nail on the head. It's something this country needs to address very fast. People need to be thought about this illness.

iMax

k_mac wrote: »

Nail on the head. It's something this country needs to address very fast. People need to be thought about this illness.

This isn't a shameless plug, but I know this band Irish band called Friends Of Emmet. They're trying to raise awareness of suicide & depression & are donating all profits from "Coming Apart" to this cause.

Despite several attempts at trying to raise profile here in Ireland, they've been ignored by media. So they've decided to try it in the US. They're currently playlisted on over 200 radio stations around California/Nevada/Arizona. Their video is featured on VH1 & they have an upcoming national tour with Ben Folds where they'll play to approx 100,000 people over two weeks.

This has been publicised & promoted endless times & not one media outlet has made a follow up enquiry or promoted them.

It's pretty bad when it's blatantly ignored like this. This is something that needs to be publicised & the "shame" taken out of it. There is nothing wrong with depression or suicidal thoughts, there is something wrong with ignoring it & hoping it'll go away.

IM0

Deleted User wrote: »

In Ireland there is a taboo with depression. It just is something men don't get and if you do, you're considered to be weak, to be sick, to be something less than human, and to not be a man. It is a horrible state of affairs, especially when people are also as unwilling to listen to people's problems than people are talking about them. If you talk to a counselor, you are seen as being extremely weak.

are you sure that you are actually talking about people in general here, or maybe this is your own perception of what they will think of you if you open up. because if there is someone reading this and were thinking about opening up themselves to people they are close to or a councillor, they may be thinking twice now because this post has given them the impression that they are weak in the eyes of the general population. so to counter that, talk to someone everyone has problems, even the councillor has shit going on, in fact that may be why they ended up being a councillor in the first place, they got through their own stuff and now want to help others, who knows :pac:

Wurly

Barbara Deep Flake wrote: »

Please lads, he was a mate. Don't act the sack.

Really sorry to hear that mate, hope you're doing okay.

amacachi

Stupid of RTE and/or the rest of the press to report this. A neighbour's son died in the same place a few years back and they had the sense not to report it. Another family around the corner lost their son and 2 kids lost a father a few years back at this time of year somewhere in Portlaois I think it was. Both were army men but the amount of other suicides in the last couple of years I've heard of is stupidly high.

Hope he's alright now anyway.

me@ucd

me@ucd wrote: »

are you sure that you are actually talking about people in general here, or maybe this is your own perception of what they will think of you if you open up. because if there is someone reading this and were thinking about opening up themselves to people they are close to or a councillor, they may be thinking twice now because this post has given them the impression that they are weak in the eyes of the general population. so to counter that, talk to someone everyone has problems, even the councillor has shit going on, in fact that may be why they ended up being a councillor in the first place, they got through their own stuff and now want to help others, who knows :pac:

This is unfortunately a view held by other people. It is something that has to be changed before more lives are lost needlessly. What people need to realise that realising there is a problem and actually doing something about it i.e. speaking to a professional, making life changes, is not a sign of weakness, but a sign of strength.

Biggins

A sad state of affairs in any case and very sad too at this time (any time really) for this part of the year.