Scope for .223

dev110

I have searched the forums on here and there are plenty with this topic but they talk about pricey scopes like a 8 x 56 which I would love to own and same with zeiss etc.

The problem I have is I'm looking for a scope around €300.
I will be using it for foxes, long range rabbits, crows...The usual

I will be looking at a second hand cz 527 kevlar next week hopefully and want to get thinking about scopes while my substitution goes through.

I was looking at this but haven't heard anything about them
http://www.scopesdirect.co.uk/proddetail.asp?prod=1NSP62456AGIR

Also on shoot.ie they show an AGS Viper 4-16x50 and 6-24x50 for around €250- €280. Any thoughts?
http://www.shoot.ie/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=28_29&products_id=68]

Also on shoot.ie a Bushnell 6-18x50. Also any thoughts?
http://www.shoot.ie/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=28_29&products_id=35

Any others that could be recommended?

Thanks in advance for the help.

Cass

Stay away from the AGS range. They are first and foremost an Airrifle scope and not suitable for centrefire rifles. You may get a "good" one and it'll work for so long, but it will go belly up.

For your budget i would be looking at good quality second hand scopes. For your money a new scope will be limited to the lesser models of the known brands. Some may suit others will not. Bushnell are a decent scope irrspective of model. Swift are also a good scope, but with the newer models they seem to have lost their reliability. However for a .223 a swift prmier would do the job.


Try using the search fuction at the top of each page. Click search, advanced search, tyoe in "scope" in the keyword and click on "For Sale/Wanted" on the drop down menu of forums on the right. It'll give you a list of all the scopes lads here are selling and you'll find a good quality scope for less than you would pay new and within your budget.


Remember better to spend a little extra now than HAVE to buy again in a few months because the scope has let you down.

ormondprop

go on guntrader.co.uk and airgunbbs and you might find a good 2nd hand scope like a burris or nikon

dev110

Ezridax,

Thanks for that the Ags idea is gone out the window!

Would you know anything about the nikko scopes?

Also should I be looking for a 50mm obj lens or would a 40mm be ok?

I know the 50mm would let more light in but I don't know what is needed for long range stuff as I am only used to shooting 100-150 yrds with my .22lr

clivej

My son and I both use Bushnell scopes and find they are great value for the money and all of the 5 scopes between us are second hand and never had a problem with any of them.
The 4-12 zoom range is plenty but having said that I have a 6-24x50 atop my CZ varmint.

I had the 4-12x40 Banner on first but now that sits on the sons CZ 22lr


The 4200 elite 6-24x50 with tactical turrets is what I now useon the CZ varmint.
I also have the same scope on my Sako .308 stalking rifle.










And this is what my son now uses on his CZ 223
3200 elite 4-12x40

dev110

clivej wrote: »

My son and I both use Bushnell scopes and find they are great value for the money and all of the 5 scopes between us are second hand and never had a problem with any of them.
The 4-12 zoom range is plenty but having said that I have a 6-24x50 atop my CZ varmint.

I had the 4-12x40 Banner on first but now that sits on the sons CZ 22lr

The 4200 elite 6-24x50 with tactical turrets is what I now useon the CZ varmint.
I also have the same scope on my Sako .308 stalking rifle.

And this is what my son now uses on his CZ 223
3200 elite 4-12x40

I love looking at that rifle on the forums! I hope to have the same soon.
A family devoted to CZ I also see

Have you ever found the 40mm lens didn't let in enough light?
What would be the safe distance using the 12z zoom lets say on a rabbit?
What would be the range you got a nice safe shot on a bunny using the 12x zoom?

ormondprop

the amount of zoom should not be your deciding factor, you should also have a look at reticles and which would suit you best,
i have a nikko on my .22 and its a great scope for the money on a .22 for bunny bashing and the likes but i'd look for something with a bit more quality for a .223 thats gonna be used for lamping, pay as much as you can on the scope now as if you go the cheap route you'll regret it and end up buying another scope and wasting money, bushnell elite's get great reviews and the 4.5-30x50 models come up for sale at nice prices on some of the english forums from time to time so keep an eye out for a bargain and dont rush into buying anything

dev110

ormondprop wrote: »

the amount of zoom should not be your deciding factor, you should also have a look at reticles and which would suit you best,
i have a nikko on my .22 and its a great scope for the money on a .22 for bunny bashing and the likes but i'd look for something with a bit more quality for a .223 thats gonna be used for lamping, pay as much as you can on the scope now as if you go the cheap route you'll regret it and end up buying another scope and wasting money, bushnell elite's get great reviews and the 4.5-30x50 models come up for sale at nice prices on some of the english forums from time to time so keep an eye out for a bargain and dont rush into buying anything

The amount of zoom isn't that important to me as I'm considering going for a fixed variable scope.
I know what your saying about the cheap route and I don't want to go down that route!
I'm liking the bushnell scopes but have to decide if I should try to save more and spend maybe €400-€450

ormondprop

dev110 wrote: »

The amount of zoom isn't that important to me as I'm considering going for a fixed variable scope.

?
are you going for a fixed or a variable?
the bushnell elite range are meant to be a whole differant league than the rest of their products, better quality and better optics so if you were going with bushnell thats what i would go for, i was thinking of getting a 6500 for a while but never did in the end but from what i read i hear they are great scopes,
have a look here at scopes http://www.sportsmanguncentre.co.uk/ and http://www.uttings.co.uk/Category/766/riflescopes/ look at some of the meopta, leupold and redfield scopes
or maybe save up a bit more and try get a zeiss conquest or duralyt, docter or kaps scope

as far as objective size goes, a quality scope with a 40mm obj will let in as much light as a cheaper 50mm lens,
look through as many scopes as you can, dont just buy something online without looking at one in the flesh, as when you get it you might notice something about it that you dont like, and everybodys eyes react differantly to optics so if we looked through the same scopes i might find one better than the other and you might think the opposite

clivej

I learnt my leason with zoom when stalking with a friend, the zoom was on x24 and he couldn't find the deer in through the scope, @40y, 'cos it was turned up too high.

Most of the time the scope is on a zoom from 8-12 power.

The objective has a lot to do with what you see actualy in terms of image size. If you divide the zoom by the objective you get the image size that you see.

So a 10x40 scope will give you an image size of 4mm where as a 10x50 scope will give you an image size of 5mm. And with people of an older age the bigger the better as their eye pupil is about 7mm (I stand to be corrected on this)

And as for tube size, 1" against 30mm, all you get is more recitale clicks not more light transfer.

FISMA

Dev,
What are your targets? Big targets = small mag, small targets = big mag.

Truth be told, most deer hunters need about 4x mag. With that said, I use a 3-9x40mm.

I am not crazy about big bells. True, they gather more light. However, I am a bit obsessed with trying to get the scope as close to sitting literally on top of the barrel as possible.

Anyhow, we are going to have to find out if this place ships to Eire.

Here is an absolute steal with an illuminated reticle
http://www.opticsplanet.net/burris-35-10x50mm-fullfield-ii-rifle-scope.html

Another great scope
http://www.opticsplanet.net/burris-3-9x40mm-fullfield-ii-rifle-scope.html

Here's one perfect for varmints - ask Kay_9 what he thinks of it
http://www.opticsplanet.net/burris-65-20x50mm-fullfield-ii-rifle-scope.html

Burris is the best scope you're going to find at reasonable prices. These prices look like Tasco, Bushnell, and such. However, the quality is that of the Leupold Vari x II's.

Give serious consideration to the Burris Fullfield II scopes.

Slan.

dev110

ormondprop wrote: »

?
are you going for a fixed or a variable?
the bushnell elite range are meant to be a whole differant league than the rest of their products, better quality and better optics so if you were going with bushnell thats what i would go for, i was thinking of getting a 6500 for a while but never did in the end but from what i read i hear they are great scopes,
have a look here at scopes http://www.sportsmanguncentre.co.uk/ and http://www.uttings.co.uk/Category/766/riflescopes/ look at some of the meopta, leupold and redfield scopes
or maybe save up a bit more and try get a zeiss conquest or duralyt, docter or kaps scope

as far as objective size goes, a quality scope with a 40mm obj will let in as much light as a cheaper 50mm lens,
look through as many scopes as you can, dont just buy something online without looking at one in the flesh, as when you get it you might notice something about it that you dont like, and everybodys eyes react differantly to optics so if we looked through the same scopes i might find one better than the other and you might think the opposite

I'm considering all options at the moment.

Thanks for the links. I say I'll be buying from the uk because the prices here are ridiculous!

Thanks for clearing up the obj lens because I wasn't sure what I should have been looking for in them.

I would love to get a bushnell elite 4200 like what clivej.

dev110

clivej wrote: »

I learnt my leason with zoom when stalking with a friend, the zoom was on x24 and he couldn't find the deer in through the scope, @40y, 'cos it was turned up too high.

Most of the time the scope is on a zoom from 8-12 power.

The objective has a lot to do with what you see actualy in terms of image size. If you divide the zoom by the objective you get the image size that you see.

So a 10x40 scope will give you an image size of 4mm where as a 10x50 scope will give you an image size of 5mm. And with people of an older age the bigger the better as their eye pupil is about 7mm (I stand to be corrected on this)

And as for tube size, 1" against 30mm, all you get is more recitale clicks not more light transfer.

I believe that zoom on a scope is gone mad as of late. When I was looking for my .22lr there was a second hand .22lr with a scope with 6-24x50. What in god's name could you do with that on a .22lr??

I would like a scope with max zoom of around 12-15.

FISMA wrote: »

Dev,
What are your targets? Big targets = small mag, small targets = big mag.

Truth be told, most deer hunters need about 4x mag. With that said, I use a 3-9x40mm.

I am not crazy about big bells. True, they gather more light. However, I am a bit obsessed with trying to get the scope as close to sitting literally on top of the barrel as possible.

Anyhow, we are going to have to find out if this place ships to Eire.

Here is an absolute steal with an illuminated reticle
http://www.opticsplanet.net/burris-35-10x50mm-fullfield-ii-rifle-scope.html

Another great scope
http://www.opticsplanet.net/burris-3-9x40mm-fullfield-ii-rifle-scope.html

Here's one perfect for varmints - ask Kay_9 what he thinks of it
http://www.opticsplanet.net/burris-65-20x50mm-fullfield-ii-rifle-scope.html

Burris is the best scope you're going to find at reasonable prices. These prices look like Tasco, Bushnell, and such. However, the quality is that of the Leupold Vari x II's.

Give serious consideration to the Burris Fullfield II scopes.

Slan.

I do like the burris scopes and people have good reviews for them.
I'm not sure if they do ship to Ireland but if they do I say it would take ages with the waiting for the export licence and then the shipping time.

Ormondprop gave a website in the uk that have them in stock.

fodda

Island Sports Castlebar have a range of Burris scopes in stock.

http://www.islandsports.ie/riflescopes.html

dev110

fodda wrote: »

Island Sports Castlebar have a range of Burris scopes in stock.

http://www.islandsports.ie/riflescopes.html

Thanks but they seem very pricey with their burris scopes

clivej

I see Paul o'hanaran has the bushel banner scopes on offer try giving him a ring.
I had a nikko sterling 8-32x60 on my cz style 22lr first 'cos I wanted the biggest I could get and realised after a while that big is not better. The banner 4-12x40 went on next to be replaced by the bushnell 10x40 3200 elite fixed. That's a great little scope for the 22 for bunny shooting.
The 6-24x50 is good on the 223 for when you really get out past the 200y mark where you need the extra zoom.your more than welcome to see my scopes after all I'm only a drive away.

clivej

Don't forget the second hand Market place. Try e-bay uk and where I got a couple of my scopes from www.airgunbbs.com you will have to sign up but there's always good value to be got from there, the optics for sale section.

FISMA

dev110 wrote: »

Thanks but they seem very pricey with their burris scopes

True, those prices are crazy compared to what they go for in the states.

These scopes are the 30mm ones, which are more expensive. See if there are any 1.'00" or 25.4mm scopes for sale.

Worth an email to OpticsPlanet.

dev110

clivej wrote: »

I see Paul o'hanaran has the bushel banner scopes on offer try giving him a ring.
I had a nikko sterling 8-32x60 on my cz style 22lr first 'cos I wanted the biggest I could get and realised after a while that big is not better. The banner 4-12x40 went on next to be replaced by the bushnell 10x40 3200 elite fixed. That's a great little scope for the 22 for bunny shooting.
The 6-24x50 is good on the 223 for when you really get out past the 200y mark where you need the extra zoom.your more than welcome to see my scopes after all I'm only a drive away.

Have you ever tried the 10x scope on the .223?
Thanks for the invite but your advice is more than enough!

clivej wrote: »

Don't forget the second hand Market place. Try e-bay uk and where I got a couple of my scopes from www.airgunbbs.com you will have to sign up but there's always good value to be got from there, the optics for sale section.

I'm keeping a close eye on the for sale section here and ebay and I will sign up for airgunbbs in a few minutes.

FISMA wrote: »

True, those prices are crazy compared to what they go for in the states.

These scopes are the 30mm ones, which are more expensive. See if there are any 1.'00" or 25.4mm scopes for sale.

Worth an email to OpticsPlanet.

I'll give them an e-mail and see what they say back (Fingers crossed).

clivej

dev110 wrote: »

Have you ever tried the 10x scope on the .223?

I'm keeping a close eye on the for sale section here and ebay and I will sign up for airgunbbs in a few minutes.

I'll give them an e-mail and see what they say back (Fingers crossed).

No never tried it on the 223. That 10x40 was €399 in Duffy's, I got for £120 for airgunbbs.

I see there are a couple of elite 6200 2.4-26 x40 @£;400 as well

dev110

clivej wrote: »

No never tried it on the 223. That 10x40 was €399 in Duffy's, I got for £120 for airgunbbs.

I see there are a couple of elite 6200 2.4-26 x40 @£;400 as well

Thats why I don't want to buy here in Ireland but I'll try my LFD and see what they have before I go over shore.

yubabill

You could do worse than BSA scopes. Decent low light resolution. Also mid-range Leupolds, say VX I shouls be in your price range. Remember to factor in customs etc- chances are you will be asked.
I know BSA were available here until recently in the 300 euro range.
You don't really need more than 6x mag for hunting with the 223, but the versatility of a variable should not be overlooked.;)

Glensman

I seen a second hand Zeiss 8x56 on an english forum a while back for £250. 8x56 is Ideal for a .223.

session savage

FISMA wrote: »

.....

Anyhow, we are going to have to find out if this place ships to Eire.

Here is an absolute steal with an illuminated reticle
http://www.opticsplanet.net/burris-35-10x50mm-fullfield-ii-rifle-scope.html

Another great scope
http://www.opticsplanet.net/burris-3-9x40mm-fullfield-ii-rifle-scope.html

Here's one perfect for varmints - ask Kay_9 what he thinks of it
http://www.opticsplanet.net/burris-65-20x50mm-fullfield-ii-rifle-scope.html

I emailed them and they confirmed they will post here.

dev110

Glensman wrote: »

I seen a second hand Zeiss 8x56 on an english forum a while back for £250. 8x56 is Ideal for a .223.

Do you have a website for the forum?

Also has anyone any experience with Falcon scopes?
Such as this one:
http://www.uttings.co.uk/Product/766/102739/falcon-optics-5-5-25x50-ffp-menace-metric-rifle-scope-m25-50/

dan17

Glensman wrote: »

I seen a second hand Zeiss 8x56 on an english forum a while back for £250. 8x56 is Ideal for a .223.

ill second that. had a s+b 8x56 for years on a .17 ceneterfire..no problem with it to 200yrds and built to last longer than you or me

New_one

Scopes are such a mine field. A got a. Second hand Zeiss. Seems to do the job. I found it so hard to decide

ormondprop

http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread.php?507661-Bushnell-Elite-6500-4.5-30x50-mildot-for-sale
this seems like a bargain for anyone interested

clivej

ormondprop wrote: »

http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread.php?507661-Bushnell-Elite-6500-4.5-30x50-mildot-for-sale
this seems like a bargain for anyone interested

It sold very quickly. You have to keep looking often to get the deals

ormondprop

ya it sold quick after i posted it here, i'm happy with my scopes but i still always find myself having a glance at that forum every now and again, some great bargains to be had, although i don't plan on changing my schmidt any time soon

dev110

I have bitten the bullet and have bought a Burris Fullfield II 6.5-20x50.

One way to make yourself buy a new rifle is get a scope first so then there is no backing out

Going to have a look at rifles today so hoping for the best!!

Again, thanks for all your help and advice.

dev110

Just back from my RFD and have just put down my .22lr and picked up a .223 cz kevlar!

Can't wait for the licence to go through.

Also can I ask what mounts would you recommend?

clivej

dev110 wrote: »

Just back from my RFD and have just put down my .22lr and picked up a .223 cz kevlar!

Can't wait for the licence to go through.

Also can I ask what mounts would you recommend?

Picatinny one piece rail, @$88, and Burris xtreme mounts, @$50, on my CZ 223 varmint with kevlar stock.
I had the millet and son has the warne

dev110

clivej wrote: »

Picatinny one piece rail, @$88, and Burris xtreme mounts, @$50, on my CZ 223 varmint with kevlar stock.
I had the millet and son has the warne

Are you using the 1/2" mounts?
How much clearance did it give with the bolt and scope before the rail?
Also how high of the barrel is the obj lens before the rail?

clivej

dev110 wrote: »

Are you using the 1/2" mounts?
How much clearance did it give with the bolt and scope before the rail?
Also how high of the barrel is the obj lens before the rail?

As you can see the rail and mounts are both picatinny so the mounts won't fit without the rail and you need to get the correct mount, heigth wise, to fit your rifle. The scope I have, as shown, is a bushnell elite 4200 6-24x50

These are 1/2" burris xtreme picatinny mounts on the 20moa rail. 20MOA that means that the rail is made so to point down a little and give me more up elevation clicks on the scope.
I have bulter creek covers on and can not fit a 1/4" drill bit between the front objective with cover and the barrel. I have just got in the Burris xtreme picatinny mounts in 1/4" from the US now and will try to fit them soon.
So I may have to take off the front bulter creek cover to the fit the lower burris xtreme mounts.

Can't say I noticed the bolt lift as it just works as is. I'll look later and get a photo posted up.
And I have to say it's a good system and all is a good tight fit.

I have just got the same ready for my Sako .308 set up but I have yet to fit it all. It is a picatinny two piece rail and the same burris xtreme 1/4" high mounts.

Bolt clearance photo

dev110

clivej wrote: »

As you can see the rail and mounts are both picatinny so the mounts won't fit without the rail and you need to get the correct mount, heigth wise, to fit your rifle. The scope I have, as shown, is a bushnell elite 4200 6-24x50

These are 1/2" burris xtreme picatinny mounts on the 20moa rail. 20MOA that means that the rail is made so to point down a little and give me more up elevation clicks on the scope.
I have bulter creek covers on and can not fit a 1/4" drill bit between the front objective with cover and the barrel. I have just got in the Burris xtreme picatinny mounts in 1/4" from the US now and will try to fit them soon.
So I may have to take off the front bulter creek cover to the fit the lower burris xtreme mounts.

Can't say I noticed the bolt lift as it just works as is. I'll look later and get a photo posted up.
And I have to say it's a good system and all is a good tight fit.

I have just got the same ready for my Sako .308 set up but I have yet to fit it all. It is a picatinny two piece rail and the same burris xtreme 1/4" high mounts.

Bolt clearance photo

Oh I didn't know the mounts didn't work without the rail.

I think when I get the licence I'll just bring the scope up to my local RFD and see what he has. They will do for a little while as I won't be able control myself when the licence comes through

FISMA

Dev,
I am a Burris guy. Just ask Kay_9 how he likes his 6.5 scope. You'll never look back.

In going Weaver/Zee or Pic/XTR, you'll have to trade off.

The Pic/XTR has 6 screws and a lot of surface area - I love that.

However, the Weaver/Zee sits much lower - I like that as well.

I usually get my scope's bell to about 1.00 or 2.00mm off of the barrel.

I want my scopes a close to the barrel as possible so that there's less fiddling that needs to be done on intersection points. The higher the scope is off of the barrel, the more specific the intersection of the scope-bullet will be.

I was just really disappointed when I ordered and XTR setup for my 700 in 223. The scope, same as yours, used to sit 1.0mm off of the barrel, and now it is almost 1.00cm.

dev110

FISMA wrote: »

Dev,
I am a Burris guy. Just ask Kay_9 how he likes his 6.5 scope. You'll never look back.

In going Weaver/Zee or Pic/XTR, you'll have to trade off.

The Pic/XTR has 6 screws and a lot of surface area - I love that.

However, the Weaver/Zee sits much lower - I like that as well.

I usually get my scope's bell to about 1.00 or 2.00mm off of the barrel.

I want my scopes a close to the barrel as possible so that there's less fiddling that needs to be done on intersection points. The higher the scope is off of the barrel, the more specific the intersection of the scope-bullet will be.

I was just really disappointed when I ordered and XTR setup for my 700 in 223. The scope, same as yours, used to sit 1.0mm off of the barrel, and now it is almost 1.00cm.

I think the burris 6.5-20 will serve me well for its choosen targets

I would like to get the scope as close but not touching but I'm afraid of ordering mounts because with the cz .22 the bolt was close to the scope so I think I'll get the RFD to fit the mounts that he has and fit the scope and after that is all done I'll order the picatinny rail and burris mounts to suit.

clivej

dev110 wrote: »

I think the burris 6.5-20 will serve me well for its choosen targets

I would like to get the scope as close but not touching but I'm afraid of ordering mounts because with the cz .22 the bolt was close to the scope so I think I'll get the RFD to fit the mounts that he has and fit the scope and after that is all done I'll order the picatinny rail and burris mounts to suit.

Don't get the Millet mounts for the 16mm dovetail of your CZ 527, just my opinion. If anything and if the dealer is doing the fitting then go with the warne mounts for the 527.

clivej

Here's a better photo of the 20MOA picatinny rail made for the CZ 527 rifles.
A very tight slide on fit and is held in place by 8 grub screws. It will never move.

virminhunter

clivej wrote: »

Here's a better photo of the 20MOA picatinny rail made for the CZ 527 rifles.
A very tight slide on fit and is held in place by 8 grub screws. It will never move.

sorry for butting in, have you any idea where I'd get one of those rails clive? who makes them? I recently bought a new scope and it would save me having to get my rifle drilled and tapped for a rail if I could get one of those, thanks...:)

dev110

virminhunter wrote: »

sorry for butting in, have you any idea where I'd get one of those rails clive? who makes them? I recently bought a new scope and it would save me having to get my rifle drilled and tapped for a rail if I could get one of those, thanks...:)

Don't worry as I was going to ask the same thing

Anywhere in Ireland that can be got for a nice price?

clivej

virminhunter wrote: »

sorry for butting in, have you any idea where I'd get one of those rails clive? who makes them? I recently bought a new scope and it would save me having to get my rifle drilled and tapped for a rail if I could get one of those, thanks...:)

dev110 wrote: »

Don't worry as I was going to ask the same thing

Anywhere in Ireland that can be got for a nice price?

Nearly impposible to get a picatinny rail for the CZ 527 16mm dovetail anywhere, try doing an internet search not many/none out there.

You can get them from DIP ink. but you will have to E-mail them to buy as the option to select to post outside the US is not available.

They do 0 MOA and 20 MOA rails for both the 427 rimfire rifle and the 527 Center fire rifle and lots of other stuff. They will not send trigger parts outside of the US.

Postage is $40 on top.

CZ range of products at DIP ink.
http://www.diproductsinc.com/Products.aspx?CAT=3600

zeissman

I have just got the same ready for my Sako .308 set up but I have yet to fit it all. It is a picatinny two piece rail and the same burris xtreme 1/4" high mounts.

Bolt clearance photo
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Clive. What brand of rail did you get for the sako ? any chance of a pic ?

clivej

zeissman wrote: »

I have just got the same ready for my Sako .308 set up but I have yet to fit it all. It is a picatinny two piece rail and the same burris xtreme 1/4" high mounts.

Bolt clearance photo

Clive. What brand of rail did you get for the sako ? any chance of a pic ?

Got off e bay @£;32.50 but I think all sold now. Try this e bay shop
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Sporting-Supplies-UK-Limited or send them an e-mail

fodda

dev110 wrote: »

I have bitten the bullet and have bought a Burris Fullfield II 6.5-20x50.

One way to make yourself buy a new rifle is get a scope first so then there is no backing out

Going to have a look at rifles today so hoping for the best!!

Again, thanks for all your help and advice.

dev you never said where you ordered the scope from and how much could you let us know or least where you ordered from.

dev110

fodda wrote: »

dev you never said where you ordered the scope from and how much could you let us know or least where you ordered from.

I got it from a boards user. If you look at the for sale section

dev110

Just back from college and my first chance to look at my scope which arrived during the week.

I have to say that you certainly get what you pay for!!
New burris around €700 I bought second hand just over the €300 mark and its so clear. I have never seen glass so clear.

I will never buy cheap optics again but here hoping I wont need to

clivej

dev110 wrote: »

Just back from college and my first chance to look at my scope which arrived during the week.

I have to say that you certainly get what you pay for!!
New burris around €700 I bought second hand just over the €300 mark and its so clear. I have never seen glass so clear.

I will never buy cheap optics again but here hoping I wont need to

That's it - once you have seen the difference you know what the difference is.

Happy hunting.